Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: opethPA
My demarcation on if its a forensic audit or not would be did they follow the laws around such matters and according to what I can read on PA they did.

Wtf are you yammering about now?

There is a definition of 'forensic audit' that has nothing whatsoever to do with your feelz, or ridiculous/fake 'risk limiting' audits that are nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

The FIRST part of that definition is looking at the actual ballots.

Did they find anything yet?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Charliebrowndog
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

A lot of this depends on whether or not the EOs that were signed by Trump towards the end of his Administration are in fact serious and were acted upon.

The E.O.'s won't contain the critical parts of what may be going on, as they cannot be kept secret. However, P.E.A.D.'s can be kept secret, so, if Trump signed any of those, they would contain the more important and interesting stuff.

EOs do not supersede state election laws.

So the online rumors can not be true.

originally posted by: dandandat2
Did they find anything yet?

Release is scheduled for sept 24 at 1 pm AZ time on floor of AZ Senate.

Approved by court today.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
None of them looked at the actual ballots.

Some did pick a few ballots from each precinct to look at though.

NOT an audit.

Just CALLED an audit.

Is this your opinion or do you have facts to back up this claim? To be clear what you are stating is that PA never did the what I list below?

"Pennsylvania has already conducted a so-called risk-limiting audit of the November election, and all counties also audited a sample of their votes as mandated by law. "

www.reuters.com...

So this carrot on a lengthy stick will soon be caught?

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
None of them looked at the actual ballots.

Some did pick a few ballots from each precinct to look at though.

NOT an audit.

Just CALLED an audit.

Is this your opinion or do you have facts to back up this claim? To be clear what you are stating is that PA never did the what I list below?

"Pennsylvania has already conducted a so-called risk-limiting audit of the November election, and all counties also audited a sample of their votes as mandated by law. "

www.reuters.com...

The numbers are in this thread somewhere.


I did not read your link, so don't know about any claim.

States are each CALLING different things audits.

But do not involve looking at the actual ballots.

I think we are up to 3 counties in the entire country that actually looked at the ballots.

2 very small counties, and Maricopa county which is a large one, and is now scheduled to release results next friday as judge ordered today.

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: carewemust
Good Grief. Forensic Audit Report delayed until "Next" Friday.

twitter.com...

"Next" means 9.24.2021 ???

Plenty of time for a major event/catastrophe to steal the show, or totally derail the report's release (again).

This week would have been PERFECT.

grrrr

What in the Tweet you posted makes it delayed vs them stating when they are releasing it?

"BREAKING: In a court hearing in our public records lawsuit just now, the attorney for the Arizona Senate confirmed that the Senate plans to release its Maricopa County “audit” report next Friday."

Here is the post from last week saying the report would be sent to the Senate on Wed or Thurs of the week we're in now.

Link to the post: www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

Why would Democrats want to delay if the audit is a sham, and the results are not to be believed, as they keep saying?

Body blow

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
None of them looked at the actual ballots.

Some did pick a few ballots from each precinct to look at though.

NOT an audit.

Just CALLED an audit.

Is this your opinion or do you have facts to back up this claim? To be clear what you are stating is that PA never did the what I list below?

"Pennsylvania has already conducted a so-called risk-limiting audit of the November election, and all counties also audited a sample of their votes as mandated by law. "

www.reuters.com...

I got bored and looked up one PA source for you.

An official state government source.

Says they looked at 2% of ballots in 'audit' of 63 counties by random selection of specific ballots.

45,000 total ballots for the state.

The other 4 PA counties were unable to locate their randomly selected ballots and opted out of the 'audit' completely.

www.vote.pa.gov...


This source doesn't appear to specify the process used on each ballot (I didn't read the whole thing tonight), but I recall another source at the time specifying that the entire process was to locate the randomly selected ballots and ensure that they matched the dominion record for the same ballots.

Meaning as long as dominion recorded a vote, and the ballot actually exists, then 'audit' is successful.

4 counties couldn't even find their selected ballots.

And enough of the 2% matched the dominion record in the other 63 counties that 'audit' was called a success.

No other ballot investigation.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
2 very small counties, and Maricopa county which is a large one, and is now scheduled to release results next friday as judge ordered today.

That's what has me confused. Why did a judge, on Tuesday, order them to release the results? That was the whole purpose they did the audit in the first place - to release the results. My take was that the Cyber Ninjas said they couldn't release some of the stuff they had because it was sensitive material. And then a judge stepped in and said they had to release it.

But, isn't that the same reason the county hasn't released the routers and passwords yet, even though they were ordered to a couple months ago? Because the county claimed there was sensitive information on them?

That's pretty low to want the Cyber Ninjas to release sensitive information, but not want to do it themselves if that's what's going on.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
2 very small counties, and Maricopa county which is a large one, and is now scheduled to release results next friday as judge ordered today.

That's what has me confused. Why did a judge, on Tuesday, order them to release the results? That was the whole purpose they did the audit in the first place - to release the results. My take was that the Cyber Ninjas said they couldn't release some of the stuff they had because it was sensitive material. And then a judge stepped in and said they had to release it.

But, isn't that the same reason the county hasn't released the routers and passwords yet, even though they were ordered to a couple months ago? Because the county claimed there was sensitive information on them?

That's pretty low to want the Cyber Ninjas to release sensitive information, but not want to do it themselves if that's what's going on.

The judge on tuesday ordered the release of auditor's internal communications and process docs, not the audit results.

The internal communications is is what Ninjas objected to releasing immediately, because they also have many other clients and said it would take more than the 48 hours allowed by the judge to filter out only the audit related communications to & from every staff member for release.

But they did not refuse to do so, as the county has done with routers and passwords.

Ninjas said they could be ready to release their internal communications by next Monday

Judge today ordered the release of both the audit results and the auditor's internal communications and process docs next friday.

And told dem side that no further delays would be considered.

AZ Senate intended to release the results, but not the internal communications today.

The county has still refused to provide routers, passwords, and I think a few other items, after six months.

It sounded like they are all expecting further legal action on those items soon.

But AZ Senate wants the already completed portions of the audit in the public domain before risking another legal battle on those items.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: carewemust
Good Grief. Forensic Audit Report delayed until "Next" Friday.

twitter.com...

"Next" means 9.24.2021 ???

Plenty of time for a major event/catastrophe to steal the show, or totally derail the report's release (again).

This week would have been PERFECT.

grrrr

What in the Tweet you posted makes it delayed vs them stating when they are releasing it?

"BREAKING: In a court hearing in our public records lawsuit just now, the attorney for the Arizona Senate confirmed that the Senate plans to release its Maricopa County “audit” report next Friday."

I didn't read the tweet, but am listening to buffered recording of today's hearing.

Which just recently ended.

AZ Senate planned on releasing today.

AZ Dems with DOJ officials recently flown in at their side, demanded indefinite delay.

Judge agreed to 8 day delay.

And said that no further delays would be considered.

Thankyou for a high-level summary of what transpired yesterday. Sounds like a (rare) REASONABLE judge.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
2 very small counties, and Maricopa county which is a large one, and is now scheduled to release results next friday as judge ordered today.

That's what has me confused. Why did a judge, on Tuesday, order them to release the results? That was the whole purpose they did the audit in the first place - to release the results. My take was that the Cyber Ninjas said they couldn't release some of the stuff they had because it was sensitive material. And then a judge stepped in and said they had to release it.

But, isn't that the same reason the county hasn't released the routers and passwords yet, even though they were ordered to a couple months ago? Because the county claimed there was sensitive information on them?

That's pretty low to want the Cyber Ninjas to release sensitive information, but not want to do it themselves if that's what's going on.

The judge on tuesday ordered the release of auditor's internal communications and process docs, not the audit results.

The internal communications is is what Ninjas objected to releasing immediately, because they also have many other clients and said it would take more than the 48 hours allowed by the judge to filter out only the audit related communications to & from every staff member for release.

But they did not refuse to do so, as the county has done with routers and passwords.

Ninjas said they could be ready to release their internal communications by next Monday

Judge today ordered the release of both the audit results and the auditor's internal communications and process docs next friday.

And told dem side that no further delays would be considered.

AZ Senate intended to release the results, but not the internal communications today.

The county has still refused to provide routers, passwords, and I think a few other items, after six months.

It sounded like they are all expecting further legal action on those items soon.

But AZ Senate wants the already completed portions of the audit in the public domain before risking another legal battle on those items.

Ah, thanks for that explanation. I was mixing up two different, but related items. I've been out of town working for a few days and wasn't able to keep up with this thread like usual.

This part has me wondering something, though:
"And told dem side that no further delays would be considered."

When the judge said that, does he have the authority and the power to say that it does apply to everybody, even the federal Department of Justice?

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: carewemust
Good Grief. Forensic Audit Report delayed until "Next" Friday.

twitter.com...

"Next" means 9.24.2021 ???

Plenty of time for a major event/catastrophe to steal the show, or totally derail the report's release (again).

This week would have been PERFECT.

grrrr

What in the Tweet you posted makes it delayed vs them stating when they are releasing it?

"BREAKING: In a court hearing in our public records lawsuit just now, the attorney for the Arizona Senate confirmed that the Senate plans to release its Maricopa County “audit” report next Friday."

I didn't read the tweet, but am listening to buffered recording of today's hearing.

Which just recently ended.

AZ Senate planned on releasing today.

AZ Dems with DOJ officials recently flown in at their side, demanded indefinite delay.

Judge agreed to 8 day delay.

And said that no further delays would be considered.

Thankyou for a high-level summary of what transpired yesterday. Sounds like a (rare) REASONABLE judge.

His bio indicates that he went to college @ Champaign-Urbana and UW Madison, and is roughly our age.

(Your neck of the woods)

Sounded like a guy I'd like to meet someday.

Bio also said he is a criminal court judge, but case number given to me indicates civil case.

Has me wondering if there isn't even more going on.

Or maybe just covering for another judge with covid or something?

I have no idea what cased the sudden judge change.

Don't recall this judge ever being involved in audit cases before.

Still trying to find more info.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
2 very small counties, and Maricopa county which is a large one, and is now scheduled to release results next friday as judge ordered today.

That's what has me confused. Why did a judge, on Tuesday, order them to release the results? That was the whole purpose they did the audit in the first place - to release the results. My take was that the Cyber Ninjas said they couldn't release some of the stuff they had because it was sensitive material. And then a judge stepped in and said they had to release it.

But, isn't that the same reason the county hasn't released the routers and passwords yet, even though they were ordered to a couple months ago? Because the county claimed there was sensitive information on them?

That's pretty low to want the Cyber Ninjas to release sensitive information, but not want to do it themselves if that's what's going on.

The judge on tuesday ordered the release of auditor's internal communications and process docs, not the audit results.

The internal communications is is what Ninjas objected to releasing immediately, because they also have many other clients and said it would take more than the 48 hours allowed by the judge to filter out only the audit related communications to & from every staff member for release.

But they did not refuse to do so, as the county has done with routers and passwords.

Ninjas said they could be ready to release their internal communications by next Monday

Judge today ordered the release of both the audit results and the auditor's internal communications and process docs next friday.

And told dem side that no further delays would be considered.

AZ Senate intended to release the results, but not the internal communications today.

The county has still refused to provide routers, passwords, and I think a few other items, after six months.

It sounded like they are all expecting further legal action on those items soon.

But AZ Senate wants the already completed portions of the audit in the public domain before risking another legal battle on those items.

Ah, thanks for that explanation. I was mixing up two different, but related items. I've been out of town working for a few days and wasn't able to keep up with this thread like usual.

This part has me wondering something, though:
"And told dem side that no further delays would be considered."

When the judge said that, does he have the authority and the power to say that it does apply to everybody, even the federal Department of Justice?

You aren't the only one a little confused by this week's actions.

Am still trying to figure out several things myself.



I have no idea what authority this judge has, or even why the hearing was in front of this CRIMINAL COURT judge in the first place.

Or how what looks like 3 completely different cases seemed to have been combined in some way today.

Wish we we still had the free press that was once the envy of the world so we didn't have to do their job on our own.

Here's a bit more detail regarding where things stood with the Forensic Audit Report and release of supporting documents, as of the close-of-business yesterday (Thursday).

As of 5pm on 9.16.2021: www.azcentral.com...

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

This thread's creator, BOADICEA, said last week (in this thread) that at least one "criminal referral" will be made as a result of forensic audit findings. I think she was quoting what an AZ Senator leaked.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

This thread's creator, BOADICEA, said last week (in this thread) that at least one "criminal referral" will be made as a result of forensic audit findings. I think she was quoting what an AZ Senator leaked.

I 'smell' more here too, but don't know what it is.

Those two local papers we linked to are pretty far left, and have been 100% audit bashers since day 1.

Fabricating stories that got repeated nationwide for 6 months (AZCentral).

I think AZCentral is owned by USA today, but not certain.

Must have been a gut punch for them to write what they did today.

Still shilling for Democrats, but these are the first articles from them that didn't outright bash the audit with barrages of opinions & misinformation in every paragraph.

I think the papers know more than we do at this point.

Whatever that is, it seems to have caused them to do almost 180 today.


That and the criminal court judge both have my spidey senses tingling again.

a reply to: Nunyabizisit

All of MSM and the Political world knows when Judges speak, the order cannot be ignored. That's why AZCentral had to write about Thursday's hearing without any lies or deceptions.

If a Judge were to order Phoenix (Maricopa) County Officials to release the Wi-Fi hardware to the auditing teams, the county would have to do so before the deadline.

As it stands, the subpoena/order came from the Arizona Senate. Entities ignore subpoenas from legislative bodies all the time, without repercussions.

Try that with a Judge, or a Prosecutor, and you might as well start planning for being away from your family for a couple of years.