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What happened in Michigan and Wisconsin?

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posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 08:13 AM
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I'm sure most people have seen these charts floating around by now and they show Biden got a sudden increase of votes in both Wisconsin and Michigan. In this thread I want to look at the MSM explanations for these jumps and determine whether any sort of fraud may have occurred. The two states Biden needed to reach exactly 270 were flipped early in the morning even though everyone was led to believe vote counting had stopped and would resume later in the day. It was later revealed by the media they had stayed up all night counting absentee ballots.

In Michigan they claim the sudden influx of Biden votes were the result of a typo, they had accidentally put an extra zero on the end so that 15K votes became 150K votes. Rather than thank any of the people who originally pointed out this "typo", they acted as if they were sharing fake news and censored Trump for asking what it was about.


As election results poured in early Nov. 4, conservative accounts on social media heavily pushed a faulty claim that a large “trove” of ballots in Michigan was “found” and that they all went to former Vice President Joe Biden.

But in reality, the numbers cited were the result of a typo that was made by a Michigan county as it reported unofficial results. It was quickly corrected.
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The underlying claim amplified by Trump came from a GOP consultant, Matt Mackowiack, who shared screenshots of an interactive map of election results in Michigan depicting Biden climbing nearly 140,000 votes while Trump and others remain stagnant. The map, which appears on BuzzFeed News, is powered by the election data-gathering firm Decision Desk HQ.

Clerical Error Prompts Unfounded Claims About Michigan Results


The sudden spike in Wisconsin which was also around 150K votes is supposedly a completely natural and expected event according to the MSM. Biden simply got nearly 90% of all the absentee votes and since they count them all before adding it to the total it appears as a vertical rise. If you believe Biden got that many votes I guess it makes sense.


The increase in the chart simply shows when the City of Milwaukee reported its absentee ballot results. We knew well before the election that Democrats were much more likely than Republicans to vote absentee, that it takes longer to count such ballots, and that Milwaukee is a Democratic stronghold.

"We are not finding ballots," Julietta Henry, director of elections for Milwaukee County, told PolitiFact. "Ballots are being counted."

Democratic nominee Joe Biden passed Trump in Wisconsin about 3:30 a.m. on Nov. 4 because the City of Milwaukee reported its 170,000 absentee votes all at the same time. The votes were reported together because Milwaukee and 38 other communities used a central count location.

Fact check: That spike in the Wisconsin vote tally was expected and legitimate, not fraud


It would certainly be more suspicious if Michigan and Wisconsin made the exact same error around the same time. So Wisconsin has to stick to their guns and say it's legitimate, but is there any proof of that? Another important question we need to ask: what happens to the results in Michigan if the typo is ignored, how did Biden still win?


"And these batches were NOT 100% Biden votes," a FiveThirtyEight spokesperson. "Behind the blue line, there is also a red line representing thousands of votes Trump gained. There are also counter examples where Trump’s line shoots up suddenly when a favorable batch of results are reported."

No, these FiveThirtyEight graphs don’t prove voter fraud


This claim is true, 90% is less than 100%. Even if most of the votes go to Biden there should still be a small spike on the red line. We can see that occurred in Wisconsin but it's slightly difficult to see since the lines are overlapping. If we zoom in on the curve it's a bit easier to see both lines jumped up and put them almost at the same number of votes:



However if we zoom in on the Michigan curves we can see Biden got virtually 100% of the votes, so it was essentially impossible for them to claim this was anything but a typo. But I wanted more recent data so I could see if they had really removed this error considering Biden still managed to win by a reasonably large margin.



I did some brief searches but I couldn't seem to find any newer data to determine what happened in Michigan but I did come across a post from that1lurker which contains what appears to be a graph showing how Biden took the lead. The typo still appears to be counted in the final result assuming this graph is correct:



I'm assuming it is correct because at no point did I see Michigan flip back to Trump and it shows Biden taking a lead which is about the same size as the lead he has according to official election results. What I decided to do was remake the above graph without the typo by shifting down the blue curve so it aligns more naturally:



Maybe it's just me but that certainly looks a lot more realistic and makes it a much closer race. If this is the actual result it means no one has really accounted for the typo error. The ironic thing is Biden still manages to win by just a few thousand votes even if you subtract the 138K false votes he got from the typo.

What I would really like to know is why every other state reached a conclusion so quickly but these few remaining states are still able to find enough ballots to dramatically alter the results. Georgia had an early morning flip a few hours ago with 99% of the votes counted, giving Biden just enough votes to squeak into the lead. Pennsylvania just flipped too.

Lets also keep in mind that Trump fully predicted events would unfold like this even though it seemed like he had a clear path to victory. Here's a post I made in response to a person asking whether or not Trump had won the election. Trump made those statements only an hour or two before Michigan and Wisconsin suddenly flipped.


originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
Well just look at the numbers for the remaining states... the path to a Biden victory is very improbable at this moment in time. From what I gather Trump is upset at the way they haven't called certain states despite the result being obvious, and he's worried they'll suddenly "find" a bunch of ballots which shift the result at the last minute. If the situation were reversed they would have called the win for Biden. But unfortunately Trump never gets a level playing field and by claiming fraud he has probably only made the situation worse for himself.

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posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 08:25 AM
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They cheated



posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: MRinder
Nobody likes to read a wall of text using specialist terminology.



posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 08:31 AM
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posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 08:34 AM
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They're saying that all of the mail in votes went to Biden. Not sure if I believe it, because there is got to be some independents who picked Trump but mailed them in out of convenience. So it does look suspicious. Not sure if there's anything Trump can do about it, though. I'm sure, if its fraud, than they covered there tracks, so 🤷‍♀️. Election fraud happens every year.



posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: AnonymousNutjob
Well, I know for a fact that not all mail in were for Biden, as I know a few people who voted that way, do to being elderly. They are pissed, as well as everyone should be.

We cannot allow this to go on. We have to fix the system. We don't need this crap going on after every future election. It was just brought to a head this time, because both sides are so polarized.


And yeah, we got screwed here in MI.
I was glad to see John James is now questioning the results in his race too.



posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 08:48 AM
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a reply to: AnonymousNutjob


Not sure if there's anything Trump can do about it, though. I'm sure, if its fraud, than they covered there tracks, so 🤷‍♀️.

You're probably correct unfortunately, a recount may not even be able to catch all the fake votes. And the left certainly isn't going to agree to redoing an entire election they have almost won and probably will win. The only real way Trump can win now is through legal challenges and exposing the fraud which has obviously occurred.



posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 08:56 AM
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Also the full image posted by that1lurker is quite interesting because it suggests at some point the system switched Trump votes with Biden votes:



posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder
This is all very interesting to me (being a data guy by trade). What would really set off alarm bells is if you see the same trend in some of these later states that have just flipped i.e. Georgia and Pennsylvania. If we see the same anomaly then in my opinion this can't really be a clerical "error".



posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
Also the full image posted by that1lurker is quite interesting because it suggests at some point the system switched Trump votes with Biden votes:


"the system"...

i would laugh if it wasn't so serious.

motherf..kers should hang.



posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: chiefsmom

Your supposed to be able to go online and look to see if your vote counted. If theirs didn't, than you have a case. They definitely need to fix the system. It shouldn't be so hard to keep track of things. But if Dems take everything than they won't fix it.



posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: AnonymousNutjob
They're saying that all of the mail in votes went to Biden. Not sure if I believe it, because there is got to be some independents who picked Trump but mailed them in out of convenience. So it does look suspicious. Not sure if there's anything Trump can do about it, though. I'm sure, if its fraud, than they covered there tracks, so 🤷‍♀️. Election fraud happens every year.


Yea, they are trying to make the claim that because Trump stated to not use the mail-in ballots and to vote in person, that we all listened to Trump and were like "ok leader, we will do as you say!"... I voted for trump, by mail... im sure MANY others did too.. so, for the media/left politicians to make the assumption that because Trump said to vote on day of vs mail in, that we all just listened to him, making the 100% bidens mail in vote legitimate... its a reckless claim to make to justify statistical impossibilities...We know Trump supporters mailed in ballots.. Im one of them.. Who's to stay some of those other millions of mail in votes werent others like me?
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posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 09:47 AM
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Thinking about this a bit more, what it looks like to me is they were forced to keep the "typo" because it was the only way to grind their way up to the red line. Once they had reached the point where the vote counts were about the same they could flip some switch so that Biden votes were counted as Trump votes and vice versa, without it looking completely obvious. Might be a bit of a reach but a simpler explanation escapes me...
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posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 04:15 PM
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As a 'non american wouldn't vote for either of these muppets' kind of guy, I am actually really bummed that so many lefties left this site because I would really like to hear their explanations for what's happened here. Because it looks very unusual and doesn't bode well for a peaceful next 4 years in the US.
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posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 04:28 PM
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Got into several arguments with left leaning friends and family, they really are around the bend.

I made certain they knew I didnt vote trump then say because of the perception of shady things we need a clear and transparent recount and investigation.

Everyone imediatly went into a it wont change the outcome just accept cheeto is gone, I countered its not about him its about ensuring trust in the process and healing the divide. They went with it would be a waste of money (yet they had no problem with millions for jfk performing arts), I asked if they were high because there is precious little in the country worth more than trusting in a free and fair election.

I do not understand how anyone can be against it considering the mistrust and lies and name calling over the last 4 years, do the investigation and recount and clean the slate for the next 4 years.

We have wasted far more money than that would cost on far worse projects.



posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: MRinder
They cheated


Michigan GOP chairwoman confirms huge irregularities due to software issues.

mobile.twitter.com...

No wonder President Trump's large lead evaporated at 4 a.m. on Election night!



posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 05:28 PM
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Is there numbers graphs charts like that for virginia, because at the end it looked like trump/bidden votes swapped as well......



posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 06:40 PM
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When I lived/stationed in Michigan it was the most corrupt place I could imagine. I remember meeting the Mayor of Detroit once, Dennis Archer, when we blew up the Hudsons building (which BTW took out the Detroit People Mover train for 9 months). It was private party, on a building rooftop (members only kind of stuff). I asked him about Kwame Kilpatrick who looked to be the incoming Mayor. "No Comment!"

Now, many may remember Gil Hill, the police chief in the movie Beverly Hills Cop. He was a real cop in Detroit. Well, I met him too, and he's just as salty as the rest of the crooks! His statements..."Hey man, who the F# are YOU??? I don't owe you Nuthin!! Get outta' my face, boy!!"

But Dennis Archer was cool, and told the goons to back off. Only bad press could come from rough treatment on me or anyone else, and Archer knew it. It was funny, Dennis Archer answered my questions, and he was very pleasant, BUT when it was over...several DPD officer's came over and warned me if I asked any more questions they would "bust my head".

Archer turned out to be a crook just like the rest, but not more than Kwame did! He made Coleman Young look like a rookie!! And he was PROUD of it!

I don't think Gil Hill was on the DPD police force when I ran into him, I think he was on a private security detail, but still...it's interesting so see politics in action, up close and personal!!

Gill Hill was a tough guy.



posted on Nov, 6 2020 @ 07:05 PM
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A couple of interesting things I heard yesterday and today. There's a couple that used to live in Wauwatosa and moved to Minnesota. Their today ballots were forwarded to MN. They checked ballot status after the election and it showed both voted. This was on a local talk radio show.

Today Rush Limbaugh said that Biden underperformed Hillary with minorities nationwide except for 4 cities. Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta, and Philadelphia. Heck of a coincidence.

Another strange one in Milwaukee, the county clerk was pushing using indefinitely confined to their homes due to the covid shutdown. Indefinitely confined to your home is the way out of voter id requirements. This is normally a small number, this year it was over 250k.

Too many coincidences for my liking. It looks to me like covid was the perfect setup to steal an election. The hard part is proving it. You can find one here and there however nobody wants to allow a full audit of a city or state.



posted on Jan, 14 2022 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: MRinder
They cheated


Michigan GOP chairwoman confirms huge irregularities due to software issues.

mobile.twitter.com...

No wonder President Trump's large lead evaporated at 4 a.m. on Election night!


January 2022 Update

Verifying the "When Google search buries it, it's true." principle.

Wisconsin: Detailed ballot-level investigation completed in December 2021. Tens of thousands of illegal ballots. (Biden won Wi by just 23,000)

Source: www.lifesitenews.com...

Google hides/buries articles with the findings of the above ballot-level audit, and replaces it with the findings of the (corrupted) Wisconsin Election Commission, who published essentially the same report in December 2021, as in January 2021, knowing the world's #1 search engine, and 90% of the MSM, would pick up on their re-release, and treat it like it's new...thereby swamping the significant revelations from the ballot-level audit.

But the people of Wisconsin and authorities with more power than the W.E.C. will win the day, because they're pressing forward.

Two minions caught lying...and a judge just approved interviewing the #1 Wi Election official.

Story: www.newsweek.com... (Found using Duck Duck Go)


Pertinent REMINDER:

Oct 2020: "We have created the most extensive election fraud organization in history."

Oct 2020: "I don't need your vote to be elected. But I will need your support when I'm President."

--Overly confident, arrogant candidate, JOSEPH R. BIDEN, Jr.



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