Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!

a reply to: turbonium1

I have no intention of demonstrating that the horizon is at eye level in a plane, because it isn't - it's just a tedious catchphrase trotted out by flat earthers who don't think in three dimensions.

At high altitude it is just far away, therefore the gap beteeen ground and eye level appears small. You know, vanishing point and perspective.

a reply to: turbonium1

Objects made of wood do attract each other, but as they have less mass than metal it is more difficult to measure. What matters is mass, not material, that's why dense, heavy materials are used. Mount Schiehallion is not made of metal.

The fact is that this has been experimentally proven. It's up to you to prove it wrong, not me.

Trust me, I'm not the one looking foolish here.

a reply to: turbonium1



originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

You

There's NO 'pulling down force', as I've told you many times now.

Hooke’s law proved you wrong.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Hello Turbo.

You

I've not looked into the theory I mentioned in depth, but hope to soon, among other theories as well.

It’s not theory how a hanging spring scale works.



It literally falls under Hooke’s law

Hooke's Law

brilliant.org...

How can Hooke's law be used to determine the mass of an object?
Given a Hookean spring of spring constant
k
k, fix one end of the spring to the ceiling and the other end to the object. In equilibrium, the spring force will balance the downward force of gravity on the object, which allows computation of the mass
m
m from the displacement
x
x of the spring.

Gravity exerts a force Fg=mg downward proportional to the mass m.

m of the object, which is perfectly matched by the spring force
Fs =−kx in equilibrium, where the negative sign indicates that the spring force acts in the opposite direction. The mass is obtained by setting these forces equal:

m= kx/g . □
​

If there is no gravitational force, then what makes the spring in a hanging spring scale extend when a weight is placed on it? And what is going on to give an accurate weight.

You

The MASS of the object makes it drop downward,

If there is no gravity, why can’t you hang a mass from a hanging spring scale and make the mass go up and compress the spring?

a reply to: turbonium1

Thumbs up to box of rain




originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

And the argument is more than just tides…

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Answer the question turbo

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

You

But that wouldn't work, because they'd also have to explain why the waters of Earth don't spill off it's edges.

Funny? If the earth is “flat”, what causes tides.

And not only tides. What causes rivers to have water flow backwards from the ocean up the river in ten foot waves. A think called a tidal bore?

Bird Point Bore Tide Table | Beluga Point Bore Tide Table

The bore tide is a spectacular sight, a wave up to 10 feet high, that thunders into Turnagain Arm just south of Anchorage in the right tide conditions. You can easily see this dramatic show of nature’s power from the Seward Highway using our guidelines below.

What Are Bore Tides?
The bore tide is a rush of seawater that returns to a shallow and narrowing inlet from a broad bay. Bore tides come in after extreme minus low tides created by the full or new moon.

Bore tides occur all over the world—there are around 60 of them—but only a few are large enough to make a name for themselves. One in China, for example, stretches almost 30 feet tall and travels more than 20 miles per hour. Alaska’s most famous bore tide occurs in Turnagain Arm, just outside Anchorage. It builds up to 6 – 10 feet tall and can reach speeds of 10 to 15 miles per hour. It takes not just a low tide but also about a 27-foot tidal differential (between high and low tide) for a bore to form in Turnagain Arm.

www.alaska.org...

You also have to address tidal bores, and why the tide causes some rivers to get a wave of water that flows upstream at predictable time intervals that corresponds to the moon’s movements.

And why places on earth can have changes in sea level as high as 10 or twenty feet between low and high tide.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

Objects made of wood do attract each other, but as they have less mass than metal it is more difficult to measure.

Nice excuse, but it won't work.

Just use larger objects of wood, which match those used in your 'experiment' with metal objects, and see if they attract to one another or not, that's all it takes.

It's just as easy to measure wooden objects as it is metal objects, so don't be ridiculous.

Wooden objects do NOT attract to one another, proving 'gravity' is BS, beyond any doubt.

originally posted by: neutronflux
If there is no gravitational force, then what makes the spring in a hanging spring scale extend when a weight is placed on it? And what is going on to give an accurate weight.


If there is no gravity, why can’t you hang a mass from a hanging spring scale and make the mass go up and compress the spring?

I've explained this to you repeatedly, and you still have no clue about it!

Objects have more mass and density than air, right?

What is above the Earth? Air, right?

So when objects are in air, they fall THROUGH air, due to their greater mass and density, right? They are NOT 'pulled down' from air, their mass makes them FALL through air, that's all that happens here.


Why would you believe objects with more mass and density than air, would ever rise UP, within a medium of far less mass and density? How does that make any sense? It's absurd.


Objects suspended by a spring, are still within air, right?. So their MASS and density are greater than the springs used in your examples, so they drop down, and extend/stretch out the spring, as a result.

Same as when objects fall through air, it is due to their greater mass and density, nothing 'pulls them down' from below, same as nothing 'pulls them down' from air, either!

Once again, if objects were attracted to one another by 'gravity', we'd easily prove it, by suspending two NON-METALLIC objects near each other, with one of greater mass than the other one, but they do NOT attract to one another by a magical fantasy 'force', invented to support the ball Earth fairy tale story.

Your claim is that objects attract to one another, by 'gravity'. Objects of greater mass have more 'gravitational force' than objects of lesser mass, and are 'pulled' towards them. Except they are NOT 'pulled by gravity', which doesn't exist in the first place. Simply try and replicate YOUR SIDE'S 'experiment' that used metal objects, with wooden objects of equal mass, or greater mass, if you prefer, and suspend them from one another at the same distance in YOUR SIDE'S 'experiment.....


Even YOU know that they'd NEVER attract to one another, that's why you won't try it, because it would prove you wrong. Stop making up lame excuses about it being 'so difficult to measure wooden objects', it's nonsense.

Not (yet) gonna get an agreement from 'globies'. Powerful control behind this, obviously.

They don't want to even consider what this would mean.

Not religion.

That you are on a level plane, observed by....who/what?

Scary!

a reply to: turbonium1

Nah. Saying it don't make it so.

As for the word salad you posted to neutronflux, the air above us is less dense then air below us. Why do objects not move upwards through the less dense stuff. Why always to the ground? Why, when you put objects on a set of scales on the ground, even if the scales are more dense and have more mass than the object, does it register the object having weight? What is giving mass weight? Why do planes have to spend so much fuel to get off the ground? Finally, and most importantly, where is your evidence?

a reply to: turbonium1

And also: stop deflecting. Deal with what you have been given instead of trying to move the goalposts and gatekeep the 'debate'. Again.

Gravitational attraction has been proven many times. Deal with those actual proofs, not other proofs you've decided are more important.

a reply to: turbonium1

You could use wood if you like it doesnt make a diference. When I was in highschool I used baseballs.

a reply to: turbonium1
Why don't you do the experiment and prove that it fails?

You offer nothing in the way of actual proof.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

Nah. Saying it don't make it so.

As for the word salad you posted to neutronflux, the air above us is less dense then air below us. Why do objects not move upwards through the less dense stuff. Why always to the ground?

Because God made Earth to hold all objects, and to hold all life on Earth, not float above it, that's why objects, or humans, fall to Earth from the air above Earth. Why would God want all objects, all life, to float or rise up in air? That would be really stupid, wouldn't it? Sure, so why would God ever create Earth that way? How would YOU design Earth, that objects and all life should float in air, or rise up in air, because it's less dense than the air below is? We should rise into air, from the surface, because it's less dense than the surface is? And that we should keep on rising up, into less dense air, and so on?

No, you believe God created Earth as a ball, speeding at random through 'space', where giant meteors might smash Earth like a little bug, or maybe nothing happens to Earth, God rolls Earth out to an 'endless universe, like dice on a craps table, right?


Arguing that objects should rise up in air, because they seek less density, is small potatoes compared to what your Earth looks like! Neither one is true, but yours is pure hell compared to one where we all float around in air, or rise up in air, or whatever you think it should be like!


It's very simple - all life, all objects, were created to live ON the Earth, not within the air above the Earth, which would then have no purpose at all, if all things were floating above the Earth, in air, seeking less dense air for some weird reason!

Objects don't seek out less dense air, when in the air, they just fall through air, down to the Earth, where they originate from, and fall through air to the Earth, once again.

originally posted by: turbonium1
Why would God want all objects, all life, to float or rise up in air? That would be really stupid, wouldn't it?

Not necessarily, all kinds of life floats in the oceans. That is proof that it is not out of the question.

a reply to: turbonium1

You

Objects have more mass and density than air, right?

Sigh. Your ignoring the spring scale and hooks law.



You keep going on about density. And objects stop “falling” when they hit something of mass and density.

I could have a really long steel spring in a spring scale weighing 50 lbs that was thin making it sensitive to the forces acting on it. From the hook of that spring I could hang 30 pounds of foam with less density than the 50 pound steel spring. In your model the foam would not “fall” because it already is “hanging” from a solid object more dense.

In the real world. The force of gravity is acting on the foam and will pull down and extend the length of the spring.

It’s even mathematically defined.

A spring scale or spring balance or newton meter is a type of mechanical force gauge or weighing scale. It consists of a spring fixed at one end with a hook to attach an object at the other. It works by Hooke's Law, which states that the force needed to extend a spring is proportional to the distance that spring is extended from its rest position. Therefore, the scale markings on the spring balance are equally spaced.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

For measuring weight, why does the spring scale always measure by a hanging weight? There air above the spring scale, why can’t the measuring load “fall” up.

a reply to: turbonium1

You

So when objects are in air, they fall THROUGH air, due to their greater mass and density, right? They are NOT 'pulled down' from air, their mass makes them FALL through air, that's all that happens here.

There is air above an object. Why don’t objects “fall” up?

If there is no downward force, then objects should fall in random directions. But objects are attracted to the center of the earth by a force called gravity.

a reply to: turbonium1

And you model doesn’t explain tides nor tidal bores. Gravity does. And has a defined value that makes modeling of the physically world possible. A practical and demonstrably proof of gravity.

Here's a simple experiment you can perform yourself if health and safety legislation wasn't so damned restrictive nowadays - I did it when I was a schoolkid. they didn't care if we got poisoned in those days: making a barometer with mercury.



What makes the mercury rise? Atmospheric pressure. What makies the atmosphere push downwards? Gravity. CAn't be density, look how much more dense mercury is compared with air. The air at high altitude pushing down on teh air at lower altitude is much less dense. What does it is gravity.

Same goes here:



The main thing stopping the water falling out is air pressure. The air is not as dense as the water. Why does it have enough pressure to hold the water in the glass? Gravity.

These are simple experiments that schoolchildren do.

Turbo will never offer anything in the way of proof. Never. We all know this. He will lie, deflect and pretend to misunderstand everything.
Why are we still surprised by this?

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: turbonium1
Why would God want all objects, all life, to float or rise up in air? That would be really stupid, wouldn't it?

Not necessarily, all kinds of life floats in the oceans. That is proof that it is not out of the question.

That is life within water, not life 'floating' on water, OR in air! Very different than what you're trying to claim here!

All life originates on Earth, either on land, or in water OF the Earth. No life originates anywhere else, BUT land or water of Earth. Life on land must breathe air to exist, life within the oceans must 'breathe' water to exist. Only a few species use both water and air to exist, which are amphibians, like frogs, for example. Frogs breathe water and air, but they can only breathe water for a few hours at a time, and must then breathe air again. The air dries their skin out, so water is also a necessity for them, too.

But NO life originates within the air. Birds use their wings to fly in air, planes use wings and engines to fly in air, but both originate on the surface of Earth, and always return to the surface, afterwards. The only reason objects, or birds, or planes, are in the air to begin with, is from an external force that drives them upward from the surface, into the air. The only reason a brick is in the air, is from being thrown upward, by your arm acting as an external force on that brick.

The external force makes it go into air, but it dissipates, and dies out, soon afterwards, and without a force acting on the brick anymore, it falls through air, down to the surface again. Nothing 'pulls it down' from air to the surface, it's greater mass and density than air's, makes it fall through the air, to the surface, which has more mass and density than the brick's, so it stops falling, when it hits the surface.


God created life to exist on the Earth, and within Earth's waters, NOT within the air ABOVE Earth. While life CAN exist within air, they all originate on Earth, and return to Earth from air, whether by controlled descent, or freefall.

There's no reason objects or life would 'float' around in air, or rise up in air, FROM the air, when nothing originates in air, except the heavenly bodies, of course, which rotate above Earth, as God created them that way, as He created life and objects to exist ON Earth, or within Earth's waters.

What does it feel like when someone 'pulls' you backwards, for example? You certainly feel yourself being 'pulled' by an external force acting on you, right? But when you jump out of a plane in air, skydiving, you do not feel yourself being pulled downward by an external force below you, from the Earth. You feel the air resisting your fall downward to Earth, however! Why would you feel air holding you up, but not a 'downward pull from air', by some magical force within Earth, called 'gravity'? This air resistance does not hold us up within air, but we feel it hold us up, during a fall from air. How could we not feel ourselves being PULLED DOWN TO EARTH from air, yet feel ourselves being held up BY the air?

Because air resistance DOES hold us up, and we feel it hold us up in air. No 'pull' is felt from the Earth below on us, because there IS no 'pull' on us from Earth, since there is no magical 'pulling force' which exists on, or in, the Earth.


Simple as that.

a reply to: turbonium1
Ooh, another wall of garbage.

C'mon Turbo, answer some of the questions that have been repeatedly asked of you.
Where are the pictures of the largest structure on Earth that stops the water falling off the edge?
Oh, that's right it doesn't exist.
Why can I fly a plane from New York, on a dead set East bearing, passing over Europe and eventually returning back in New York?

You can't do it in your imaginary world because I should have crashed into your non-existant ice wall or smashed into your imaginary firmament.

Stop with all the deflection and give a straight answer to the questions that have been asked of you.

Won't hold my breath.