Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!

originally posted by: turbonium1
What sort of 'concept' is there for them to 'understand' about this?

Obviously, one you can't grasp.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: turbonium1
A horizon seen at 20,000 feet, for example, is directly across from us, in the plane, same as on the ground, or any altitude above the ground, that's an absolute fact.

On a flat earth the horizon would not be directly across from us at 20K feet, it would be below us, on that lower plane. Directly across from us should be just sky or maybe space.

Like I said, there are things you just can't grasp.

Why would you believe a horizon would be lower than a plane at 20,000 feet, above the flat Earth? It wouldn't, and isn't, lower than us, when flying at high altitude. Because the Earth is a massive plain, those altitudes only allow for a fraction of the whole surface of Earth itself.


Flights may reach over 50,000 feet, or more, but the horizon is still across from us, same as always. The horizons may be hundreds of miles away, at such altitudes, but the Earth is thousands of miles in area, it's impossible to ever see a horizon lower than any airplane.


Look at images of horizons from planes, at such altitudes, which aren't edited, or using special lenses, or better yet, if you are in the plane at the time, seeing a horizon out of your window.

What you'll notice is that the horizon is at the middle of your window, which means it is about the same height as you are, or the plane you're in is, and always is the same height as you are at, higher or lower above Earth, or on the surface itself.

When in an air balloon, it's the same thing. The higher you rise up, the surface seems to 'rise' with you, at the same time, same height.

That's why we know, or should know, that the Earth is flat, and cannot be a ball. Because if we were on a ball, we'd be on the TOP of it, on the ground, and the horizon is at it's highest point on the ground, as well. When rising above a ball, the horizon will curve DOWNWARD, lower and lower.

Think about being above a ball, and where the horizon would be, at the time. Why would a horizon rise on a ball, when it is already at it's highest point, on the surface? You are on top of the ball, and the horizon is the highest point on that ball which you can see in the distance. When you rise above the ball, it curves downward past the horizon seen on the ground. It must curve downward, because it's a ball.

The horizon of a ball, cannot rise when we rise above it, because it curves downward, ever more and more downward, when we're above a ball.


At 20,000 feet above Earth, a horizon is about 173 miles away, and if we were above a ball, the horizon would be miles below the plane, in the distance. Not directly across from us, halfway up our window.

originally posted by: turbonium1
Why would you believe a horizon would be lower than a plane at 20,000 feet, above the flat Earth? It wouldn't, and isn't, lower than us, when flying at high altitude. Because the Earth is a massive plain, those altitudes only allow for a fraction of the whole surface of Earth itself.

At 20,000 feet pretty much everything is lower than you. Are you intellectually challenged or just purposely obtuse?

a reply to: turbonium1

Yet again demonstrating your inability to think in 3 dimensions.

At 20k feet the horizon is not at eye level, it is 20k feet below you. It's just that 20k feet 190 miles away is a small looking distance.

The horizon is never at eye level unless you are laid on the ground at sea level.

Take a long tube, stand it on a tripod. Put a line of string across the end and align the string with the horizon. Turn the tube round. Does the string still line up? Quick answer is: no. Why?

Obviously everything IS lower than you are, while the horizon rises up, when you rise above the Earth.

Look at this image you posted.

Showing a 'curving' horizon, when anyone on a flight knows that the horizon is always seen flat and straight across Earth, at any altitude. Some want to see a 'curve', so much, they claim they DID see a 'curve', which doesn't even exist. Some tamper with images and make 'curves', that were never there. Some use lenses that create 'curves', which are not there.


They never have a clue that all their 'images' of horizons 'curving', taken from planes, could not be seen directly across from their windows, which we know is true, because the horizon fills up half of the window!

That means the horizon is around the very same altitude as their plane is, proving Earth is flat, and not a ball.

See that horizon out in the distance, halfway up the plane window? Any idea why it's halfway up the window, instead of having to point the camera downward, to even see any of the horizon?

Horizons are always seen halfway up plane windows, unless edited, by a ball Earth stooge. Somehow, they don't even realize most images from such altitudes show flat, straight horizons, proving they are the only fools here!


Such a fool is shown by your image, in fact. We can see it's not very high up, by the features on the surface. It's perhaps 5 or 6,000 feet up, at most. Probably lower, but I'm being generous here.

I;m sure even you must know we don't see a 'curve' at such a height, right? I guess you do, by posting it....

You need to see lots of images that show a flat, straight horizon, which it actually is?


Didn't you, or someone, just tell me that we cannot see a curve until about 35,000 feet up or so?

Is your image taken anywhere near to 35,000 feet? Not close to it, right?



So why are you even posting it?

originally posted by: turbonium1
Obviously everything IS lower than you are, while the horizon rises up, when you rise above the Earth.

Look at this image you posted.

I did. That's why I posted it.

Showing a 'curving' horizon, when anyone on a flight knows that the horizon is always seen flat and straight across Earth, at any altitude. Some want to see a 'curve', so much, they claim they DID see a 'curve', which doesn't even exist. Some tamper with images and make 'curves', that were never there. Some use lenses that create 'curves', which are not there.

Generally, earth curvature cannot be seen from a plane. It is very evident from spacecraft though. Loads of photos and examples of that.

That means the horizon is around the very same altitude as their plane is, proving Earth is flat, and not a ball.

If the horizon was at the same altitude as your plane, you'd be flying on the ground, lmao! Methinks you don't quite understand the word "altitude". Also, the Earth is not a "ball" it's a sphere. Get the terminology right at least.

See that horizon out in the distance, halfway up the plane window? Any idea why it's halfway up the window, instead of having to point the camera downward, to even see any of the horizon?


Horizons are always seen halfway up plane windows, unless edited, by a ball Earth stooge. Somehow, they don't even realize most images from such altitudes show flat, straight horizons, proving they are the only fools here!

lol... the horizon perspective from a plane window depends on the attitude of the plane at any given time. The ground could fill the window, or the sky could fill the window. Your "point" is moot here.

Such a fool is shown by your image, in fact. We can see it's not very high up, by the features on the surface. It's perhaps 5 or 6,000 feet up, at most. Probably lower, but I'm being generous here.

Which only accentuates my point. Even though the plane is seemingly low, you can still see the horizon below it, lol.


goddidit

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

Yet again demonstrating your inability to think in 3 dimensions.

At 20k feet the horizon is not at eye level, it is 20k feet below you. It's just that 20k feet 190 miles away is a small looking distance.

The horizon is never at eye level unless you are laid on the ground at sea level.

Take a long tube, stand it on a tripod. Put a line of string across the end and align the string with the horizon. Turn the tube round. Does the string still line up? Quick answer is: no. Why?

Because this has nothing to do with human sightline, for one thing. Nobody looks through tubes, to see things at eye level, or need strings to align what we can see at eye level.

Horizons are seen halfway up the windows of planes, at all altitudes. If Earth was a ball, the horizon would curve downward, when we rise above Earth, not rise up and fill half the window of planes, and seen directly across from us, in a plane. Only when above a flat surface does this happen, and it always does happen.

Above a ball Earth, a horizon 173 miles away would be nearly 4 miles below the plane's altitude, which is almost ground level, directly BELOW the plane. That would be where the horizon is seen, if Earth were a ball. It would curve away, more and more downward. Higher altitudes would show lower and lower horizons in the distance, because it's a ball, which always curves downward, when rising higher above it. The less of a ball is seen, with ever greater height above a ball,

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

Yet again demonstrating your inability to think in 3 dimensions.

At 20k feet the horizon is not at eye level, it is 20k feet below you. It's just that 20k feet 190 miles away is a small looking distance.

The horizon is never at eye level unless you are laid on the ground at sea level.

Take a long tube, stand it on a tripod. Put a line of string across the end and align the string with the horizon. Turn the tube round. Does the string still line up? Quick answer is: no. Why?

Because this has nothing to do with human sightline, for one thing. Nobody looks through tubes, to see things at eye level, or need strings to align what we can see at eye level.

Horizons are seen halfway up the windows of planes, at all altitudes. If Earth was a ball, the horizon would curve downward, when we rise above Earth, not rise up and fill half the window of planes, and seen directly across from us, in a plane. Only when above a flat surface does this happen, and it always does happen.

Above a ball Earth, a horizon 173 miles away would be nearly 4 miles below the plane's altitude, which is almost ground level, directly BELOW the plane. That would be where the horizon is seen, if Earth were a ball. It would curve away, more and more downward. Higher altitudes would show lower and lower horizons in the distance, because it's a ball, which always curves downward, when rising higher above it. The less of a ball is seen, with ever greater height above a ball,

Thanks for the chuckle...
Do you understand the difference between 173 miles and 30,000 feet? Evidently not.

Horizons are seen halfway up the windows of planes, at all altitudes.

Erm, no. The view and perspective of the horizon from a plane window is 100% dependent on the plane's attitude. This has been pointed out to you before. Are you simply ignoring this or are you having difficulty grasping the concept?

originally posted by: Kreeate
Generally, earth curvature cannot be seen from a plane. It is very evident from spacecraft though. Loads of photos and examples of that.

It's just a big pile of fake 'images'. Some are very laughable fakes, too.

I like the 'image' where North America puffed up twice the size it's seen in other 'images' they took of Earth, while in 'space'!

Their excuse for it was even funnier than the monster-sized North America. They said it was due to where they took the 'image' from in 'space' - that's a good one. Obviously, if that were the case, it would happen in all their 'images' of Earth, taken at different places in 'space', not all the same, which they were. No other puffed up continents, how lucky they are, right?!?

Punching holes in all their fakes won't convince you of it, anyway. Nobody can ever confirm any of it, that's the main problem you have.

The real evidence here on Earth shows it's all BS, that's the best thing of all.

originally posted by: Kreeate
Erm, no. The view and perspective of the horizon from a plane window is 100% dependent on the plane's attitude. This has been pointed out to you before. Are you simply ignoring this or are you having difficulty grasping the concept?

No, you're ignoring that planes largely fly straight and level in flight, they don't bank very much, other than takeoffs and landings, or course changes, but not as a habit, bud. Grasp THAT concept?


Most images of horizons are during level flight, or close to it, if you ever looked at images of it, you'd know that.

Any other lame excuses?

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Kreeate
Erm, no. The view and perspective of the horizon from a plane window is 100% dependent on the plane's attitude. This has been pointed out to you before. Are you simply ignoring this or are you having difficulty grasping the concept?

No, you're ignoring that planes largely fly straight and level in flight, they don't bank very much, other than takeoffs and landings, or course changes, but not as a habit, bud. Grasp THAT concept?

Most images of horizons are during level flight, or close to it, if you ever looked at images of it, you'd know that.

Any other lame excuses?

No, I simply pointed out the FACT that perspective changes depending on plane attitude. You using the horizon viewpoint from plane windows as a "method" of verifying your ludicrous viewpoint is laughable and a bit comical. You should consider a career in comedy.

It's just a big pile of fake 'images'. Some are very laughable fakes, too.

Fake images, lmao, of course yes. All images from planes and spacecraft are faked to "protect" the "truth" that the earth is flat, hahahaha!!

How is any of your diatribe evidence of a pancake earth, lol? It must be hard to see the forest for the trees with your head so thoroughly lodged between your butt-cheeks.

a reply to: turbonium1

~sigh~

Do you have to put effort into being this obtuse or is it just a gift?

The tube is a way of proving how wrong, and stupid, your horizon at eye level claim is. It's yet another simple thing you could do to educate yourself that you won't do.

If a photo taken from a plane has the horizon halfway up the photo it's because that's where the photographer chose to put it. Your eye being drawn to it is not the same as it being at eye level.

a reply to: turbonium1

Prove they are fake. Your inability to understand how viewpoints with altitude proves nothing. Dismissing them as fake without proof is not good enough.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: neutronflux

There is no restrictions in the navy concerning the knowledge of the world’s shape.

?

Why would the US navy think their ships are below the top of that 'ball Earth', when firing a shell at another ship, in the distance?

Your really not very good with shapes, are you?

The answer is literally in the diagram. And you still cannot see it.

Here it is, exaggerated for you.



You don’t get its now about the prospect between two objects apart from each other on a 3D spherical shape.

Here. Now let’s rotate the orientation.

The US navy ship would be on TOP

No. It’s about the perspective between the two objects on a spherical earth.

of the ocean, when firing a shell at another ship

Ok?

which would be LOWER than the US navy ship, which fires at it!!

No. Both ships are at sea level on a curved spherical planet with the curve of the earth between then.


Remember the surveyor’s definition of level.

nptel.ac.in...

Level surface : A level surface is the equipotential surface of the earth's gravity field. It is a curved surface and every element of which is normal to plumb line. A body of still water provides the best example of a level surface.

You've got no clue about how stupid that is?

No. What is stupid is you have to try to rewrite, and ignore what is clearly in the diagram.

While you didn’t answer, “ Why would the US navy teach a falsehood that would make their gunners less accurate, and give an enemy a tactical advantage. Can you name one navy that has better and more timely navigation, and more accurate weapons because they include a flat earth in their navigation and firing solutions“

Why is this thread still going, close it because there are NOT 2 sides to this

Apparently he doesn't realize you have to look down from a plane to see the horizon.... LOL

that happens when you never leave your basement....or emerge from beneath your bridge

originally posted by: turbonium1
Flights may reach over 50,000 feet, or more, but the horizon is still across from us, same as always. The horizons may be hundreds of miles away, at such altitudes, but the Earth is thousands of miles in area, it's impossible to ever see a horizon lower than any airplane.

You really have a hard time grasping dimensions. Rhode Island, the smallest state in the US is thousands of miles in area. The earth is a little bigger than that and that is why even if it is a sphere, what you said here also applies.

The bias you accuse people of having when they say they see a curve when looking at a horizon from a plane also applies to you. Even if you have been on a plane you just dismiss having to tilt your head even a little to see the horizon.

Heck, flat earthers can't even agree because many say you see a curved horizon because of the windows glass or if a pic is taken it is because of the lens and here you are trying to tell others that they are seeing a flat horizon. Someone is wrong.

Gonna borrow part of this reply to me earlier

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: CrazyFox

Other words. There is no ice wall to prove it exists.

Now. Look at the “flat earth map”

Take a gander at this from some searching earlier today
link

a reply to: Akragon

originally posted by: CrazyFox


Take a gander at this from some searching earlier today

link

So it's not flat.

a reply to: CrazyFox

Nope. If it’s not worth quoting to provide evidence and a workable / intelligible argument in a post, you can pack sand.

Go dig up web traffic some other place.

Now. Do you have actual citable evidence of an ice wall you can actually quote and post. Or you just here to pit your innuendo against people that actually build their real world view on experience and actual observation.