UK, Canada, France, Belgium, you're being played

a reply to: DrumsRfun

I won't click that link, I have read enough already so I don't need anymore "information"
Just wear the damn mask when you go out and stay home as much as you can....its simple.

Ah I see you'd rather ignore facts of reality to protect your false paradigm. And in response to this quote. NO. It's that simple.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Is everyone forgetting about the VERY LIBERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR LISTING A DEATH AS A COVID-19 DEATH?

Well as I said that may have been the case but it's still very clear there was a wave of Covid-19 which killed some people even if it wasn't as many as we were told. They fact they can't even push up the death rate now even with all their tricks is very telling that the pandemic is well and truly finished in these places, at least until winter sets in. However I did notice there has been a sudden uptick in deaths in Canada in the last day or two, it's almost at a 90 degree angle and it looks pretty suspicious to me but who knows maybe a bunch of people did suddenly die of Covid-19 in Canada.

Trump was trying to tell us that the reason the numbers were increasing was because there is more testing. SARS2 covid virus is not the same as Covid !9. We paused the economy temporarily so we had time to get more information about the disease and learn how to treat it....the disease we are talking about is Covid19, not the virus. From what I am hearing, people are getting covid even if they do not go out, it is on the stuff that is brought to their house. It lives on stuff for a while, then it gets on the hands and clothes, you wash your hands, then hit them on the infected clothes and again it goes into your mouth when you eat your sandwich. We cannot stop this virus. Even people who have partial immunity through B and T cells can transmit the disease for a few days, and they have no symptoms or very mild cases of the disease....When the vaccine comes, it will only be a little over fifty percent effective and still will not work on old people who do not have an immune system anyway. The medicine Trump took, the monoclonal thing, that actually attaches to the virus and deactivates it. But still the immune system needs to be there to clean things up.

Both the innate immune system and the adaptive immune system must work correctly for immunity to work and lots of meds modify the innate to suppress over immune response for things like asthma and some autoimmune diseases. Not all meds used to treat autoimmune diseases are a problem, but some are. Chemo drugs can damage the immune response too, so can antirejection meds for organ transplants.

We have to understand that people are going to die, there is nothing we can do. We can delay their death, but probably not more than six months to a year, if they change people's meds to a less problematic one with covid, then it may help...but they are not doing much of that here in the USA, at least not around here much from talking to people who I know are taking these problematic meds, in fact, they still aren't going to the doctors because it is a hastle at the hospital. They are not calling for appointments and many of the people I know aren't going to load zoom on their computer.

Just wear your mask if you are going to the store or in public, and try to social distance if possible. Don't push your luck....be rational, you do not need to go out doing things you do not need to do.

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: panoz77
Is everyone forgetting about the VERY LIBERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR LISTING A DEATH AS A COVID-19 DEATH?

No, but that factor hasn't changed, they are still doing that. Add in sending COVID positive patients to nursing homes and into hospital rooms with patients who aren't positive, and you get a lot of people to die really fast.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

For a good review of the data with nobel prize winning professors go to Ivor Cummins you tube channel

Signification amount of information on the predictions and the actuals being way off from the governments but all most bang on for the statisticians

Did you you know the UK government based their predicts on data from 6 flights from Wuhan with 689 passengers and SIX cases.

a reply to: MykeNukem

Hafta look into this more now...lol

I created a thread a couple of weeks ago where I detailed the shutdown timeline for the UK and Australia, which may give you some more clues about what is going on. Keep in mind countries in the Southern and Northern Hemispheres have Winter at opposite times of the year. In Australia we mostly had a small first wave because it happened during Summer but the second wave hit during Winter, and the fact we squashed the first wave so quickly by going into a strict lockdown meant not many people had immunity when the second wave came around. That's why I'm so interested to see what happens in the UK and other hard hit places when Winter arrives, it will tell us a great deal of about how effective and how long lasting herd immunity is.

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: MykeNukem

Same thing all over at this point..no?

Is the States different?

Most other nations that I looked at had sensible trends, they have cases numbers which follow the death rate for the most part. Look at Australia for example, the second wave was actually accompanied by a wave of deaths. The United States has a much more complex curve for a few reasons, but still makes more sense than some of these nations with flat death rates but exploding case numbers.

I wonder if it's our difference in Health Systems?

Here in Canada our Government got the ball rolling on increased testing which would increase cases but not deaths...

Our Government also rushes through any Drugs or Vax they feel like...

Or maybe we have more young people per capita?

Hafta look into this more now...lol

Well one of my pet theories is collectively we are in lousy physical shape here in the US. We still smoke too much drink too much eat to much # have too much fat too much cholesterol etc. etc. Mentioned this early on here and was basically blasted, lol but I'm sure it's an contributing factor to so many deaths here compared to elsewhere. There isn't some wonder care or drug elsewhere just collectively we were in worse shape

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: MykeNukem

Hafta look into this more now...lol

I created a thread a couple of weeks ago where I detailed the shutdown timeline for the UK and Australia, which may give you some more clues about what is going on. Keep in mind countries in the Southern and Northern Hemispheres have Winter at opposite times of the year. In Australia we mostly had a small first wave because it happened during Summer but the second wave hit during Winter, and the fact we squashed the first wave so quickly by going into a strict lockdown meant not many people had immunity when the second wave came around. That's why I'm so interested to see what happens in the UK and other hard hit places when Winter arrives, it will tell us a great deal of about how effective and how long lasting herd immunity is.

I think just the fact it's a "Corona" family of virus will make the immunity long lasting. Completely unscientific opinion there though, lol.

Concerning the uptick in deaths in Canada, could they possibly be massaging the flu numbers to try to stack the Covid death numbers?

I think herd immunity has always been the answer.....caution at first so we don't overwhelm the system...then herd immunity...

I think the second wave is just hoax and based on cases....which they just create by testing more. Case is not same as being sick....anyone can be tested positive .


Forme r Chief Science Officer for Pfizer Says "Second Wave" Faked on False-Positive COVID Tests, "Pandemic is Over"

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: MykeNukem

Same thing all over at this point..no?

Is the States different?

Most other nations that I looked at had sensible trends, they have cases numbers which follow the death rate for the most part. Look at Australia for example, the second wave was actually accompanied by a wave of deaths. The United States has a much more complex curve for a few reasons, but still makes more sense than some of these nations with flat death rates but exploding case numbers.

I wonder if it's our difference in Health Systems?

Here in Canada our Government got the ball rolling on increased testing which would increase cases but not deaths...

Our Government also rushes through any Drugs or Vax they feel like...

Or maybe we have more young people per capita?

Hafta look into this more now...lol

Well one of my pet theories is collectively we are in lousy physical shape here in the US. We still smoke too much drink too much eat to much # have too much fat too much cholesterol etc. etc. Mentioned this early on here and was basically blasted, lol but I'm sure it's an contributing factor to so many deaths here compared to elsewhere. There isn't some wonder care or drug elsewhere just collectively we were in worse shape

That does have to be a factor..although us Canadians probably aren't much better in that area.

ETA: Just checked States are 12th, Canada 26th...pretty close.(First response on Google)

Testing ...testing...testing...

The Covid-19 Numbers Game: The “Second Wave” is Based on Fake Statistics


The COVID-19 Numbers Game: The "Second Wave" is Based on Fake Statistics - Prof. Michel Chossudovsky

77th Brigade at work in UK , And Boris follows the script he get from he`s handlers from up .


WATCH: Is the UK heading toward medical martial law?

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Monday. There's usually a large dump then.

And yes it can take weeks for the virus to kill. Depends on a few variables...

originally posted by: panoz77

originally posted by: vonclod

Don't forget, this thing has mutated quite a bit, more contagious, and seemingly less lethal.

NOT less lethal. It was never "lethal" in any real way to younger healthy people. Yes, a tiny minuscule percentage of seemingly healthy people died, TINY FRACTION. As any of us said from the start the real death rate is close to 0.0003% if that.

If the death rate is 0.0003% then if the entire UK population was infected then about 200 people would die.

I think you might be out just a little bit...

originally posted by: Kenzo

77th Brigade at work in UK , And Boris follows the script he get from he`s handlers from up .


WATCH: Is the UK heading toward medical martial law?

Nah that's a load of cobblers thankfully. Off guardian is one of the pseudoscience and Russian fake news sites the 77th have been combatting for a few months.

The whole reason is due to a massive spike in cases and to avoid a second wave hitting, or at least taper it down massively before heading into winter -

UK wide death cases are tiny but there's major outbreak in the county where I live (around 50x UK average) and hospital cases and deaths have started rising dramatically here. Without the new measures we'd end up with a worse wave then the 1st.

The Army have been involved in building test centres and conducting tests from the start to deal with increased workload on drs and the health service.

The 77th aren't a psyop unit and have been involved in debunking Fake News about it since the start of the outbreak as nut cases were setting fire to 5G masts thinking they caused Corona, fake cures and phishing scams - full info here: www.gov.uk...

The actual psy op unit is called the behavioural insights units /government nudge unit which has played no role in it.

Unlike the rest of the West, the US is still trying to control it's first wave of Covid, people followed mask and social distancing advice over here so the 1st wave died out months ago, these are measures to avoid a second wave and keep ahead oof the virus over winter which is when the health service is in peak demand due to flu etc...

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Shhhh. Soon as too many people wake up they will release "the next one that will get peoples attention" per Kill Gates own words as he and his wife exchanged overjoyed devilish grins whilst looking like they wanted to jump up and dance...

originally posted by: panoz77
The first wave took out the old, sick and infirm people first very quickly, hence the apparent high death rates in the first wave.

In the natural turn of events the old, the sick, and the infirm are always

the first to succumb?

Now, the "normal" population is getting it and the truth is apparent, what many of us had said from the start. It's very bad to get any "virus" when you are 80+, have secondary conditions or weakened immune system, the younger healthy people recover.

Its very bad to get ANYTHING when you are 80 plus years?

Like any machine of that age your components are worn and your engine

is ready to give up the ghost?

So its normal?

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: ChaoticOrder
a reply to: MykeNukem

Hafta look into this more now...lol

I created a thread a couple of weeks ago where I detailed the shutdown timeline for the UK and Australia, which may give you some more clues about what is going on. Keep in mind countries in the Southern and Northern Hemispheres have Winter at opposite times of the year. In Australia we mostly had a small first wave because it happened during Summer but the second wave hit during Winter, and the fact we squashed the first wave so quickly by going into a strict lockdown meant not many people had immunity when the second wave came around. That's why I'm so interested to see what happens in the UK and other hard hit places when Winter arrives, it will tell us a great deal of about how effective and how long lasting herd immunity is.

I think just the fact it's a "Corona" family of virus will make the immunity long lasting. Completely unscientific opinion there though, lol.

Concerning the uptick in deaths in Canada, could they possibly be massaging the flu numbers to try to stack the Covid death numbers?

I think herd immunity has always been the answer.....caution at first so we don't overwhelm the system...then herd immunity...

I agree ,we could have sheltered the at-risk and weathered the storm, in not doing so we have potential dragged it longer than if we had let it happen organically.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: panoz77
The first wave took out the old, sick and infirm people first very quickly, hence the apparent high death rates in the first wave.

In the natural turn of events the old, the sick, and the infirm are always

the first to succumb?

Now, the "normal" population is getting it and the truth is apparent, what many of us had said from the start. It's very bad to get any "virus" when you are 80+, have secondary conditions or weakened immune system, the younger healthy people recover.

Its very bad to get ANYTHING when you are 80 plus years?

Like any machine of that age your components are worn and your engine

is ready to give up the ghost?

So its normal?

What are your views on the current shielding methods? Appologies if I'm wrong (brain injury means terrible memory) but IIRC you're around the lower end of the age-risk catagory?

I'm in the clinical-risk/high-risk group myself due to brain not forming properly in the wom, epillepsy and previous bleed on the brain from RTA and have to take 11 meds a day to stay alive which buggers the immune system (still doesn't control the seizures so can drop dead any second and every day is a blessing). I thought they made perfect sense in the initial outbreak as there was so little known about the virus but this time around I'm the governments approach a bit patronising.

Like anyone in the clinical/high risk catagory I've made dozens/hundreds of adjustments to life to manage my health prior to the appearance of Covid. Charities have published clear accesible info detailing the specific risks (mine details how incorrect and scaremongering the government advice is here: www.epilepsy.org.uk... ). Even though I class as medically retarded I still have the common sense to only socialise with friends and family who are shielding and keep an eye on local cases.

I still go to the village pub (only place it's legal to socialise with a single person or family member here) and shops but just make sure to always use the hand santizer on entrance and exits and drink bottles instead of pints to avoid catching it from mucky glasses.

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It needs to be done to protect the NHS and frontline workers as they're essential and are putting their own lives at risk to help the rest of us and I think that's something all the country can support but everyone I know in a similar situation to me had to get over their fear of death years ago in order to have any quality of life and is used to managing risk with making the most out of life.

a reply to: DrumsRfun

.....the mask keeps you from giving it to people but doesn't guarantee you won't still get it.

That's exactly what the 'authorities' have been saying all along.

Wearing a mask in shops etc will not guarantee a person will not get Covid 19 but it MIGHT help reduce the spread of the virus.
A very mild inconvenience at worst.....but the possible benefits make it a worthy sacrifice in my opinion.

As far as I'm aware no-one is recommending wearing masks in wide open spaces. Certainly in the UK people are only being 'told' to wear them on public transport and in shops etc.

As for current infection rates.
Its being said that the spike in positive cases is being linked to increased testing and lapses in social distancing as people become pissed off with restricitons placed upon their socialising etc.
Hospital admissions and deaths have gone up but nowhere near as much as one would expect given the huge rise in testing.
This has led people to think that infection rates have always been higher than previously thought and that the percentage of those infected who develop serious complications is lower than was believed.

This doesn't diminsh the seriousness of this pandemic; its still very dangerous and potentially fatal to huge numbers of people.

I live in North East England which has more or less been placed under local lockdown rules due to the sudden increase in positve cases being reported.
In Newcastle 770 students at Northumbria University have tested positive and are having to isolate. Very few of these people have developed any sort of symptoms but their isolation is intended to help prevent the spread of the virus possibly to someone who may indeed develop serious complications.

Nearly every single local authority where I live have been placed under these restrictions, fortunately where I live we haven't.
Whilst there has been a rise in both postive cases and hospital admissions they haven't been at an alarming rate....yet.
This has been put down to people by and large following government guidelines but I have admit I'm a little suspicious of this and think there must be more to it. What? I have no idea.

Are we getting to the point where we say; # it, let's just gtet on with things the best we can whilst taking sensible precautions and see how it pans out?
I wouldn't like to be the person who makes that decision - one of the many reasons why I aren't a politician - but it might be the only course of action left to us until such time a vaccination may become available.

I honestly haven't got a clue what's going on any more and have absolutely no idea what we should or shouldn't do.