The reality of WWIII Finally acnowledged by Donald Trump

I have said for along time that we are in the midst of World War III, but that warfare in the 21st century looks like no war ever fought. If two super-powers just pulled out the stops and started dropping bombs, we know that Mutual Assured Destruction wold be the end result.

If you understand CCP (Chinese Communist Party) modern warfare doctrine, you would understand that the CCP declared war on the west years ago and that we have been under a *literal* state of seige from Beijing for years. (If you don't understand modern CCP warfare doctrine, do yourself a favor and do some research.) Since Nixon and up to now, no western politico has been willing to face that fact because there was profit for the money men on ignoring the fact and the CCP was given free reign to buy up critical US industry and infrastructure while exporting to and marketing in the US products that no US company would be allowed to market - low quality garbage that has literally poisoned US citizens - while western industrialists, investors and politicians made a killing at our expense.

Today, Donald Trump exposed a truth and a reality that EVERY president since Nixon had ignored and denied for the sake of profit for western and eastern financiers and industrialists.

Again, China declared war on us years ago. What the president said today was to essentially acknowledge that fact and serve notice that we have decided to fight back. To be clear The president did NOT declare war on China, but only acknowledge the existing state of war that has been the reality for years and that nobody has had the balls or the integrity to face.

It's on! I hope that the west is prepared for it.


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a reply to: incoserv

I mostly agree with you, however I found his response today to be pretty tepid.

China senses our weakness, and I would not even be surprised if they make a move for Taiwan soon.

I am really unsure what our response to that would be.

originally posted by: proximo
a reply to: incoserv

I mostly agree with you, however I found his response today to be pretty tepid.

China senses our weakness, and I would not even be surprised if they make a move for Taiwan soon.

I am really unsure what our response to that would be.

I don't think it was weakness that you saw; I think it was a moderated response, a throwing down of the gauntlet that will allow them to decide how they will react.

I think that most Americans have no idea of the immensity of what transpired in that speech. He has kicked a big, ugly bully right in the balls, but he did it as surreptitiously as possible. That was a good move, IMO.

Again, we'll have to see how China reacts. I don't think they'll react nicely, but they'll react. If they mess with Taiwan, I can't see it being pretty.

Sounds like he betrayed Hong Kong .
Not so much being tough on China .

a reply to: incoserv

CCP = Chinese Capitalist Party.

They wanted to be number one. And they worked hard to create their giant corporation. They are like the east India company that used to hold Chinese ports and agriculture by the throat.
There is absolutely nothing communist or even remotely socialist about China. They make Stalin look rather centrist and Lenin a moderate revolutionist. And you can see the writing on the wall, corporate western interests made big deals with China, that's enough to explain how they got so powerful, capitalism reaping the and raping the benefits of free markets. And using middle class people to feed the rich more and more power.

WW3 I believe won't happen, but a cold war might be coming soon. Trump is acknowledging it, but then again he's the main pawn for the GOP, a party that created neo - liberalism, and it's main economist referred to working class people as "Human capital stock".

originally posted by: TREESNAKE1111
Sounds like he betrayed Hong Kong .
Not so much being tough on China .

No, that's not what happened.

Mike Pompeo said that Hong Kong was no longer an autonomous region but that the US stands with the people of Hong Kong.

The reality of the political (and resulting financial) situation in Hong Kong means that the way the US deals with Hong Kong must change in order to keep china from taking advantage of Hong Kong's former special economic status, but limiting the CCP's advantage while standing politically and philosophically with the people of Hong Kong is necessary.

originally posted by: TREESNAKE1111
Sounds like he betrayed Hong Kong .
Not so much being tough on China .

No, china has taken control of Hong Kong.

The choice was to intervene and try and reverse that, or accept it has become part of china, and remove it's special designations.

We chose the latter.

I think you could make an argument to do either. Neither is a good choice.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: incoserv

... WW3 I believe won't happen, but a cold war might be coming soon. Trump is acknowledging it, but then again he's the main pawn for the GOP, a party that created neo - liberalism, and it's main economist referred to working class people as "Human capital stock".

Again, I hold that we are in the throes of WWIII, it just does not look like any war ever fought before. Both sides are scared to let it turn into a shooting ware because MAD would result, so it's all underground, backdoor, economic, political, cultural and philosophical.

originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: incoserv

... WW3 I believe won't happen, but a cold war might be coming soon. Trump is acknowledging it, but then again he's the main pawn for the GOP, a party that created neo - liberalism, and it's main economist referred to working class people as "Human capital stock".

Again, I hold that we are in the throes of WWIII, it just does not look like any war ever fought before. Both sides are scared to let it turn into a shooting ware because MAD would result, so it's all underground, backdoor, economic, political, cultural and philosophical.

Yes, this is right.

But lets be honest, China is probably a whole lot more ready to go to war than the US, because they have millions of young men who are actually a drain on the country - and the government does not care about them.

a reply to: incoserv

I agree.

I feel like this might be a turning point in political and economic matters for the world. I've had sort of an idea that we are going to see large coalitions of economic powerhouses, like the new proposed USMCA (NAFTA) and perhaps an Asian coalition as well. Where trade will flow within the connected continents but oceans will be the new borders.

a reply to: incoserv

You, Sir. Understands how to "read" a public statement, and why it was a public statement.

Unfortunately too many people only hear the literal word, or the tone.

a reply to: proximo

With modern technology unless trying to hold an area you've captured, troop numbers are ultimately irrelevant. Both our nations have more than enough troops necessary to maintain and put to use all our modern tech. A properly built bomb can kill 1000 troops just as easily as it can kill 10, and no one has enough jets, or fighter drones that it takes a billion people to pilot them all. Every time I hear people mention China's superiority due to troop numbers in a modern context I can't help but shake my head.

www.reuters.com... &utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1Xl60qA_RyiCTpAnp71FINc9RI7Ha64WlCWohD2SeA1AmoblFtO6lcACA

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain is prepared to offer extended visa rights and a pathway to citizenship for almost 3 million Hong Kong residents in response to China’s push to impose national security legislation in the former British colony. China’s parliament has approved a decision to go forward with national security legislation for Hong Kong that democracy activists, diplomats and some in the business world fear will jeopardise its semi-autonomous status and its role as a global financial hub. Britain, the United States, Australia, Canada and the EU have all sharply criticised the move.

this plus the change of status of HK seems to be to pressure china to cut it out as if the special status is removed sanctions would apply to HK as well.


now on to tiawan en.wikipedia.org... wiki so i wont quote it but it is why taiwan is now requesting harpoon anti ship missiles in bulk from usa which is something i see trump doing pretty quickly

www.thedrive.com...

Taiwanese authorities say that they are looking to buy ground-launched Harpoon anti-ship missiles and mobile launchers to augment the island's coastal defenses. This announcement follows reports that China's People's Liberation Army Navy might be gearing up for a first-ever naval exercise featuring both of its aircraft carriers. Chinese naval forces have been steadily and significantly growing in recent years, in general, which has already prompted the Taiwanese military to seek a variety of new and improved anti-ship capabilities. Taiwanese Deputy Defense Minister Chang Che Ping informed lawmakers on the island about the plans to acquire the land-based Harpoons during a committee meeting on May 28, 2020. Reports had first begun to emerge earlier this month that the Taiwanese military could be looking to buy these missiles.

probably not the end all of weapons systems but couldn't hurt and we tend to sell them a lot of weapons already


thediplomat.com... we sold them anti ship missiles in 2013 but those were the submarine launched variant but it does seem to enjoy bipartisan support going back to carter ie both dems and reps have sold them weapons since the 1970s ranging from tanks rockets missiles torpedoes f-16s etc en.wikipedia.org...

www.defenseone.com... even bernie sanders said military options were on the table to defend taiwan so i dont see why any one would think trump would not do the same thing

In an interview with 60 Minutes on Sunday night, Democratic front-runner Bernie Sanders suggested that he might take military action to defend Taiwan if China attacks it. The implication is that a Sanders Administration would fundamentally transform America’s security policy toward Taiwan—a move that would surely cause hand-wringing in foreign policy circles from Washington to Beijing. At least in this instance, Sanders is right to shake things up. Washington’s longstanding policy of “strategic ambiguity” is increasingly likely to inflame the very kind of crisis that it was intended to deter. It’s time for Washington to re-evaluate, redefine and clarify its commitment to Taiwan.

so until they are capable of mounting a cross straight invasion (logistically and militarily) throw in their recent south china sea shenanigans and there more recent cross border issues with India and china should be careful it does not bite off more then it can chew in the region as the list of south pacific nations who are not fans of china continues to grow and could finally lead to a successful new version of SETO ideally this time with teeth

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: proximo

With modern technology unless trying to hold an area you've captured, troop numbers are ultimately irrelevant. Both our nations have more than enough troops necessary to maintain and put to use all our modern tech. A properly built bomb can kill 1000 troops just as easily as it can kill 10, and no one has enough jets, or fighter drones that it takes a billion people to pilot them all. Every time I hear people mention China's superiority due to troop numbers in a modern context I can't help but shake my head.

No, they aren't irrelevant in proxy wars.

Yes, I of course understand ultimately it gets to a nuclear showdown - but you can push it real far before it comes to that if you want to, because you know the other side does not want to go there - and likely won't unless you are invading their territory.

Compared to the other two world wars, WW3 would be sophisticated or elegant to say the least. It could be one hell of cold war that looked like it never happened, or the second it gets hot, boom.

The first one was a long anticipated pissing contest in a muddy pit, while the second was a game changer.

I wouldnt say soldiers or warriors are obsolete, but weaponry that would be akin to some spear chucking invisible man sitting in a chair from the sky casting his doubt, which certainly sounds stranger then fiction, hell, why not prophetic.

a reply to: proximo

Not talking nuclear bombs, talking any war that doesn't involve trying to claim territory and hold it.

originally posted by: proximo
a reply to: incoserv

I mostly agree with you, however I found his response today to be pretty tepid.

China senses our weakness, and I would not even be surprised if they make a move for Taiwan soon.

I am really unsure what our response to that would be.

Maybe a bipartisan trade war? I wonder if our politicians have the balls to escalate things beyond that

The UK accepting Hong Kong citizens will cause huge problems for the CCP

The assets acquired by corruption are often held in Hong Kong.

Like Switzerland in the old days.

Boris could use a huge influx of capital into the UK economy at this time.

Interesting times....

originally posted by: incoserv

It's on! I hope that the west is prepared for it.

We shall see.. Most still havent quite caught on to a lot of this stuff, and thats being generous.

The amount of social influence the CCP has in the west is absolutely staggering and has been for years. Still think the CCP is just an arm for.. more global entities.. but one step at a time I suppose.

I would suggest ceasing to use sites like facebook and avoiding the mainstream news (which, yes, absolutely unquestionably includes the local news).

Still plenty of ways to get that same info. And, even if its still derived from the same seeds, the added degree of separation helps all the same.

a reply to: incoserv

There's no such thing as nationalism anymore but you're not wrong about us now living through corporate world war three.

If you follow the money then exactly the same families also instigated world war two.