Dr. Anthony Fauci says staying closed for too long could cause ‘irreparable damage’

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Phage

Aren't we told daily Trump has no power over governors and closing/opening states? Seems what you suggest is unconstitutional.

If I drop 500k in your account will you help me convince ATS that unicorns are real?

a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

Too many people that supported the lock downs in the beginning are starting to realize that much of it really wasn't about saving lives after all

It's worked really, really well here.


What do you reckon it's been about? A plan to get the people to rebel, eventually?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Economic consequences so obvious that even an infectious disease specialist can see them... sort of makes those cajoling for further extensions of the lockdowns look like economically clueless fools, doesn't it?

originally posted by: Grimpachi

NO. I didn't screw up at all. You are right the governors were listening to the President who had all the intel from around the world the CDC and direct contact with the WHO and the best experts at their disposal. If you are saying they srewed up by listening to the president then I will agree with you. It is unfortunate that states can not afford all the top resources and experts to make informed decisions. Our tax dollars are supposed to fund the groups that look out for those things, unfortunately, we had a weak link in getting that information. When the president decided to ignore the experts in their field and listen to those that didn't know what they were talking about the information that could have saved lives didn't get disseminated to the states. This was an absolute failure from the top.

So now the Governors are listening to the President so their failures were actually his...OK This was a Black Swan event, much of what you suggest the administration should have done before hand maybe should have started back in 2001 or under Obama since he dodged his own Black Swan by luck. "top resources and experts to make informed decisions" like WHO that we fund and the WA model that was totally wrong? lol come on stop being so damn partisan for once. It hasn't been any kind of failure much less an absolute one.

To be honest I don't even blame the Governors, outside it has always been their decision and the delay was mainly due very low death number even up to the closure of most states.

a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

Since both things can be true at the same time, what's your point? Neither statement excludes the other.

Bankruptcy attorney says Hawaii could see ‘mother of all recessions’

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a reply to: xuenchen

Yeah. Nationwide. Globally, probably. That was pretty clear early on.

Your point?

a reply to: Phage

It has worked well there because it is an island. As you said (somewhere) earlier today it is different on the mainland because it is fairly simple to cross a state border by car even with travel bans in place. Not so simple to fly to an island far off in the Pacific when most states wont let you even fly out of state right now. Last time I visited Hawaii to get from Oahu to Kauai and to the Big Island required I travel by plane or chartered boat- flight was cheaper.

As far as what it's all about? While there are an awful lot of theories about it I can't pretend to know for certain. I'm not sure any of this was planned at the beginning but I suspect that the situation has been used for its convenience. I do believe that there are some who have waited for just such a situation to arise so that they can further agendas but guessing what those are is only speculation.

originally posted by: Mandroid7

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Phage

Aren't we told daily Trump has no power over governors and closing/opening states? Seems what you suggest is unconstitutional.

If I drop 500k in your account will you help me convince ATS that unicorns are real?

If Unicorns make you happy why not?

a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

Yes. Stupids are being busted on an ongoing basis.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

This doesn't mean it can't work on the mainland, just that it takes coordination and cooperation. With some saying mitigation is stupid, pointless, and doesn't work, that's problematic.

I'm not sure any of this was planned at the beginning but I suspect that the situation has been used for its convenience.

There are always those who will take advantage of a bad situation. Hawking cures and preventions, for example.
www.mediamatters.org...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Yes. Silly me. I forgot Brazil is domestic.

despite Trump going so far as to cancel all international flights,

I was on my phone and didn't care to go in depth, the gist of my post is accurate.

Joe Biden on Trump's travel ban to China.

hysteria, xenophobia and fear-mongering

Bernie Sanders

wouldn't consider closing the U.S. border to prevent the spread of coronavirus

NYT

The New York Times quoted epidemiologist Dr. Michael Osterholm as saying that Trump's decision to restrict travel from China was "more of an emotional or political reaction."

WaPo

Trump acted "in disregard of WHO [World Health Organization] recommendation against travel restrictions"

Vox

"Is this going to be a deadly pandemic? No."

www.foxnews.com...

You're right though. Trump should have done MORE as the WHO and Democrats and the liberal media blasted him for doing TOO MUCH. You talk about a unified response, simply impossible with the way Democrats and the media played politics with Covid-19, deriding everything Trump did and saying the US should not be doing such things.

Maybe if Democrats weren't too busy putting politics before people and acting in a way that resulted in untold deaths we could have had a unified response.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04
You don't even have to say you were wrong.
Can't you just say that you worded your post badly?

despite Trump going so far as to cancel all international flights

a reply to: Blaine91555

It's a pattern. First it's don't wear a mask then you must wear a mask. Then you will catch the virus from surfaces then not likely at all. We must protect the elderly and infirm followed by we must put Covid-19 sick patients into care facilities with them. This time it's keep everything closed or we're all screwed then open it back up or we're all screwed.

The boy has cried wolf too many times. I am not alone in that I don't believe anything these so-called experts say any more.

a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk


Yes , Interesting Indeed . Those in Large U.S. Cities Especially in Blue States will be Scrambling to Leave them if another Lock Down is put in Place using Covid-19 as an Excuse ....

a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

First it's don't wear a mask then you must wear a mask.

The guidance was first that a mask offers little protection to the wearer. This has not changed.

Then you will catch the virus from surfaces

Please show where this was stated.


More is being learned about the disease and how it is transmitted. All the time. That's how science works. As that information is obtained, its implications are being transmitted to the public. Do you think it should work in a different manner?

a reply to: Phage

Hahaha! That Alex Jones.
Never let a money making opportunity go to waste!

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
You don't even have to say you were wrong.
Can't you just say that you worded your post badly?

despite Trump going so far as to cancel all international flights

My posts wording did not accurately reflect the travel ban put into place. It doesn't change the message of my post though.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
The same guy who said reopening the American economy too soon could cause irreparable damage. He just can't stick to script, or maybe his writers are having an off day.

What if both equations are true?

It's not just about the buck, and it's not just about a Lock down in the face of a pandemic, it's a matter of trying to figure out a way of acting correctly at any given time...(now having just written that sentence, I notice that the diction corrector allowed me to non-cap, buck, but allowed me to cap the word Lock, in Lock down) it just shows you that the DC is actively current.

Anyway,

I don't see anywhere in the PC circles...that forbids Dr Fauci to make any comment on the current situation, especially when both comments are relevant, like them, or 'hate' them, while I ask myself is this a post attacking Fauci because he doesn't always whistle to the tune of Dixie...and so not PC? I think some guys are losing the plot big time.

Reality says, either of those remarks made by Fauci has a fundamental truth there, not to be easily ignored, so go figure, instead.

And no, it will not be easy, and it will not be short time, and everyone needs to make a sensible contribution for the long term...that includes governments as well.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Economic consequences so obvious that even an infectious disease specialist can see them... sort of makes those cajoling for further extensions of the lockdowns look like economically clueless fools, doesn't it?

Consequences like below?
www.cbsnews.com...

Maybe Dr Fauci simply understands the nasty side so well...in the "Who cares", "I don't care" world...not so hard really when you know the actors.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Economic consequences so obvious that even an infectious disease specialist can see them... sort of makes those cajoling for further extensions of the lockdowns look like economically clueless fools, doesn't it?

“I’m a scientist, a physician and a public health official. I give advice, according to the best scientific evidence, I don’t give advice about economic things.”

Dr. Fauci
keyt.com...