Dr. Anthony Fauci says staying closed for too long could cause ‘irreparable damage’

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Stay-at-home orders intended to curb the spread of the coronavirus could end up causing “irreparable damage” if imposed for too long, White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNBC on Friday.

Funny because just 11 days ago he was saying this:

Just last week, Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, warned members of Congress that the United States could face even more “suffering and death” from the coronavirus if some states rush to reopen businesses too early.

I usually stay away from mainstream media but the hubs found it on a far-right website so I searched to see if it was news on far-left news sites as well... and it was!

CNBC Link with video included

The pressure is on!

Isn't it obvious that they're all working together to manipulate us into this creepy-sounding "contact tracing" scheme using smartphones and so forth?

Obviously if most people are doing what they can to avoid getting sick and the numbers are already still going up, what's going to happen if we open everything back up and people are not smart about it and don't follow the recommendations about distancing and wearing masks? The numbers are gonna skyrocket. And then they'll have an even better excuse for mass surveillance on everyone.

"Well, we can't lock things down because it will destroy the economy and we can't keep doing it the way we're doing it because it's too dangerous so we have to spy on everyone and we promise we'll respect everyone's privacy while we're spying on them"

a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

These could be things like back pain from homeoffice, a thing that I read about in a health magazine. Long term issue of learning a wrong way how to sit or lift things.

Psychological effects on children that grow up with this situation. For example if kids grow up further with this social distancing, some may acquire it as "the new normal" (god I hate this term) and it ties into their way of thinking. We are all shaped by our surroundings and we can only do so much against it.

We are much more vulnerable as kids that still try to figure out the rules of the world.

This is absolutely no surprise to me and should be a non issue for everyone observing this, too. There is a term for it, I think it is something like indirect conditioning.

a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

Stay-at-home orders intended to curb the spread of the coronavirus could end up causing “irreparable damage” if imposed for too long, White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNBC on Friday.

Fauci is an infectious disease specialist. What kind of “irreparable damage” is he talking about?

“But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”

Why now? When did Fauci become an economic advisor?

The pressure is on because it is becoming increasing clear that this shutdown was for nothing...

Fauci is trying to save his career / legacy. He is going to be known as the kooky doctor that destroyed a global economy over nothing. I've seen his type before. They are so invested in their field / narrative that they can't see the big picture or flaws in their thinking. He was probably feeling like this is a once in a life time opportunity to be at the forefront of a global epidemic and it turns out to be nothing. The fear mongering was based on faulty data / models.

The problem for politicians is they can't just say "I don't know" or "We screwed up..." So they continue to double down instead of just accepting they were wrong. The bigger problem is the longer they keep things going, the worse off the reaction to their wrong decision becomes.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Isn't it obvious that they're all working together to manipulate us into this creepy-sounding "contact tracing" scheme using smartphones and so forth?

Obviously if most people are doing what they can to avoid getting sick and the numbers are already still going up, what's going to happen if we open everything back up and people are not smart about it and don't follow the recommendations about distancing and wearing masks? The numbers are gonna skyrocket. And then they'll have an even better excuse for mass surveillance on everyone.

"Well, we can't lock things down because it will destroy the economy and we can't keep doing it the way we're doing it because it's too dangerous so we have to spy on everyone and we promise we'll respect everyone's privacy while we're spying on them"

Obviously people who are rushing in to get tested even though displaying no symptoms at the governments urging are already drinking the Koolaid. In my state the governor is on television every day urging EVERYONE to get tested, especially those without symptoms. See, once you install that tracing app not only will they be up in YOUR business they will also be up in the business of everyone in your phone and social media contact lists, and everyone in their lists, and so on. If people who are not having any symptoms would just forego the test and keep their distance from those who are vulnerable we could ditch the whole process. Bad thing is that some who DO have the virus are refusing to self quarantine, and that is how they are able to get away with this "tracing" crap.

It spreads on surfaces -> It doesn't spread on surfaces.

Over 1 million will DIE! -> Initial reports were greatly exaggerated.

Masks do nothing -> Wear masks EVERYWHERE!

We must flatten the curve -> We must stay in until there is a vaccine.

We must shut down indefinitely -> Shutting down indefinitely will do irreparable harm.

How many times do we let these experts reverse themselves or contradict until we admit to ourselves they have no clue?

a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk
Just further proof of what an @as this guy is.

Sad to say, but the US govt is a total joke.

Rushing to open is dangerous, but if we do it correctly, with some social distancing and in some cases masks, it is safe. In the last week, they have discovered that the virus does not cause nearly as much of a problem if you contact it on surfaces, yes, it is still live for a while, but if I read it right, it is inactive somewhat and does not lead to the disease nearly as much as it being breathed on you.

Finally Fauchi has compared what is actually happening with the lockdowns to what is not happening, more people are going to die from not getting stuff done at hospitals because of the lockdown than from the disease itself. It has long been known that some people cannot use masks while others have no problem...but we are making it evil for someone not to wear a mask and this causes harm to some people. Fauchi finally accepted what some of the others were saying, like a lot of people are going to die if the hospitals go bankrupt or have financial losses and cannot hire everyone back.

The majority of old people here are leary of going to hospitals, especially when their kids cannot come in and see them. My Granddaughter is going to have another kid in July and she is not so keen on doing it alone, as it is now, her husband cannot come into the delivery room. I went into the delivery room for both daughters, after the first, I wanted no part of the second, but the nurses talked me into it. I think her husband would be glad to skip the birth of the second kid....I wish I had skipped both. The first one, my daughter came out all blue with the cord wrapped around her neck, the doctors were worried but she did start to breath.....I had no desire to go in with my second wife. But was forced to.

What fauchi was saying eleven days ago was being twisted all out of proportion by the left, he clearly stated opening everything up too fast was dangerous. What he was referring to was opening things up broadly and carelessly and not keeping some hot spots isolated, he never actually said that states should not open up at all. The media twisted this and so did the Democrats to make it look like orange man and big business bad. The economic impact was the worst on small businesses, not big businesses. It was terrible on small mom and pop businesses, and businesses learned now they do not need all the people back and that they can make as much profit with a third less employees in some cases, estimates are that up to forty percent of jobs associated with small businesses will not return.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Mental health directly ties in with financial stability. When your financial stability has been ripped away the longer you remain in that position the worse your mental health becomes and your mental health begins to effect your physical health, especially your immune system, thus making you more susceptible to contagious illnesses.

Back in the early 80s my dad, uncles, grandfather and other various relatives and friends were hit hard by the recession. There was no work for them (pipe fitters and welders mainly working in oil refineries) for as long as three years with most having to change professions and learn new job skills to survive. We had to hunt, fish, grow gardens and raise livestock to survive. It took an extremely heavy toll on our entire area. Family homes became battlegrounds as severe depression set in. Alcoholism and drug abuse soared. Mental and physical abuse became commonplace. Divorces became more common than weddings. It took years upon years to recover, a lot of people never did.

originally posted by: ketsuko
It spreads on surfaces -> It doesn't spread on surfaces.

Over 1 million will DIE! -> Initial reports were greatly exaggerated.

Masks do nothing -> Wear masks EVERYWHERE!

We must flatten the curve -> We must stay in until there is a vaccine.

We must shut down indefinitely -> Shutting down indefinitely will do irreparable harm.

How many times do we let these experts reverse themselves or contradict until we admit to ourselves they have no clue?

It almost seems like someone's trying to yank the President's chain.

Surely not.

“But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”

www.cnbc.com...

Some places are doing well, others not so much. In some places the number of new cases is declining and has been. In some places it's flat. In some places it's rising.

a reply to: rickymouse

I believe that the danger in opening up too fast isnt so much from The Virus, but from compromised immune systems. Compromised from a variety of factors, at that.

Now, everything is framed in context of The Virus because it does literally All The Things nowadays, but I do think the health risk is there all the same. Just not exclusively a single pathogen.

Even so, none of the data has really changed. They are just presenting it differently now as "new," likely to cause the fear response to downtrend. We will see if they are successful in that.. people are addicted to the fear porn.

originally posted by: Phage

“But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”

www.cnbc.com...

Some places are doing well, others not so much. In some places the number of new cases is declining and has been. In some places it's flat. In some places it's rising.

Yeah, I read that too.

Lest we twist words, I agree with the premise.

a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

Mental health directly ties in with financial stability.

So, you're assuming that Fauci is giving mental health advice? Fauci is not a mental health expert, nor is he any kind of expert on economic or financial instability. He's an infectious disease expert.

So, I'll ask again, not particular at you...What “irreparable damage” is he talking about, in his capacity as an infectious disease advisor?

It sounds to me like he's trying to dance around Trump's talking points, without really saying anything...

“But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”

"...to begin to seriously look at..." LOL That's clear as mud!

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk

Mental health directly ties in with financial stability.

So, you're assuming that Fauci is giving mental health advice? Fauci is not a mental health expert, nor is he any kind of expert on economic or financial instability. He's an infectious disease expert.

So, I'll ask again, not particular at you...What “irreparable damage” is he talking about, in his capacity as an infectious disease advisor?

It sounds to me like he's trying to dance around Trump's talking points, without really saying anything...

“But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”

"...to begin to seriously look at..." LOL That's clear as mud!

It means the damage from shutdown is far worse than the damage from the virus....

I hate to sound callous, but the reality is people die every day. You cannot prevent deaths. Shutting down the world is simply not practical or realistic. Most of the deaths are people who are already unhealthy and close to death in many cases. This is not a situation where healthy 30 year olds are jogging on Monday and dying on Friday.

a reply to: rickymouse

That is true. I personally put off seeking treatment for a problem with my wrist for 3 months because I didn't want to deal with possibly being around someone who ended up testing positive for the virus with "tracers" coming after me and forcing me to quarantine whether or not I actually contracted the virus and my hubs along with me because we live at the same address. When one of my nieces gave birth last month my sister and BIL were allowed to be with her but if they left the room they wouldn't be allowed back in- they couldn't even leave to get food but a delivery driver could come to the room and deliver it to them which makes no sense whatsoever!

There are so many small businesses that have closed permanently here, but the big box stores are doing better than ever. Walmart's dream has come true- they have finally accomplished what they've been trying to do for decades!

We could have avoided all of this if rather than shut everything down they had just quarantined those most at risk. I belong to that group and was okay with that for a while. If the govt would have stuck to their word that quarantines would only last a few weeks until they prepared hospitals and clinics for the peak of infections I would be okay with that as well. If the media hadn't turned this all into a "fear fest" we probably wouldn't be where we are now. At this point I think most people would rather just get the virus and take their chances!

The same guy who said reopening the American economy too soon could cause irreparable damage. He just can't stick to script, or maybe his writers are having an off day.

If you haven't seen it... great rant. Warning, some foul language. CEO of Barstool Sports

I’d like to weigh in on this, say something profound and logical.

However, all my mind is coming up with is — FU## Fauci!!!