Corona Virus Updates Part 6

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: MonkeyBalls2

I have to concur regarding India. I’ve backpacked extensively through the country and introducing Covid there is like walking around a gunpowder factory in the dark using a flaming torch to see what’s in the boxes.

Bollocks! See my answer to MB2.
Also note your language, bolded part mine.

Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: angelchemuel

did-you-know-that-covid-19-vaccine-used-in-india-is-made-from-chimpanzee-poop-

www.thehealthsite.com...

a reply to: steaming

Yep.

Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: steaming
The Astra Zeneca shot (not just used in India).

a reply to: angelchemuel

Whoa now, Not sure what I mentioned to get this response, but i'll try and reply.

You can't compare the UK and India just by picking a few numbers.
India is doing so badly since January, because that is when the new variants started showing up, though the Genome Sequencing wasn't very prevalent, so we don't have a very good timeline.

Before that, they were all led to believe that they either had natural immunity, or were inherently immune due to them having lots of disease and bacteria in their daily lives as it is.
They didn't think they needed the Vaccine, so they saved a few pennies, and didn't get it.
They were massively exporting the Vaccines produced there, and all the Medicine produced.
Then the Govt noticed something was going bad, and halted all exports of Covid Vaccines and Drugs.
The 'Western World' is 'rushing' to get Vaccines and Meds there, but their idea of rushing is taking a couple of weeks to a month or more, and thats just too long.

Yes, India has always cremated their dead, and then put whats left into the Ganges.
Some people may have been put in the Ganges without cremation, but not on the scale being seen now.

India is a very un-sanitary place.
The bodies in the rivers may not spread Covid, but they will spread a myriad of other diseases, either by Human contact, or by animals coming into contact with the bodies, and then into contact with Humans.

Yes, Porton Down is a Bio-Weapon Lab, always has been. Haven't said anything to the contrary.
They do a lot more than just Gain of Function tests, a LOT lot more.

Yes, I mentioned that they were chucking money at it, to rehabilitate it as a simple 'Viral Laboratory'.
I'm sure all the money being spent, is going on Covid research...(sarcasm).

India is getting shafted right now, because of a Mutation of Covid that seems to have happened locally, and is very, very infectious.
The unsanitary conditions just hasten the spread.

The fact that it is spreading in the UK very fast, even though we have much better sanitation, and have mostly all been wearing masks and washing our hands, etc, should mean that its a really infectious strain, and we should be very very cautious.

B.1.617.2 is now over 2442 cases in the UK, and is over 11% of all Covid infections detected at the moment.

Porton Down would never have had 1.3 Billion test subjects to play with, Covid has over 7 Billion.
It's already been through a good few thousand iterations, looking for a better way to infect and spread.
We were always bound to get a 'good one', as I've said many times before.
The probabilities are just so huge, that it has to happen.

We don't need to weaponize Covid, Nature is doing a very good job itself.
Probably a lot better than what we could come up with, because Covid doesn't have a conscience, and doesn't give a crap if it accidentally wipes out Humanity.
Someone in a Lab might.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

No and the original was carefully invented, tested and approved by Oxford & Cambridge Universirty on Green Monkeys. Reasons why are obvious.

a reply to: steaming
Sorry, no what?
Are you saying that Astra Zeneca shot is not made with chimp poo?

The Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccine is made from a cold-causing adenovirus that was isolated from the stool of chimpanzees and modified so that it no longer replicates in cells.

www.nature.com...

Article dated November 2020.

Or are you saying, no .....not just India astra shot?

a reply to: angelchemuel

I don’t think anyone is blaming the Indian people for a lack of sanitation - I know I’m not. I blame the infrastructure, or lack of it. It’s an infrastructure half implemented by the British, rough shot over the existing ancient culture, and abandoned to them when we pulled out of the country. I was there 20 years ago and maybe things have changed, but I saw a country trapped in limbo between ancient culture and an already archaic, failing series of new systems, as I said introduced by the british.

Corruption’s rife and that together with a cruel caste system seemed to be preventing any kind of emancipation for the masses. It was sad and tragic mess tbh and a truism among travellers that anyone saying they understood India was deluded, or lying. It seemed that accepting contradiction was fundamental to accepting India. I gained a great deal of respect for the working class folk of India, life is a daily struggle and they cope with more serenity than I might muster.

I watched funeral pyres on the Ganges in Varanasi at close quarters, realising the debris of countless pyres were no doubt attaching to the soles of my shoes at that moment. Bodies carried to the river and set sail into water that masses of locals will enter the next morning to wash. Public railways station toilets that require you to squat inches above a multicoloured assortment left by the many previous visitors, because there is no easy way to wash the faeces into the hole without filling and pouring water with the sometimes provided ladle; apparently not many visitors could be bothered. Take the endless corrugated shanty towns you pass when leaving a city, such as Mumbai; if done in the morning you’d see lines upon lines of men, women and children squatting virtually shoulder to shoulder, emptying their bowels along the train track.

Do I blame, or look down on Indians for any of this. No! Nor do they want the patronising pity I have for the people born to this kind of existence. The people that live this existence will know better than any of us that they’re forced to risk infection more than most in the world and will do all they can to sanitise and protect their loved ones from covid. But that’s just not as straightforward or mildly inconvenient as it is for us. I don’t think anyone would suggest a lazy or ignorant lack of hygiene is responsible for the Indian infection rate.

The rice poverty and lack of infrastructure, combined with traditions that exacerbate infection is imo beyond doubt the cause. If someone’s travelled the low roads of India they’ll not need a conspiracy theory to understand why the virus is devastating the country. That doesn’t mean conspiracy isn’t present, but it isn’t a necessary component.

I agree that the fact that the first wave wasn’t so bad is indeed perplexing. But I’m not perplexed as to why the second wave is so bad, but why the first wave wasn’t.

My heart goes out to the drs and nurses in Indian hospitals trying more than ever to cope with huge numbers and little resources. We think we’ve had it bad, I imagine there is no comparison.

originally posted by: angelchemuel

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: MonkeyBalls2

I have to concur regarding India. I’ve backpacked extensively through the country and introducing Covid there is like walking around a gunpowder factory in the dark using a flaming torch to see what’s in the boxes.

Bollocks! See my answer to MB2.
Also note your language, bolded part mine.

Rainbows
Jane

Are you saying my subconscious thinks Covid was artificially introduced there? And there was me thinking I’d set aside my saville row tin foil hat for this one, but all the while my subconscious had grabbed it

a reply to: McGinty

Sanitation , Depravity, poverty reasons give rise to Dangerous Fungi etc. Are caused by lack of Gov't care and so on.

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www.planetcustodian.com...

Had one friend who spent much time in India as a Missionary. He passed away last December.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk...
www.thelancet.com...(04)16746-9/fulltext
www.sciencemediacentre.org...
www.acsh.org...

a reply to: steaming
Can you copy and quote from one of your links, to make your point please?

I am not reading through all the links to find what you are saying...... especially when you have not said what you are saying lol.

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2
We don't need to weaponize Covid, Nature is doing a very good job itself.
Probably a lot better than what we could come up with, because Covid doesn't have a conscience, and doesn't give a crap if it accidentally wipes out Humanity.

But, my understanding is that when virus's mutate 'naturally', it is more usual for them to become less fatal, so that they don't inadvertently kill off the host population (humanity in this case).

a reply to: MonkeyBalls2

My apologies, I did not mean to be curt or rude to you at all. I just sat down and typed.
This online conversation would be better verbally

There's a lot of 'back history' that needs to be pieced together with the India situation, and I still maintain this variant is man made and will continue to believe so until quite literally proven otherwise.

I genuinely and honestly feel for the Indian's right now, I really do. They are being played like a political football. They didn't play by the 'rules of the game'. Politics is behind what is happening there.
As to the new variant landing on our shores in the UK. No bloomin' wonder when 20,000 came in during the 'window' Johnson allowed before flights were stopped.

We don't need to weaponize Covid, Nature is doing a very good job itself.

Of course places like PD are going to weaponize it....why wouldn't they? Also, basic A&P tells you that once infected with the original, the mutation is so small your body/immune system will already be primed to adapt to it. How many of these new cases of the Indian variant are actually in hospital or even dying of it here in the UK? Hmmmm? Not one has been reported. The MSM would be all over it and we would be hearing daily reports of people in UK dying. Today's death total is 11. Just 11 people with no mention whatsoever that they were due to new variants.

Have a watch of this video and have your analytical head on please.
Mutations and bio-weapons

Still friends

Rainbows
Jane

PS, just another interesting statistic, During WWII India's population was 378,000,000 now, 80 years later it is 1,391,790,362, not a bad increase for a country that has such poor sanitation and hygiene is it. Covid is the least of their worries.






PPS, Some of the photo's being used of the bodies in the Ganges etc have been proven to be from 2015.
Photo's from 2015

a reply to: lostgirl
Absolutely correct!

Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: Itisnowagain

My point WAS / IS a reply to angelchemuel for previous chats. Just for what it is worth, their are multiple reasons for the india Vaccine being - at that time - made in india. The UK vaccine and I have had 2 jabs, is made here in the UK. At a leter / more recent artice it was found how many tragedies in India , were found to be possibly caused by , a particular Black Fungus. I did not forward the original to your goodself, as mentioned above. Now what is your desperate questuin, seeing how UK Vaccine is Crystal clear and safe, while at the time India vaccination was seen as brownish coloured.#
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The original annual flu jab was made in egg shells and took several weeks. The said reason for adopting the UK Green and India Chimp' matter is simply to speed up production and save mone.

The -RNA AU GC - and not thyamine - of the Human DNA lysome line is the same as that in the said Covid 19. Did you read about the Miners - many years back - of China, who were sent to the Copper mine to clear Guano and fell victim to a pneumic illness. etc. which was kept quiet yet later said to have been possibly amalgamated a sars virus etc.; #
Cheeer
Please expect no more replies. too busy studying Biology.

originally posted by: lostgirl

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2
We don't need to weaponize Covid, Nature is doing a very good job itself.
Probably a lot better than what we could come up with, because Covid doesn't have a conscience, and doesn't give a crap if it accidentally wipes out Humanity.

But, my understanding is that when virus's mutate 'naturally', it is more usual for them to become less fatal, so that they don't inadvertently kill off the host population (humanity in this case).

I may be wrong, but I think it probably has mutated many thousands of times - perhaps every time it transfers to a new host. Most of those mutations make it no more/no less deadly/infectious than it already is. We don’t notice these. As for the mutations that make it less virulent - perhaps that could explain India seeming to have ‘conquered’ (quoting Modi) the virus in the first wave.

Point is there probably are tens of thousands of mutations, but only those making it a lot worse make the headlines.

a reply to: McGinty

As the virus is a brainless without any awareness of self why would it mutate to prevent the Host from dying?
It exists, it replicates, it doesn't exist.
The new replicated particles leave the hosts and like dust gathers in the air and on to surfaces. Then, unless it outer surface is damaged, when a particle comes into contact with an ace2 receptor, in any living host, the chemical signal activates and the cycle begins again.


Does an Escape variant mutation just escape because the host immune system doesn't recognise the chemical signature/bonds in time to prevent it from exiting the host or is it because it defeated the hosts immune system defenses and replicated? If it's the latter than the new host could be in serious trouble.

a reply to: puzzled2

Hi puzzled2! I’m enjoying your excellent regular videos and info - thanks for posting.

I think maybe you’ve replied to me by mistake, or more likely I’ve cocked up what I was trying to say.

In my post you’ve replied to I wasn’t saying the virus prevents the host from dying. But simply that each time the virus transfers from one person to another that may incur a mutation and that most of those mutations are probably innocuous, so they’re not accounted for. Whereas the the mutations that make Covid more dangerous in anyway has obvious repercussions and gets plenty of media coverage. This can make it seem as though the only mutations happening are bad ones.

Apologies to all if I made that point poorly. Also, I defer to Amedddoc to correct my guess work and half recollected info if he happens upon this..

a reply to: steaming

Now what is your desperate questuin,

The question:
Do you believe that the Astra Zeneca shot being given to the UK population is not made from chimp poo?

Yes or no?