Corona Virus Updates Part 3

originally posted by: TrustNO1evr
In Tn here , a co worker had flu and ended up in hospital with pneumonia. Made it through fine but still 👨‍🚀🧐a reply to: liejunkie01

Same here, a good friend just got out of the hospital after a 4 day stay. He couldn't shake it and they admitted him.

They are not testing for it.

originally posted by: Mateo96

I'm an architect, but I think to remember that, as a rule of thumb, viruses tend to have a big mutation that derives into a new strain every 15 days or so, so if this is the only mayor strain divergence so far... I'd say it's actually mutating quite slowly?

Not that I really know beans about how a virus would mutate, but it would seem to me that they are not operating as a hive mind. They are all individual virus particles and as such wouldn't they mutate independently from every other particle? So there could be many MANY different mutated strains of them out there concurrently, with mutations all in different directions.

Does that sound right?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

Unlike 2008, this drop is for fully technical reasons. Manufacturing has slowed to a full stop due to external issues not related to demand in any way. Even outside of China the manufacturing plants depend heavily on Chinese manufacture components, and China has been shut down full stop for almost 6 weeks now. The time is now for the rest of the world to start manufacturing components. I have no idea how quickly a plant can be converted to manufacture microchips, but the US and Mexico had better get started on whatever conversions are needed immediately.

I don't think it's going to matter much where stuff is manufactured REAL SOON. People are going to just stop buying stuff, period. No going to the malls, no ordering online. Dead stop. At least for non-essential items. Personally I don't want a package showing up here via the common carriers handled by who knows how many people. I don't want to run to the post office any more than necessary, just to pick up bills, then pay them. Yes, I still get paper bills and pay by check. Maybe that is something I need to change real soon.

I am stocking up on stuff so I can lock down the place and stay put for as long as reasonably needed. I don't want to have to go out beyond my gate any more times than absolutely necessary, and I certainly don't want anyone coming IN through the gate. So I am done buying stuff for the duration. I expect I might get a call from my credit card companies to check on me to make sure I am OK.

Fortunately I am retired and collecting SS both federal and state. That is enough for the wife and I to live on, so no having to run out for jobs. My goal is to try REAL hard to be among the small percentage that doesn't catch this bug at all. No matter how many waves of it.

IMHO.

originally posted by: tennisdawg

China tried to keep the lid on it by locking down Wuhan early, then releasing a normal coronavirus in the same area, and surrounding communities. They did not release the bioweapon, but knew that they had stolen it from the USA. At first, they did believe this was an accident from their own lab. Within days, they were aware that it was released near their lab intentionally. Now, here we are with the same deep state players trying to throw gas on the fire in Iran.

I would think this would be an act of war. Since we are not seeing mushroom clouds right now, I assume that China doesn't actually know who the "deep state players" are?

Heck, for that matter, if the "deep state players" were known, I would guess that no place on Earth would be a safe harbor for them. I would be in favor of nuking them myself for engaging in this sort of insanity. I wouldn't care who it is.

IMHO.

If, when it arrives in Ireland, the hospital's won't be capable. As it is people are already suffering. Google Irish health care and you'll know what I mean..

Consultant warns 'no capacity' to deal with coronavirus outbreak; Harris predicts Irish case likely
www.irishexaminer.com... 752.html?utm_source=androidapp&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=sharebutton

Coronavirus: How likely is it to come to Ireland? And can the health service cope with an outbreak? jrnl.ie...

a reply to: Rich Z

I have actually been thinking about buying Amazon stock. IIRC, their last shareholder meeting, they projected higher profits because of "online grocery services." (preppers are likely upping their biz now too)

I have focused on stocking the freezer, and am starting the garden seeds in the greenhouse next week. (Virginia) Although I have a good supply of everything we need to comfortably hole up for a 4-8 week storm, I really dont expect it to get so bad that I cant order canned and dry goods from Amazon. And being canned and dry, I can just leave them sit in the garage for a week before I touch them. Here, cases of canned goods are slightly cheaper from Amazon than from Costco or Giant.

OTOH, I would expect business to crash at all shops, eat-out places and social places, as soon as there are known "wild" cases in the US.

ATM, nobody seems concerned here. Went shopping for final supplies and stopped at bank. Didn't see a single mask (other than one burka), and I was the only person wearing gloves.

I've seen a lot of people asking when to go out and do a last top up of supplies.

For me that was Italy quarantining and the run on shops this caused.

IMO it's already here and starting to spread and we could get a quarantine any day - yes still could be weeks away/never happen but I don't want to be sat watching the news thinking why didn't I grab a few extra bits.

UK - if you ask at the pharmacist desk you can still get Ibuprofen in packs of 96 rather than the 16's on the shelf.

So heading out now just in case (shops are empty at this time too )

Patients Moving into NorCal "Shelter"

CDC wants to move 50-70 confirmed Coronavirus cases to a facility deemed unsuitable for a homeless shelter.

CDC also reports only 35 officially confirmed cases in all of USA.

I'm still waiting for an answer about the number discrepency…

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The mortality rate for critically-ill coronavirus patients is high—greater than that for SARS, according to a new study analyzing that cohort of patients in virus epicenter Wuhan.

Chinese researchers, in a Feb. 24 study published on The Lancet, examined 52 critically ill patients admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) of Wuhan Jin Yin-tan hospital between late December 2019 and Jan. 26, and found that 32—61.5 percent—later died.

All of those patients had died within 28 days of admission to the ICU, it found. The median duration from ICU admission to death was seven days.

www.theepochtimes.com...

originally posted by: sirlancelot

One can only speculate but considering the US response its is most likely a lack of reporting that is giving us false hope! Blows me away S Korea is testing and getting positive infections yet the US is hardly doing any testing and we are still at only 15 from none DP infections. I understand trying to avoid panic but what happens when a big city like philly has a surge and what happened with the Spanish flu occurs and walllahhh wherever their is infections it will be the wild wild west.

If the possibility of danger isn't being reported, then most people won't know about it, and accordingly will not prepare for it.

Heck, my wife told me last week of her sister and family were leaving for Disney World/Epcot in Orlando this past Thursday. Florida is tight lipped about what is going on, so suppose there are hundreds of "suspected" infections there? Had they known of this, would they still have gone there? If the "suspected" become "confirmed" then how many people will be negatively affected from being exposed by a pathogen that they could have potentially avoided if armed with the needed knowledge?

Personally, I feel that any government agency engaging in keeping this info from the public is being criminally negligent. They are violating the purpose and trust for which they were hired to do for US.

IMHO.

Hello ATS Folks a little current update from Japan

News is reporting but this stuff is not in print yet. Just want to make this clear. NO BS from me

1. a possible drug/treatment might (edited: error in translation) ( not sure if this is to pump up peoples hope, the Minister of Health is on TV now with the positive speech that it may be in the works
2. the work force will be effected (by how much, maybe mild, or can go in unknown territory)
3. Japan will start quarantining areas of high concentration of infected people (yes, you heard it right) so please people think before you head to Japan. Remember the CDC said 2 days ago about Level 2 to traveling to Japan.
4. the test for the corona virus is NOT covered yet by the National Health Insurance here, I guess that is why, many countries are not testing for it yet unless ... (don't know)
5. it is possible that in 30 or if situation drastically changes here, virus test might then go under the NHI provisions
6. it is possible a shut down of the educational system if things get out of control (might be temporary) Japan's school system varies from prefecture to prefecture and by islands also
7. disruption in freight is a real possibility
8. shortages of supplies made abroad is something we now have to consider (short term or long term, must be prepared)

OK, that's it for now. Stay tune for the 7 o'clock news.

Nothing was said yet about new infections in Japan ( if it was, I may have missed it)

The real big news is "Japan will quarantine areas if necessary".
I have mention I said that Japan is following other countries yet will take their own approach, but seems like what China has done is catching on worldwide .

originally posted by: Trillium
Patients Moving into NorCal "Shelter"

CDC wants to move 50-70 confirmed Coronavirus cases to a facility deemed unsuitable for a homeless shelter.

CDC also reports only 35 officially confirmed cases in all of USA.

I'm still waiting for an answer about the number discrepency…

twitter.com...

There is only one source for that "50-70 cases" quote.. A random guy on Twitter..

They did relocate 2 confirmed cases to hospitals in Napa County and 3 other severe cases to Omaha, Nebraska.

a reply to: musicismagic

Sounds like exactly like what S Korea has just begun implementing..

All of those seem like reasonable, although somewhat conservative actions.

a reply to: johnb

Here is something to think about:

watching the "breakout countries" other than China, it looks like the pattern is that as soon as the virus is wild in the neighborhood, the entire neighborhood rushes to the stores to stock up and strip the shelves.

Sounds like perfect conditions to spread the virus, everyone takes home a free sample.

originally posted by: Oleman
a reply to: johnb

Here is something to think about: watching at the "breakout countries" other than China, it looks like the pattern is that as soon as the virus is wild in the neighborhood, the entire neighborhood rushes to the stores to stock up and strip the shelves. Sounds like perfect conditions to spread the virus, everyone takes home a free sample.

Allows follows that pattern for sure. Luckily we have ATS to help us along.

Here's a brief summary out of Italy:

- Numbers nearly doubled in 1 day
- 50,000 people on lockdown.
- 3 month imprisonment if lockdown is breached
- 6 fatalities
- 229 confirmed cases
- Police blocked roads
- Schools shut in northern Italy. (28 million in northern Italy)
- Italian military deployed.

originally posted by: clay2 baraka

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: bally001

Indeed, now it's gone from fires to floods to pandemics, bloody he'll at least there's hasn't been a volcano ....yet.

You missed the plague of locusts. www.france24.com...

I for one, am going for Giant Meteor aka. "fire from heavens."

Yeah they're in Africa too I think, locusts plagues ...no Thanks far to biblical.

originally posted by: clay2 baraka
Here's a brief summary out of Italy:

- Numbers nearly doubled in 1 day
- 50,000 people on lockdown.
- 3 month imprisonment if lockdown is breached
- 6 fatalities
- 229 confirmed cases
- Police blocked roads
- Schools shut in northern Italy. (28 million in northern Italy)
- Italian military deployed.

# eh, I guess we will find out if military folk will actually shoot citizens if it came down to it.

This is getting all too real.

Seven Russians quarantined in Vladivostok upon arrival from Diamond Princess - Authorities

Citizens will be in the infectious diseases hospital for 14 days, where they will undergo all necessary lab tests. In addition, all biological materials of these citizens will be additionally examined at the State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology Vector in Novosibirsk," the government said.

www.bernama.com...

I hadn't heard attribution before this:

Reportedly, the disease was brought to Iran by a businessman from Iran's Qom city, who went on a business trip to China, despite official warnings. The man died later from the disease."

From Turkey considers ways of evacuating its citizens from Iran[