Exposing the Monster Behind Every Religion- Lucifer Decoded Documentary Series by: Soulsurfer

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: SoulSurfer

We don't always have a choice, that's just a fallacy, connected with hope, it's like free will, illusory at best, but something that humans cannot live without.
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Why So Many Violent Crimes Now? (Awake!—2003)

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DOOMED TO VIOLENCE?

Some argue that the propensity for violence or killing has always been inborn in humans. Supporters of evolution maintain that we come from wild animals and have simply inherited their violent characteristics. Such theories would leave us doomed to an endless cycle of violence from which there is no hope of escape.

However, there is much evidence to the contrary. The theories mentioned above do not explain why in different cultures there are wide variations in frequency and types of violence. They do not indicate why in some cultures responding with violence seems to be the norm, whereas other societies report very little violence, with murder almost nil. Psychoanalyst Erich Fromm exposed cracks in the theory that we inherit aggression from primates by pointing out that although some of them are violent as a result of physical needs or for self-protection, humans are the only ones who have been known to kill for the sheer thrill of killing.

In their book The Will to Kill​—Making Sense of Senseless Murder, Professors James Alan Fox and Jack Levin state: “Some individuals are more prone to violence than others, yet free will still exists. The will to kill, though governed by numerous internal and external forces, still includes choice and human decision making, and thus accountability and culpability.”

In the Bible there is a series of descriptions of what true love is or entails, at 1 Corinthians 13:4-7. Somewhere towards the end it mentions that love "rejoices with the truth." What you said about free will and choice is not true (/correct, without error), it is incorrect/false. You are expressing a belief in a falsehood/error. A belief that is incidentally also used by some people to avoid accountability and culpability for certain behaviour that is incompatible with true love as the Bible describes it; the spreading of that which is false (darkness), or opposes truth (light), as if it's true (light) and vice versa, included in that which is incompatible (not just violence as per the subject of the article above, another form of figurative darkness).

John 3:19-21

Now this is the basis for judgment: that the light has come into the world, but men have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked. 20 For whoever practices vile things hates the light and does not come to the light, so that his works may not be reproved.* [Or “exposed.”] 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that his works may be made manifest as having been done in harmony with God.”

Isaiah 5:20,21

20 Woe to those who say that good is bad and bad is good,

Those who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness,

Those who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

21 Woe to those wise in their own eyes

And discreet in their own sight!

Details:

Can You Control Your Destiny? (preceding page: What Controls Your Future?)

The Marvelous Gift of Free Will (Awake!—1990)
Treasure Your Gift of Free Will

Relationship to God’s foreknowledge:

Foreknowledge, Foreordination (Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1)

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: vethumanbeing

andy06shake: Prove it its not real.

... Prove your soul (an individualization in process) that has no measure of mass or energy is real.

In direct contrast with the Greek teaching of the psy·kheʹ (soul) as being immaterial, intangible, invisible, and immortal, the Scriptures show that both psy·kheʹ and neʹphesh (the Hebrew word for soul), as used with reference to earthly creatures, refer to that which is material, tangible, visible, and mortal.

Babylon Lays Religious Foundations for World Deception (1964)

WHEN a person or a nation turns away from God and true worship as outlined in his Word the Bible, such ones inescapably turn to the worship of something else. Due to man’s inborn nature he will worship or look up to something else as superior. It may be the worship of a national leader or of the State; it may be the debasing worship of animals or inanimate things. History has shown that this gives rise to a multitude of gods, some nations today having gods almost as numerous as the population. [whereislogic: Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it. A person can even let his belly be a god. (Ro 16:18; Php 3:18, 19)]

Along with the increase in gods a multiplication of false doctrines sets in, poisoning the minds of men more and more and binding them more tightly in fear and in slavery to their false religion. ...
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BABYLON’S TEACHING ON SOUL SICKENS THE NATIONS

Another outstanding feature about the religion of Babylon is that it taught the immortality of the human soul. Of course, when Babylon deified the first king, Nimrod, at his death, which is not described in the Bible, it had to attribute immortality of soul to Nimrod, or Merodach. In the Babylonian myth about Gilgamesh, whom some investigators try to identify with Nimrod, this half-man and half-god Gilgamesh sought immortality of his human body, in other words, indestructible life on earth. In the twelfth book of the epic of Gilgamesh he is granted an interview with his dead one-time companion, who “describes the gloomy abode of the afterworld, and tells of the various futures that await the dead, according to the manner of their ends.”—The Encyclopedia Americana, edition of 1929, Volume 12, page 654.

In the Babylonian religion Nergal was the god of the underworld and his wife Eresh-kigal was the sovereign lady thereof. Showing that the Babylonians did not believe in the immortality of the human body but did believe in the immortality of what the Greeks called a psykhé or “soul,” we read the following concerning “the last things” as understood by the Babylonians:

After death the souls of men were supposed to continue in existence. It can hardly be called life. The place to which they have gone is called the “land of no return. There they lived in dark rooms amid the dust and the bats covered with a garment of feathers, and under the dominion of Nergal and Eresh-kigal. When the soul arrived among the dead he had to pass judgment before the judges of the dead, the Annunaki, but little has been preserved for us concerning the manner of this judgment. There seems to have been at times an idea that it might be possible for the dead to return again to life, for in this underworld there was the water of life, which was used when the god Tammuz returned again to earth [as vegetation]. The Babylonians . . . placed often with the dead articles which might be used in his future existence. . . . In the future world there seem to have been distinctions made among the dead. Those who fell in battle seem to have had special favor. They received fresh water to drink, while those who had no posterity to put offerings at their graves suffered sore and many deprivations. . . . The Babylonian doctrine was that man, though of Divine origin, did not share in the Divine attribute of immortality [that is, immortality of his body].—The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Volume 1, page 373.

Along with astrology, fear of demons and trinity, this teaching, as originated in Babylon and propagated among the peoples of earth, led to the unscriptural doctrines of hellfire, purgatory, reincarnation, transmigration of souls and spiritism, with which all nations and most of their religionists are being spiritually sickened to death. If your religion holds any of these doctrines, you can be sure it is Babylon-contaminated and constitutes one of the false religious strongholds springing from the rebellious Babylonish source.

These are only a few of the deceptions founded in ancient demon-dominated Babylon, as a base on which the invisible deceiver, Satan the Devil, builds a religious structure for world deception. Babylon suffered a fall when Jehovah God confused the language of its builders at the Tower of Babel, but it was not destroyed at that time. Later it passed from the hands of Hamitic rulers to Shemite rulers, but this did not turn aside the doom to which it had been condemned by God. The foretold destruction befell the famed city and at last its very location became unknown. But what is the Greater Babylon, foretold in the Bible to fall with a tremendous crash? Further Bible investigation will reveal this.

Babylon the Great (Reasoning From the Scriptures)

Definition: ... In time, Babylonish religious beliefs and practices spread to many lands. So Babylon the Great became a fitting name for false religion as a whole.
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Ancient Babylonian religious concepts and practices are found in religions worldwide
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Belief regarding death: “Neither the people nor the leaders of religious thought [in Babylon] ever faced the possibility of the total annihilation of what once was called into existence. Death was a passage to another kind of life.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, p. 556.
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originally posted by: SoulSurfer
I decided to make this post since I began doing my research while i was here on ATS.

Not a particularly effective place to begin doing your research unless you have developed an effective means to discern/distinguish facts/truths from fiction and falsehoods.

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How can you protect yourself from the types of people that the Bible calls “profitless talkers” and “deceivers of the mind”? (Titus 1:10) Once you are familiar with some of their tricks, you are in a better position to evaluate any message or information that comes your way. Here are some ways to do this.

Be selective: A completely open mind could be likened to a pipe that lets just anything flow through it—even sewage. No one wants a mind contaminated with poison. Solomon, a king and educator in ancient times, warned: “Anyone inexperienced puts faith in every word, but the shrewd one considers his steps.” (Proverbs 14:15) So we need to be selective. We need to scrutinize whatever is presented to us, deciding what to accept and what to reject.

However, we do not want to be so narrow that we refuse to consider facts that can improve our thinking. How can we find the right balance? By adopting a standard with which to measure new information. Here a Christian has a source of great wisdom. He has the Bible as a sure guide for his thinking. On the one hand, his mind is open, that is, receptive to new information. He properly weighs such new information against the Bible standard and fits what is true into his pattern of thinking. On the other hand, his mind sees the danger of information that is entirely inconsistent with his Bible-based values.

Use discernment: Discernment is “acuteness of judgment.” It is “the power or faculty of the mind by which it distinguishes one thing from another.” A person with discernment perceives subtleties of ideas or things and has good judgment.

Using discernment, we will be able to recognize those who are merely using “smooth talk and complimentary speech” in order to “seduce the hearts of guileless ones.” (Romans 16:18) Discernment enables you to discard irrelevant information or misleading facts and distinguish the substance of a matter. But how can you discern when something is misleading?

Put information to the test: ...

Source: Do Not Be a Victim of Propaganda! (Awake!—2000)
Quoting you again:

Think of this as the revelation of mystery babylon, mother of harlots.

You get quite a few things wrong about Babylon the Great and it sounds like you haven't even scratched the surface. You may begin doing so by researching some of the things I quoted on the subject of Mother-goddess worship in the thread called Geologist: ''Jesus was married with a child and tomb found''. Since that seems to be a topic that piques your interest.

Or perhaps these warnings may be of help:


Trinity Doctrine, A False Teaching Of Man, Council of Nicaea (context playlist)

Don't miss:
Vatican Seeks to Eliminate Use of the Divine Name


“The name of Jehovah is a strong tower. Into it the righteous runs and is given protection.”—Prov. 18:10.

Try to stay on track. Truth is simple. Darkness is a quickmire of intrigues, supposed conspiracies and a multitude of ideas/philosophies, a complicated mess that can keep you quite busy trying to figure it out.





Hope that's not too much, but at least it can keep a person busy filling their minds with what is actually spiritually healthy (see my signature and text under my profilename or the start of this comment).

a reply to: whereislogic

It's not any unequivocal proof and clears up just feck all I'm afraid.

Not that it's not of interest, but who would have guessed?

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Your personal experience.

You cant experience other's perspectives. LoL

What are you a Trill?

Take a joke with the Schizophrenia interpretation, it was aimed at levity, not a dig.

Like i said before mate you play the cards you are dealt, you don't get to change them out, chance or so it seems is a fine thing for some, and a disaster in the making for the rest.

Luck of the draw im afraid, life that is.

a reply to: whereislogic

You're right, I barely even scratched the surface. Every day i find more and more evidences to support what is stated in the OP. And if you use the deep web, you can find even... stranger things.

Aye I have eyes to discern.

Aside from that in my daily research I also use the bible as a tool for discernment. Proverbs 7 warns of the adulteress while in the book of revelations warns of the Jezebel and babylon in the end times. It also warned that in the end times there would be those preaching lawlessness, or those dismissing God's laws. This too is happening now as we witness the moral decline in society.

There is more to the law than meets the eye. The law is also divine protection. Remove the law, and when they start preaching "Peace and Safety" well.. read the passage in Thessalonians for yourself...

1 Thessalonians 5:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

To those that have eyes that see and ears that hear and have their hearts for the being men call God. Christian prophecy is being fulfilled. And that is a scary thought on its own. To those who want to get it right, keep the commandments. (Study Natural Divine Law and the seven virtues) That is, if you want to make it to the other side.

(Im just a messenger, dont shoot. If you're not a christian, then this message wasnt meant for you. Though you are welcomed to receive it just the same. )

Revelation 18:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: SoulSurfer

Science has not disproved the existence of God.

That's because the scientific method cant prove a negative. That's a trick of semantics and you know it.

Its not a negative at all. Its similar to proving that eyesight exists to a blind person. Just because people are blind doesn't mean light doesn't exist. In the end, blind people can only believe the existance of light, on faith.

Many people on the spiritual path experience temporary episodes of enlightenment. So they no longer operating on faith but on confirmation of their beliefs. These experiences, like hearing the thoughts of everyone around you, like they were your own, is something that in spiritual sense, is our normal state.

Besides hasn't Quantum Physics already confirmed that separation Is an iIllusion.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

I really admire your conviction SoulSurfer. But Sun Tzu's in the Art of War stated. "know your enemy".

Do you know your enemy?

I believe our spiritual journey runs through stages. In one of the final stages, we loose trust, in all our faiths. We start to question what are truths and lie's, in the quantum well, where only vibrations exists, Perhaps its the seeking of dualities in all that noise that keeps us from being one with God.

Just a thought.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Your personal experience.You cant experience other's perspectives. LoL
What are you a Trill?

I have never been described as a piano lesson; always objectionable is being told ONE CAN'T do something (too parochial).

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Ile try and make it simple for you.

You can appreciate and attempt to understand another person's perspective.

Empathize with there position or predicament, try and imagine yourself in their shoes.

But you cannot share the same perspective, which by definition is a personal experience.

That's not parochial that's just how it is since everyone is an individual.

And until someone comes up with or invents the fabled Point of View Gun our outlook and scope, will never be anything other than our own.

a reply to: glend

Technically they could feel the heat of the light on there face if it was say the Sun or another strong enough light source, even if they were blind, but i get the premise of the argument.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Ile try and make it simple for you.
You can appreciate and attempt to understand another person's perspective.
Empathize with there position or predicament, try and imagine yourself in their shoes.
But you cannot share the same perspective, which by definition is a personal experience.
That's not parochial that's just how it is since everyone is an individual.
And until someone comes up with or invents the fabled Point of View Gun our outlook and scope, will never be anything other than our own.

YOU cannot appreciate and attempt to understand another person's perspective. YOU cannot ATTEMPT to Empathize. YOU cannot share the same perspective because YOU view yourself separate or distinguished OR unable to relate to from (a speculated) 8.7 million specie living on this planet. This must be a very lonely existence; not being able to relate to anything but oneself.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I can relate to whatever i wish, but nobody can be something they are not, including someone else.

I can do many a thing but only ever being me.

Quite simple really, as is your understanding of what perspective actually is.

Read a dictionary mate. LoL

Just because you can relate to someone does not mean you share the same perspective no matter how much you attempt to do so.

originally posted by: glend

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: SoulSurfer

Science has not disproved the existence of God.

That's because the scientific method cant prove a negative. That's a trick of semantics and you know it.

Its not a negative at all. Its similar to proving that eyesight exists to a blind person. Just because people are blind doesn't mean light doesn't exist. In the end, blind people can only believe the existance of light, on faith.

Many people on the spiritual path experience temporary episodes of enlightenment. So they no longer operating on faith but on confirmation of their beliefs. These experiences, like hearing the thoughts of everyone around you, like they were your own, is something that in spiritual sense, is our normal state.

Besides hasn't Quantum Physics already confirmed that separation Is an iIllusion.

Blind people know that light exists because they can feel the radiance on their skin, they can sense energy the same way you feel a breeze and know that someone just passed by you, even if you didn't see or hear them. Being blind is not the same as being utterly devoid of sense, and that's the difference between extrapolation and faith. I don't need to look down while climbing stairs to know where the next step will be or how to position my legs. And it's always funny to see someone using quantum physics to argue with established newtonian physics, like somehow cats are just magically teleporting out of thin air because entanglement. Silly logic. As for enlightenment, the holy ghost principle, it's more of an emotion than an actual idea of how reality functions, like peace of mind is less a strategy and more an attitude. Wrap it up in all the new age spirit language you want but it's still just mental discipline, your own psychology that you wrestled into the "magic yoga shape" for self esteem and universal acceptance.

a reply to: TzarChasm

You fail to understand my point. Lets take your example of infrared energy detectable on the skin. That infrared light isn't detectable by human eyesight. So if our senses have boundaries. Then our resulting perception of reality also has boundaries. On top of that we have a brain that wants to record sensory data in absolutes. If time and space is relative to the observer then our brains view of reality is not absolute. Additionaly there are so many definations for God, that the label "God", becomes meaningless in itself.

Yes you can say God doesn't exist from your viewpoint.
But you are not in a position to say God doesn't exist from all viewpoints.
Your premise that it results in peace of mind is also flawed, I would prefer, given the chance, a simple death into nonexistance.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

Damn damn damn...That was good. For me, this really ties it all together.

There is natural law, the true path and then there is everything else. The truth is known in the heart and mind. Falseness and deceit are mixed with the true path to lead people astray, basically what organized religion is in for all forms.

A couple of questions for you please: Does natural law grow within an individual by simple aging or does a person need to seek out the path to reveal more and more of the structure? Does everyone have the same potential to realize the true path or are some more able than others, maybe relating to past lives or karma?

a reply to: SoulSurfer

If you know this world/reality is the devils work and playground, can you still enjoy it while observing natural law?

Basically, can I take this world/reality/life with both hands and enjoy as much of it as I can while still observing honor and nobility?

How sure are you that this world is solely the devils domain? Could it be a partnership? If this world is only of the devils domain, how can there be such natural beauty in it and such wonderful displays of the true human soul?

Do you think it is wrong to take pleasure in this life?

Is the devil really what organized religions make it out to be?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: vethumanbeing

andy:I can relate to whatever i wish, but nobody can be something they are not, including someone else.

So; YOU can relate to whatever YOU wish but (for some reason) choose not to; and NOBODY but nobody can be something YOU think they are not.

andy: I can do many a thing but only ever being me. Quite simple really, as is your understanding of what perspective actually is.

Are you living up to your self inflicted injurious standards? I would not want to be within lazarbeam sight range proximity of your razor sharp awareness.

Andy: Read a dictionary mate. LoL
Just because you can relate to someone does not mean you share the same perspective no matter how much you attempt to do so.

I suppose you do not relate to people. Relating is different than merging empathically with another being.

a reply to: glend

Aye I am aware on what the enemy is. It is usually the one in the mirror. The Devil may tempt, but it is us who makes the choice to do either Good or Evil. To lay blame for our choices on anything other than ourselves is counterproductive because we only have ourselves to blame for our own mistakes.

I understand the stages you mean. I went through many of them the past ten years. From Catholic to atheist, from atheist to agnostic, from there i went through new age, to believing in nothing and ultimately natural divine law which brought me back to the christian bible. It is when i began reading the bible through the natural law point of view that I began to understand the real christian teachings. What was blocking my way from understanding the teachings was in fact religion itself.

The hardest part however was learning to forgive. Once you align with the law with all your heart , that is when the real "magic" begins. Something ...may make itself known to you... and IT will reveal your own past errors similar to that allegory involving Scrooge. Though this is accomplished through reflection. You have to still go within yourself to basically untangle the roots of the ego clutter as well as the roots of any trauma you may have within. This is part of the natural law process. But one must seek knowledge of the law via their own choice. The more you learn about the law the better since it helps override the ego. And once that "something" makes itself known to you, It can be a terrifying experience for the ego.

The thing that helps you see where you went wrong in the past is what Christians would call the Holy Spirit. It's within you, but you need the law for it to activate inside your heart. That is why the bible mentions that we must write the laws in the tables of the heart and keep them as the apple of thine eye. However, one thing you need to understand, is that the supreme authority reveals who sees the truth and who does not. So it's not something that can be "taught" via open air. The hero must make the journey. (if you can understand that allegory.)

originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: SoulSurfer

Damn damn damn...That was good. For me, this really ties it all together.

There is natural law, the true path and then there is everything else. The truth is known in the heart and mind. Falseness and deceit are mixed with the true path to lead people astray, basically what organized religion is in for all forms.

A couple of questions for you please: Does natural law grow within an individual by simple aging or does a person need to seek out the path to reveal more and more of the structure? Does everyone have the same potential to realize the true path or are some more able than others, maybe relating to past lives or karma?

It's not something that "grows" in you. It's simply eternally present. The law and the being men call God are one and the same. And yes we are supposed to enjoy ourselves while remaining obedient with the law. from what I am understanding from the Devil's role is mostly to tempt people. It may have dominion but it mostly rules over the lawless. It cannot rule over those who are lawful. Even the devil is on a short leash.

Romans 13:3 King James Version (KJV)


3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

The knowledge is meant for everyone, but the supreme authority will not force it unto anyone because of "free will". I write that in quotes because in reality there is no such thing if you understand that you will suffer the cause and effect of your choices.

Everything we do in life creates ripples, and we are responsible for the ripples we create. Every thought, every action, someone always logs the words.

Just keep the Golden rule, watch your thoughts and dont let them take you over. Always remain within the moral highground. Do not step out of that shadow.

The law is confirmed in this way; if i tell you, that the stove is hot do not touch. You have the responsibility to test whether or not the stove is hot to see if i spoke the truth. If the stove burns you, then the law is confirmed. You reap what you sow.

The same goes for the law of gravity, if i tell you that you will fall if you jump off the cliff, and you jump anyways to your death, then the law is also confirmed. The cause of death was the ignorance (ignoring) the law of gravity. These are merely examples of metaphors and allegories to describe to you what I mean.

The ten commandments can also be viewed through cause and effect:

a reply to: SoulSurfer

Always free will baby, I believe it is one of the greatest gifts given. I also agree on cause and effect of our actions, thoughts and words.

Somewhere earlier you mentioned that this reality/world is a creation of the devil. If this were a sole creation of just that one side of the same coin, would love and compassion exist here? Wouldn't it make more sense to view this reality as a joint creation between two opposites? It would go further to explain the duality of this world.

With all of this information and I do agree with most of it, are you closer to understanding why we are here in the first place? If I missed that summary through your earlier posts, I apologize. Do you believe in reincarnation? Do you believe in the soul?