In the Day They Were Created

a reply to: Eyestosee

Meh, the bible is a fairy tale any way so why does it matter? If a book needs to be explained it is a poorly written book.

a reply to: jidnum
So you're fluent in Hebrew? Or did it take someone to translate it so an explanation could be arrived at?
I had teachers explain Shakespeare to me because I couldn't understand what the hell was going on. Not because it was poorly written, but because it was above my level of understanding. I could've made a poorly reasoned guess at what was going on, I suppose.....

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Quadrivium

H0w c0uId the first be b0rn?

I did not say he had. I simply stated he did not age until the fall. So how long were they in the Garden before being removed?

a reply to: Quadrivium

According to the text in the bible only Adam was removed from the garden east of Eden.

23
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Only Adam was formed from the dust on the ground. Eve was not. Eve was formed East of Eden from Adams ribb. And Eve is neither him or he… Only Adam fit that description of gender.

The interesting thing about verse 23 is that it state that Adam was taken. That would make sence because God created man as male and female in chapter 1. It basically say that Lord God obducted Adam and tok him to the garden he planted east of eden.

Eden is more then just the garden Lord God planted…. Lord God did plant the garden he put Adam in.... east of Eden. That would imply that Eden is much more then just the garden Lord God planted to the east. East of what..? Does this mean that the garden Lord God created and put Adam in never was in Eden but to the east of Eden.....?

a reply to: Quadrivium

I don't see how that matters if the Bible says very specifically Adam
lived 930 yrs then HE what? Just like God said he would. HE FRIGGEN
DIED!

And there is a very long list of how long Adams descendants lived and at
the end of their lives it says they what? THEY FRIGGEN DIED. And scripture
makes a it a big deal for several reasons. Can you list the three reasons?

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Quadrivium

I don't see how that matters if the Bible says very specifically Adam
lived 930 yrs then HE what? Just like God said he would. HE FRIGGEN
DIED!

And there is a very long list of how long Adams descendants lived and at
the end of their lives it says they what? THEY FRIGGEN DIED. And scripture
makes a it a big deal for several reasons. Can you list the three reasons?

Of course they "friggin died".
That is my entire point.
Before the fall they did not age..
They would NOT have died.
They WERE NOT AGING.
Until AFTER they ate of the tree (of knowledge of good and evil).
So if they did not age then there were NO years to count......
Until AFTER they were removed from the garden....
THEN he lived 930 years.
So....
How long was he in the garden?
How long did it take to name every living thing?

a reply to: Quadrivium

So if they did not age then there were NO years to count.....

How so and at best you might be splitting hairs but I doubt it.

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Quadrivium

So if they did not age then there were NO years to count.....

How so and at best you might be splitting hairs but I doubt it.

How so......
If you did not age time would have little to no meaning.
It is hard for us to comprehend because of the short spand we have here.
We count out time here on earth Because WE KNOW WE ARE LIMITED.
Before the fall there was absolutely NO reason to track time.
Once kicked out of the garden they would have begun to age. Time would have meant something.
It was a real concept.
Before the fall it would not have been.

a reply to: Quadrivium

If you did not age time would have little to no meaning.

Doesn't mean time stopped. And I have no problem comprehending
any part of it. The difficulty seems to be yours.

God defines what you're asking perfectly in the very first verse of Genesis.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
.... Time................................space............matter

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Quadrivium

If you did not age time would have little to no meaning.

Doesn't mean time stopped. And I have no problem comprehending
any part of it. The difficulty seems to be yours.

God defines what you're asking perfectly in the very first verse of Genesis.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth
.... Time................................space............matter

But who made god

a reply to: carsforkids

I'm starting to believe one of the gifts from God we can receive is to be a co-creator with God. What a high honor that would be. Don't have the words to describe how awesome that would be. Everything that we saw that was wrong in our lifetime, all the mistakes, the regrets, the sins, we could put back the broken pieces back together again, re-unite our love ones, and co-create with God, new heavenly worlds.

a reply to: LoneBird

I'm starting to believe one of the gifts from God we can receive is to be a co-creator with God. What a high honor that would be. Don't have the words to describe how awesome that would be. Everything that we saw that was wrong in our lifetime, all the mistakes, the regrets, the sins, we could put back the broken pieces back together again, re-unite our love ones, and co-create with God, new heavenly worlds.

We have a Father in Heaven who can exceed anything in the
imagination we have been given. When we love someone in
this life is it not rewarding? If a knight would die for his king is
it not honorable? And yet our King has died for us. You see
clearly what many do not.

a reply to: TzarChasm

But who made god

No one

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: TzarChasm

But who made god

No one

How does that work. A watchmaker needs a watchmaker maker.

a reply to: TzarChasm

A watchmaker needs a watchmaker maker.

Really what is that like a rule?

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: TzarChasm

A watchmaker needs a watchmaker maker.

Really what is that like a rule?

Deductive reasoning. Like a watch can't just spontaneously assemble itself but a watch engineer can? Its an effing metaphor for the "creation" of the universe. Do I have to draw a picture?

a reply to: TzarChasm

Deductive reasoning. Like a watch can't just spontaneously assemble itself but a watch engineer can? Its an effing metaphor for the "creation" of the universe. Do I have to draw a picture?

How far in the past do you think watchmakers go? We talking Buzz
Lightyear to infinity and beyond?

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: TzarChasm

Deductive reasoning. Like a watch can't just spontaneously assemble itself but a watch engineer can? Its an effing metaphor for the "creation" of the universe. Do I have to draw a picture?

How far in the past do you think watchmakers go? We talking Buzz
Lightyear to infinity and beyond?

As far as the beginning of this universe. Have you seriously never heard of the watchmaker analogy? You might want to look it up.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

As far as the beginning of this universe. Have you seriously never heard of the watchmaker analogy? You might want to look it up.

You are using an earthly analogy. A watchmaker is a human limited by time, whereas God is the total embodiment of time - Alpha Omega. God was and always will be existent, and therefore was never born, which is the meaning of "unbegotten". The confusion you are experiencing is like a 2d shadow basing its reality off 2 dimensions, being totally unaware that all shadows are a result of the workings of the higher dimensions.

a reply to: TzarChasm

As far as the beginning of this universe.

So what happens at the beginning of the universe?
Are you saying the universe and the first watchmaker both
just popped into existence at the same time? And the watchmaker
wasn't busy enough making watches, he started making other
watchmakers too? I don't see why the watchmakers can't just keep
going forever backwards by generations even passed the beginning of
the universe?

But then I don't think for one instance you know what you're talking
about when you say things like this.

A watchmaker needs a watchmaker maker.

You gotta source for this kind of information?