What's Behind Socialism's New Appeal Among Americans?

a reply to: ChefFox

Maybe they don't want to have to pay for their elderly parents care and living expenses, while paying for their kids college, whihle still paying off their own student loans.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ChefFox
Maybe they don't want to have to pay for their elderly parents care and living expenses, while paying for their kids college.

Maybe the people who can most afford it can help pay a little more than they currently do to help the people on the bottom:

"According to the Federal Reserve over the last 30 years the top 1% have seen a 21 trillion increase in their wealth. And the bottom 50% have seen a 900 billion decrease in their wealth."

originally posted by: Gothmog

What's Behind Socialism's New Appeal Among Americans?

Should read "young Americans"
Answer
They never had to work a day in their lives , and they don't want that to change.

Or, maybe the problem is not the people on the bottom. Maybe the problem is the people at the top rigging the system in their favor. You know the billionaires giving money to lobbyists. Then the lobbyists force the politicians to pass legislation creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing.

I agree with you all we have too much socialism in this country. I agree with you all we have too much communism in this country. I agree with you all government is the problem. I agree with you all we have a Soviet style single party government. The thing is what we have is not the kind of communism that helps the worker making the median wage. What we have is the kind of communism that just helps the CEO, billionaires, and corporations. What we have is CORPORATE COMMUNISM.

What I disagree with you all on is how we solve the communism problem we have in this country. The way I see it, based on what FDR did after the Great Depression, government is the ONLY ANSWER. The words of FDR ring more true today than ever:

"An old English judge once said: 'Necessitous men are not free men.' Liberty requires opportunity to make a living - a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.

For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor - other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.

Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government."

I remember a lot of you had very harsh criticisms of Obama and the Obama administration. People would say, "Hows that hopey changey thing coming along?" Well, the same is true with Trump. Just as I predicted in 2016 after Trump got elected I said NOTHING WILL CHANGE. So how is the, "Drain the swamp" project coming along. I knew Trump would fail because I'm not a moron and I believe in the words of George Carlin who said, "There's a reason".



NOTHING WILL CHANGE because the real owners of this country will not allow it.

Socialism or whatever, point blank, the banks/government robbed the American People decades ago.

From 1913 thru the 1930's we were gutted in every way imaginable. No real money/wealth, no property rights, socialized taxes, IRS set up to collect the interest, cops to enforce the edicts of the corporate merger with government, and it's been tryanny ever since.

Looking back, its astounding the amount of social/societal manipulation and grooming that went into maintaining the cover of arguably the largest scam in recent history.

We've been brainwashed for over a century that we must earn back what was stolen from us in the first place to have an abundant life.

The gold we were FORCED to turn over to the government and Federal Reserve has been collecting interest since 1933!!

Can you imagine that amount?

But yeah....let's go to work every day and toil to pay off the government's debt.

We are suckers.

Idiots.

Complacent.

Hopeful, which is the most dangerous characteristic to have considering.

That's EXACTLY how they classify us.

Socialism, Communism, Marxism, whatever..

The government OWES THE PEOPLE with interest, not the other way around.

What I find funny is that Republicans don't make a fuss about trillions of tax dollars being spent on bombing #hole countries but if you dare feed the poor or talk about healthcare with my tax dollars then that's evil communism.

a reply to: EternalShadow

My favorite was when the wall street bailout happened. You guys should have stormed the white house when that scheme was announced.

originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: EternalShadow

My favorite was when the wall street bailout happened. You guys should have stormed the white house when that scheme was announced.

And every single loan was paid back with interest !!!!!

Who was THAT joke on again? 😃 🥥 😃

a reply to: Joecanada11

Nope.

We were all too busy standing in line for the next generation "electronic leashes" we covet so much.

Oh, and to be fair, there was and STILL is that other line for welfare and disability "benefits". So.... 🙄

Both hallmarks of a powerless and dependent citizenry.

I'm not encouraged by the prospects of an "uprising" that would only occur if WiFi was shut off. 🙄🙄🙄

a reply to: xuenchen

I really do enjoy your sarcasm! Lol.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Talks cheap
Takes money to buy land.
So , who are the "owners" ?
I will be waiting for a logical , reasonable response.
Not for eternity though...

Just curious, are all you folks so virulently anti-socialism also against corporate welfare and tax-breaks for religious corporations?

If so, why? Either of those are far more socialistic than say ... food stamps or Medicare.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Mike Rowe sums it up pretty succinctly and the most blue collar working man in America doesn't blame Millenials for the crisis this generation is facing.

Except Mike Rowe is also not a socialist. He believes in hard work and earning one's way.

He's a champion of blue collar work and the trades ... things that are being constantly bashed and run down and work unworthy of being done even though many tradesmen earn darn good livings free from the college debt that saddles most Millennials who want socialism.

Not to mention tradesmen are needed everywhere in the US, not just in the big cities where it costs an arm and a leg to live your life so that you can't save for retirement.

a reply to: ketsuko

Do you realize that socialism is a worker’s movement?

Surely you do.

Surely.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Just curious, are all you folks so virulently anti-socialism also against corporate welfare and tax-breaks for religious corporations?

If so, why? Either of those are far more socialistic than say ... food stamps or Medicare.

Tax breaks for corporations go back to the same entity as food stamps and Medicare. It's the government, and those things are involuntary. Your legislators, yes, the same ones you vote for because the progressives have their winners too, write those things in the laws of the land to boost businesses they prefer over others.

Until such time as we all get behind a tax code that stops this from happening, stops legislators from dangling preferred tax laws to this or that sector of the economy and its businesses to reward or punish them into preferred behaviors just like they do people, then there will always be tax breaks.

As for "religious corporations" ... I assume you're talking about Scientology where you have to buy your way into the religion and not regular religions where the tithing is 100% voluntary on the part of the church goers, right? I knew you did. Because to compare a church with 100% voluntary tithing to a situation where the government wrote a law that forces one behavior over another would be comparing apples to oranges.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ketsuko

Do you realize that socialism is a worker’s movement?

Surely you do.

Surely.

Socialism is a movement of people who want to unionize. Unionization is not a movement of individuals, but a movement of collectivization. Unions in their own way are simply another for of corporation and just as corrupt for it.

a reply to: ketsuko

Nice song and dance.

The US GOVERNMENT is SUBSIDIZING CORPORATIONS. That’s the only fact I’m asking you about.

Is that or is it not socialistic and if it is do you support it?

Any church that has an “Inc.” Or “LLC” in it’s legal name is a corporation. Governments control corporations in socialism, and what better way to control them than to give them tax breaks, eh?

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ketsuko

Do you realize that socialism is a worker’s movement?

Surely you do.

Surely.

Socialism is a movement of people who want to unionize. Unionization is not a movement of individuals, but a movement of collectivization. Unions in their own way are simply another for of corporation and just as corrupt for it.

So, you’re for workers, just not for the one’s who want to work together to accomplish good things for themselves?

You’re against the First Amendment then?

Fascinating.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: ketsuko

Do you realize that socialism is a worker’s movement?

Surely you do.

Surely.

Socialism is a movement of people who want to unionize. Unionization is not a movement of individuals, but a movement of collectivization. Unions in their own way are simply another for of corporation and just as corrupt for it.

So, you’re for workers, just not for the one’s who want to work together to accomplish good things for themselves?

You’re against the First Amendment then?

Fascinating.

I am against it when they workers hold a monopoly of labor in their sector, yes. There is one autoworkers union and how many different auto manufacturers in this country?

Why is it that we allow that monopoly of labor? How is not a conflict of interest to have that one union representing all the workers and all the competing companies? Having no competition in the labor is as bad for the economy as it is when there is only one company.

I could say the same about teachers who have one or two powerful unions that are often many times larger and more powerful with more money than the local governments they negotiate against. And yet, they have a stranglehold on that labor.

Why are you in favor of some monopolies but not others?

a reply to: ketsuko

So, you’re against the right to associate when you don’t agree?

Got it.

I’m not in favor of any monopolies. In a perfect world, market forces would crush them.

a reply to: Gryphon66


Did I deny any of that in my post? No.

I explained why that is, and told you how you support it with your vote. I'm sure you vote for very virtuous politicians, and you are all about soaking the rich in tax policy, including evil corporations who get all kinds of tax breaks.

And I'm telling you that, dollars to donuts, those same politicians are also going to support something like the Green New Deal which almost certainly support tax breaks or, to put it your way, the US GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZING CORPORATIONS to go into areas this new government approves of. So you're as bad as you claim to not be.

So the only way end what you claim you hate is to support a tax policy that ends this kind of fiddling with US tax policy.

A flat tax would be a start.