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originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
originally posted by: LookingAtMars
originally posted by: Wayfarer
Maybe I'm crazy, but how is this anything other than Pence negotiating the unconditional surrender of all Kurdish territory and the immediate lifting of all sanctions on Turkey in exchange for nothing?
It is looking like the Kurds will get to keep some land to self govern in Syria now.
I thought Assad gave them protection in the north. And Kurds are all over the place, not just there. Everywhere they are there is conflict with whatever country they are in. Saddam if I recall, he use to have issues with them constantly. At one point he was poising their water in the marshes. For some reason they refuse to acclimate to whatever country they are in. That may be for good reason to since this has been going on for like a century or more.
originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: LookingAtMars
Only if they leave.
They haven't left yet.
I haven't seen any reporting claiming the kurd leaders have ordered them to comply and leave.
He said US forces had already begun to facilitate the safe withdrawal of Kurdish troops from the area.
Saddam if I recall, he use to have issues with them constantly.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
Maybe I'm crazy, but how is this anything other than Pence negotiating the unconditional surrender of all Kurdish territory and the immediate lifting of all sanctions on Turkey in exchange for nothing?
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: operation mindcrime
Didnt they just decide to also give part of syria to turkey also? Did syria/russia have any say with this agreement?
originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: manuelram16
So is there still a 4D chess match with NK or did America just lose????
I kept hearing about this 4D match then too, but we never got anything..
Text of agreement as being pubslished on twitter and liveupmap
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: operation mindcrime
Didnt they just decide to also give part of syria to turkey also? Did syria/russia have any say with this agreement?
originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: LookingAtMars
Instant prediction...
Turkey will claim they did not move and continue eradicating then.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
Maybe I'm crazy, but how is this anything other than Pence negotiating the unconditional surrender of all Kurdish territory and the immediate lifting of all sanctions on Turkey in exchange for nothing?
originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
Nobody knows what is going on without bodies on the ground reporting in real time.
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: Wayfarer
Maybe I'm crazy, but how is this anything other than Pence negotiating the unconditional surrender of all Kurdish territory and the immediate lifting of all sanctions on Turkey in exchange for nothing?
In exchange for nothing? You call avoiding all out war nothing?
The Kurds have reached an agreement with Assad and will move out of the buffer zone (not sure if they will integrate into Syrian society, or move to some other unoccupied land in Syria).
This is the only sane, rational way for this to have played out.
Trump is a stable genius, and while I'm sure Pence did exactly as he was instructed to do by Trump, he did an amazing job too.
Pelosi, Schumer, Graham and the rest of the war hawks must really be twisting in their panties now. I hope Graham is man enough to admit Trump pulled of a masterful stroke here once the 120 hours expires and the deal is done.