Pence announces Turkish ceasefire in northern Syria

originally posted by: HanyManny
This "pause" gives Erdogen time to re-supply and assess intel.

Then the real killing begins...

Seems like you want the Kurds to be slaughtered pretty bad. Why is that?

a reply to: LookingAtMars

I guess the liberal media will need to find something else to bash our president about. Maybe Russia or Stormy Daniels again?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Oraculi
a reply to: LookingAtMars

Pence steps up to the plate and manages to negotiate a 5 day cease fire. Very good news, hopefully we can use those 5 days to regain some balance and do some damage control.

Seems like Pence is showing people that he CAN do the job of the president, and that he is the real negotiating force behind this administration.

Not a fan of Pence, but credit where it's due. This gives us some breathing room.

One question remains: where are the 1,000 US troops that have been removed from Syria. Last count of US forces on the ground was 28, which means at least 972 of our forces have left Syria.

Where are they?

As far as I know, no left or right media outlet, nor the propaganda media sites, absolutely nobody has posted a video of US troops coming home, arriving to their families as we usually see.

Where are they if they are not in Syria?

Not understanding things is OK, but it's important to learn from them. Special Forces groups don't have big homecomings, and news cameras waiting for them to arrive. They try really hard to not be noticed and not be asked about where they have been or where they are going.

Feel free to fact check that with anyone who has served.

I guarantee you I've been on more 12 man teams in my life than you have. And I know more about the 10th group operations than you do.



Being facetious and belittling just tells me more about you. Go on please.

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: LookingAtMars

From my understanding the Turks want to eradicate the Kurds as they are their ancestral enemy..

From what I understand they don't want them on their border. They are afraid they will take some of Turkey as their own. Turkey has a large population of Kurds living in their country, so why have they not killed all of the Kurds in Turkey?

Nobody knows what is going on without bodies on the ground reporting in real time. It's all speculation and some blatantly reporting false info as facts. From my experience in a combat zone, I would often read or watch news when I had some down time and laugh at how wrong they got it. Not even close to reality.

Sometimes things I thought wow, this will be in the news for sure wasn't even known by the media. I am now highly skeptical of anything reported in a war zone unless it's real time footage or reporting from a very reliable source which there are none these days. The craziest part, even US intelligence gets it wrong most of the time. I would read their daily classified reports and just roll my eyes because I was there. It's like they just made up crap daily. Couldn't use any of it with any confidence.

originally posted by: Wayfarer
Maybe I'm crazy, but how is this anything other than Pence negotiating the unconditional surrender of all Kurdish territory and the immediate lifting of all sanctions on Turkey in exchange for nothing?

It is looking like the Kurds will get to keep some land to self govern in Syria now.

a reply to: Oraculi

I think you're mostly right here. There was no official STATEMENT regarding where the troops were going, but there was an official NARRATIVE and that was that we "needed to bring our troops home!"

Like everything nowadays, the left and right have turned this issue into a political football before we were made well aware of all the facts behind the situation (which we still don't have IMO).

So, I did a google search in a custom range to pull something from when it was officially released.

A senior administration official told reporters Monday that Sunday’s announcement did not constitute a full U.S. withdrawal from Syria and that only 50 to 100 U.S. special operations forces were moving to other locations in Syria.

Military Times

originally posted by: LookingAtMars

originally posted by: Wayfarer
Maybe I'm crazy, but how is this anything other than Pence negotiating the unconditional surrender of all Kurdish territory and the immediate lifting of all sanctions on Turkey in exchange for nothing?

It is looking like the Kurds will get to keep some land to self govern in Syria now.

I thought Assad gave them protection in the north. And Kurds are all over the place, not just there. Everywhere they are there is conflict with whatever country they are in. Saddam if I recall, he use to have issues with them constantly. At one point he was poising their water in the marshes. For some reason they refuse to acclimate to whatever country they are in. That may be for good reason to since this has been going on for like a century or more.

A 'Cease Fire' used to be a GOOD thing...until TRUMP had anything to do with it.
Leftists are mental.

So, who's taking over the isis prison camps?
And, what makes anyone think that the kurds are gonna willingly give up their homes to go live in a refugee camp?

originally posted by: dawnstar
So, who's taking over the isis prison camps?
And, what makes anyone think that the kurds are gonna willingly give up their homes to go live in a refugee camp?

The PKK !!!! 😁

a reply to: LookingAtMars

So the deal for the kurds is that IF they give up the territory they fought isis to claim then turkey will stop killing them?

Turkey gets what they wanted. Win for them.

But how is this a win for the kurds?

I could be wrong about how the kurds got that land. I just assume that they took it from isis.
But even so I still don't see this as a win for the kurds. More of a surrender.

a reply to: LookingAtMars

Only if they leave.

They haven't left yet.
I haven't seen any reporting claiming the kurd leaders have ordered them to comply and leave.

a reply to: JustJohnny

Nk , iran chess game have been fails. So far.

China, we are still waiting to see. Wasn't the usa and china supposed to sign a trade deal this week?

Deals done with mexico, trump won those.

This is how i see things anyway.

a reply to: Wayfarer

I wrote my reply before I saw yours.
Glad to see that someone agreed with me.

originally posted by: Oraculi
a reply to: LookingAtMars

Seems like Pence is showing people that he CAN do the job of the president, and that he is the real negotiating force behind this administration.

Wasn’t Caesar ambushed on the steps of the Senate?

Ettu Brutus?

If Trump is brought down, if this debacle with Turkey and the Kurds is what finally turns the necessary majority of Senate Republicans against Trump, it stands to reason that Pence’s star, as “Peacemaker” will ascend.

Isn’t odd that Pence was sent “into the Lion’s den” to negotiate this deal,

While the Great Dealmaker himself, who had just sent an eloquent and persuasive letter to Turkey’s president, promising to “call soon!”, is not “in the frame”?


Careful, Caesar!

The Ides of October are upon the land and the tang of freshly sharpened steel is in the air. Your Enemies are close,

But your “Friends” are closer,

And at your back!

a reply to: Bhadhidar

If this works out then it would look like pence had to clean up trumps mess.
Not a good look to have when one is looking at being impeached.

Likea reply to: Oraculi

I was watching lookner live, and he found an article with a WH document saying the 1000 troops were relocated to Iraq. So they weren't sent home *sigh*.

Eta- sorry, no link

a reply to: scraedtosleep

Basically US just gave the Kurd's land to the Turks and thanks to this negotiation Turkey has pauzed (it's not a ceizefire according to Erdogan) for 5 days so Kurds have the opportunity to flee their land...

Good deal....lol

Why do I have a feeling our boy Erdogan is going to break this pauze just to make US look even worse...

Peace