The president has a complete 'meltdown' today following a Congressional vote

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Trump recklessly pulled out without even telling our allies (not just the Kurds, but our other European allies) or having a plan, leaving both the Kurds and US troops under fire.

100%

a reply to: pavil

it is humorus, the replies in here. President Trump is a reckless idiot for not getting Americans killed..


it infuriates the democrats, how dare the president protect warriors, my goodness they are warriors

how can warriors war if there is no war to war at. The gall of the president, they are cannon fodder,

so fodder the cannons.

next week something will happen and President Trump may have to use force, the left will scream

"How dare you".

they really have no moral high ground....

it's like some of the "new" posters here, so confident that their opinions have "weight" on their 13th post on ATS.

or posters on old account, around 4 years old... "I'm new, so you must listen to what I say is the truth, even if I lie".

nah, I will think for myself and defend your right to lie in public with my life. what are you willing to die for?

it doesn't mean I wont point to your fallacies, and do point out mine as well, it makes me a better person.

a reply to: pavil

How is Syria suddenly vital to our National Security? When did that occur?

ISIS.

ISIS Detainees Escape as the U.S. Pulls Out

Who should control Syria?

Not ISIS. And less Russian influence.

What, in your opinion, is our goal in Syria.

In part, to defeat ISIS. Which has been pretty much thrown out the window by abandoning the Kurds who helped us fight them, and by potentially allowing ISIS to reform. Also in part, to not let Assad/Russia gain more ground and influence in the region.

U.S. troops to withdraw from northern Syria as ISIS supporters escape amid alleged Turkish atrocities

Pulling of U.S. Troops in Syria Could Aid Assad and ISIS

In addition to betraying the militia, the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces, analysts said, the move could empower Turkey, extending its control over another part of northern Syria. It could also create a void in the region that could benefit President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, Russia, Iran and the Islamic State, also known as ISIS.

What would it take for us to withdraw troops in Syria?

A plan, to start.

a reply to: thedigirati

it's like some of the "new" posters here, so confident that their opinions have "weight" on their 13th post on ATS.

or posters on old account, around 4 years old... "I'm new, so you must listen to what I say is the truth, even if I lie".

What makes you or your opinion any more relevant?

a reply to: Liquesence

Looks like Belgium and other European states have been forced to step up if they don't want ISIS running free.

Belgium to evacuate Isis suspects from Syria detention camps

Belgium and other European states are preparing to evacuate citizens accused of having links to Islamic State from detention camps in north-eastern Syria through a newly declared safe zone being carved out by Turkish forces along the border.

Belgian officials informed family members of detainees held in two camps on Friday that they would attempt to take advantage of a five-day ceasefire to retrieve nationals allegedly tied to the terror group.

Vote for war and lets jump into WWIII. Sounds like a solution from sane people said no one. Sounds like Israel is still mad for not getting the oil and land from Syria...

No one, not one person on this thread has said that we should go to war with Turkey. Not one has suggested we increase our presence in Syria. What several folks have pointed out is that the manner in which Trump disengaged in Syria was nothing short of disasterous as well as the fact that Trump is not some savior who is "bringin' the boys home."

In fact, he's going to hire them out to the House of Saud.

We should get out of the Middle East altogether and let Russia take over. The Russians brokered a deal where the Kurds and Syria will be fight the Turkish encroachment. Now we don't have to fight another NATO country. I think it's one of the smartest moves the president ever made.

originally posted by: alonzo730
We should get out of the Middle East altogether and let Russia take over. The Russians brokered a deal where the Kurds and Syria will be fight the Turkish encroachment. Now we don't have to fight another NATO country. I think it's one of the smartest moves the president ever made.

Has Mr. Trump made any bad moves or mistakes in your estimation?

a reply to: Liquesence

U.S. soldiers will not leave a military base with U.S. intel in it, they would destroy the intel or take that intel with them... And again Turkey is a NATO ally. If POTUS Trump had decided to attack them you would have complained about it too. You leftists just LOVE to complain no matter what the POTUS does... If he scratched his ear you would complain that the world was about to end...

BTW, I have an idea... Every RINO or left-winger, including socialists, communists, democrats, liberals, etc, whom want to fight Turkey ask uncle Soros to give you money to fly you there and you yourselves should be fighting Turkey... They will LOVE you over there...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

U.S. soldiers will not leave a military base with U.S. intel in it,

Why would they have too?
Oh wait. I forgot, Trump put our troops in an immediate position of retreat, evacuate.

And again Turkey is a NATO ally

Then why would they attack, or threaten US troops in Syria? Why did Trump buckle under and acquiesce to his good friend, Erdogan's, long time grudge, if we're all NATO friends?

If POTUS Trump had decided to attack them you would have complained about it too.

You mean push back against a 1000s of years old grudge about who deserves to exist?

If POTUS Trump had decided to attack them you would have complained about it too.

HAHA...LOL

This aint no leftist peacenik agenda. This is all about the Military Industrial Complex and your dad's job.

a reply to: Liquesence

You mean these escapees:

hundreds of families and supporters of the Islamic State escaped from a detention center in Ain Issa, in northeastern Syria. 

So now that the families, not the actual fighters escaped, it's a grave, national security matter?

Please.

No where did it say actual fighters escaped.

Were they just to be locked up forever or what? Would US troops have to stay in Syria forever?

I've stated my preference before as to what to do with jihadis.


ISIS doesn't control Syria anymore.

You are mad that the Syrian Govt is going to control more of Syrian territory? Really?

Sounds like you are for regime change. That seems to be your and Obama's plan all along. Had such a great plan on Libya and Syria and Egypt didn't he?

Hey mods, why isn't this mudpit stuff? The OP claims "complete meltdown," that's an incendiary phrase. Doesn't matter if it came from number 3 in the continuity of government. Still incendiary. Can we get this moved over so I can tell the OP how I really feel please?

a reply to: Oraculi

WE WANT WAR! NOTHING WILL STOP US! WE MUST BE INVOLVED IN THE MIDDLE EASTERN WARS!

Wait a minute. Why am I guessing that the 60 congressmen who voted against this resolution are part of the freedom caucus?

But more importantly, if congress wants bodies there, they have the power to do that. They can declare war. Do it. At least it would be legal and constitutional then. But they know they can't do that as we're not at war with turkey or syria. So how could they declare war? Who would they declare war against? I mean, turkey is part of NATO.... so are we at war with a fellow NATO member?

What's really funny is that before trump you were anti-war. Hilarious how he controls you and you don't even know it.

No one here has argued that we should enter new wars or that we should escalate our presence. Some argue, in a similar fashion to field commanders with experience in the theatre under discussion, that the President's impulsive "gut" reaction withdrawal was disaterous.

The wailing cries that disagreement with Trump's bumbling actions in regard to Syria is support for the "military industrial compliex" are ludicrous especially in light of the fact that Trump is now sending forces to Saudi (and that similar voices in the past lauded our various adventuring around the globe) is a blatant lie.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Some argue, in a similar fashion to field commanders with experience in the theatre under discussion

Your appeal to the authority of the military industrial complex is obvious and undercuts your attempts to distance yourself.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Gryphon66

Some argue, in a similar fashion to field commanders with experience in the theatre under discussion

Your appeal to the authority of the military industrial complex is obvious and undercuts your attempts to distance yourself.

Not at all. You could argue I guess that there is an appeal to the authority of specific people with actual military experience in the particular theatre under discussion but sadly for your claim that is substantiated by past experience and general knowledge from other specialists, which puts the lie to your claim of implied special pleading.

I have no desire to distance myself from anything I say what I mean openly; I'm merely stating what others have actually said here and the way that your post and the posts of others are trying to spin those statements. The rhetoric of phrases like "military-industrial complex" are applied unevenly as again, some of the same posters in this thread who are misrepresenting the specific and narrow claims of others are on record in support of other military action.

I am in favor of withdrawing the majority of American soldiers as far away from combat as is legitimately possible in the shortest time possible without ridiculous de-stablization and betrayal of allies and partners. Within reason, I'd like to see a major reduction in the world-wide adventuring that the US has engaged in for 70 years or so. Anything that can save American lives and protect American interests I am in favor of.

Specifically, I am opposed to President Trump's decision to increase our forces in Saudi Arabia which has never been a true friend of the United States. What say you on that point?

a reply to: Dfairlite
only when politically expediant

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

U.S. soldiers will not leave a military base with U.S. intel in it, they would destroy the intel or take that intel with them

One would hope that is the case. It appears it might be. Hopefully.

What it means for American bases in Syria to be occupied by Syrian and Russian forces

As U.S. forces make a grab for the exit from Syria in a hurry, reports and video coming in suggest they are dumping equipment and leaving bases intact while stripping sensitive items.

And that could create a problem for any future efforts to fight the Islamic State, said one Marine veteran who went on to fight with the Syrian Democratic Forces after leaving the Corps.

As the U.S. abandons camps across Syria, it appears U.S. troops are removing sensitive equipment, but leaving fortifications that could present a later challenge for fighters in the region.

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And again Turkey is a NATO ally.

Syria isn't.

If POTUS Trump had decided to attack them you would have complained about it too

Who tf said anything about attacking Turkey?

You leftists

So original. Got anything better than personal insults?