President Trump Says He May Declare a National Emergency to Get The US-Mex Border Wall Built.

I'm just thinking out loud but after reading the news and coming here, I wonder if we will see some sort of false flag around the southern border so that Trump gets his wall...


*ponder*

originally posted by: Darkblade71
I'm just thinking out loud but after reading the news and coming here, I wonder if we will see some sort of false flag around the southern border so that Trump gets his wall...


*ponder*

Progressives do that.

Trump is a lot of things, good and bad, but he isn't a Progressive.

So no... any false flag will be to promote the Progressive agenda, which certainly isn't his.

Trump is doing everything possible to reach a compromise... but Pelosi and Schumer have given nothing. In fact, they have withdrawn previous advances to the negotiations.

The US House of Representatives have a responsibility to pass a budget to keep the US running. That is their primary responsibility; even their legislative responsibilities are secondary to that. This is why the Constitution places the initiation of financial bills solely in their hands. In contrast, the Senate has the primary responsibility to approve appointments and treaties.

Third in the line of responsibility for the House is that of Congressional Oversight, a shared responsibility with the Senate.

The President, as head of the Executive Branch, has the primary responsibility of defending the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

So what we are actually witnessing is the Executive Branch attempting to fulfill their primary responsibility, while the House is ignoring theirs. The Senate as well, has been quite complicit in ignoring their primary responsibility, leaving a multitude of appointed positions without permanent appointments.

Immigration without approval of the United States government is illegal, as per a law passed by Congress. One can argue that it should be legal, or that the laws shouldn't exist, or any number of variations on that theme, but in the end that is all simply irrelevant. Immigration without approval of the United States government is still illegal. Congress has the power to change that. All it takes is legislation, and they can make deportation illegal, border crossing under any circumstances legal, heck, they can make it illegal to be standing where an alien wants to cross if they want to! With a sufficient super-majority, the President cannot stop them. So it then falls to the Congress, specifically to the House, to provide funding for whatever is necessary to enforce the laws they passed. or to rescind the laws.

It is not up to the President to make new law, or even to dismiss current law. The most the Executive Branch can do is prioritize which laws they will concentrate resources on. The CBP has stated on multiple occasions that they need better methods to secure the border and enforce the laws. The fact that the illegal immigrant population is growing underscores that.

So, in the face of a Congress that refuses to act on an issue that threatens the health and safety of US citizens, yes, I believe Trump could declare a national emergency and use the military to build the wall. I also think he will if forced to.

The thing is that if he declares a national emergency, it will be legally challenged. He has been challenged by the Judiciary on pretty much every single action he has taken thus far. Legally, I interpret the Constitution to say that only a Supreme Court decision could overrule this power, but we have all seen how activist judges have ignored the role of the Supreme Court already. So it is far preferable that Congress works with the President to avoid an actual Constitutional crisis.

There is more than a wall at stake here, incidentally. Everyone seems to concentrate on the wall, but immigration is a much bigger issue. More funding is required for the DoJ to prosecute hiring of illegal aliens; an expedited asylum process is absolutely required; sanctuary cities should be disbanded... literally... for being in violation of their charter; sanctuary states should have their status as states removed for the same reason; chain immigration should be curbed; lottery immigration must be stopped; and DACA should be codified. The wall just gets the press.

I should note here that even if Trump uses the military option, I would not support him giving in to the budget restrictions in the new resolutions. Many of them are written to literally prevent a wall, which is unconstitutional on the face but would still require time to make it through the courts. He would also be showing weakness to an opponent who has consistently shown an unwillingness to negotiate in good faith.

This is going to come down to the people making a decision. As evidence piles up showing the negative aspects of not having some sort of physical barrier, the people are slowly moving away from the open borders argument. It's a slow process, though, one that actually makes Congress look speedy. Therein lies the real danger. It is completely possible that by the time the people speak loudly enough to overrule the open border advocates in Congress, the damage to the country may be irreversible.

I still remember something my teacher back in Civics class once told us: "sometimes the President has to drag the country kicking and screaming to where they need to be." Drag on, President Trump. Drag on.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: RickinVa

President Trump said today that terrorists banned on the No-Fly list are exploiting our southern border. It's only a matter of time before they blow up or shoot-up a populated gathering, like we see happen overseas. We've got to stop them from coming in, and hunt down the ones who have come in already.

Well God forbid it happens but a suitcase nuke slipped over the border and detonated in a major city would about sink the Democrats for decades.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: RickinVa

President Trump said today that terrorists banned on the No-Fly list are exploiting our southern border. It's only a matter of time before they blow up or shoot-up a populated gathering, like we see happen overseas. We've got to stop them from coming in, and hunt down the ones who have come in already.

Well God forbid it happens but a suitcase nuke slipped over the border and detonated in a major city would about sink the Democrats for decades.

Historically the US has always implemented immigration screenings and checkpoints for European immigrants.

During the Berlin airlift The US choreographed a secret immigration screening of highly skilled technical people that gave the US industrial complex a competitive advantage.

Trump feels that we need the Mexican border wall to make it clear that the only immigration paths into the US involves checkpoint screening.

In a perfect world we could have open borders but in times of international tension historically governments tend to rely on their military advisors to provide regulated solutions like the Berlin wall.

There is nothing racist about the wall proposal unless you equate illegal drug activity with a race instead of due to poverty and unregulated gang activity.

Here in the US some states are experimenting with the legalization of regulated recreational drugs, which will only work if there is not an abundance of cheap illegal cross border contraband to compete with.

Trumps advisors truly believe that there is enough ideological difference between the US and Mexican governments that the wall is necessary.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: abe froman

What should really alarm Americans is a political party that wants to open the border and let anyone in as long as they get votes.

So, you'd rather attack the character of the Senator than address his words and concerns?

LOL Nobody wants to "open the border" and let anybody in.. You've been watching too much fake news while drinking the orange Kool Aid!

Trump has no plan, no design, no environmental impact statements, for HIS ill conceived wall, that won't even work anyway.

There are several plans and many different designs have actually been constructed for proof of concept.

Members of the border patrol that have worked in areas before and after a barrier was constructed will tell you in no uncertain terms that walls do, indeed work.

As far as the politician, his speech words are obvious propaganda .



When he starts saying things like 'this is going to take money away from the troops, etc' your BS alarm should go off.

That's not how it works and he knew it when he said it, in short, he's a liar.

And yes there are lots of people in that socialist party that want to open the borders and let everyone in.

You must be blind enough to have a service dog.

a reply to: abe froman

Jack Reed is a mewling coward that would destroy America for three extra votes.

Cheap! Attack the man's character and ignore his concerns. Sounds like you're describing Donald Trump!

What should really alarm Americans is a political party that wants to open the border and let anyone in as long as they get votes.

It would be alarming, if it was remotely true, but it's not. This is a fake, made up, manufactured crisis by a temper tantrum throwing ill equipped and ill informed president. You've been watching too much Fake News while drinking the orange Kool Aid! LOL

a reply to: carewemust

Yes, thanks to the MSM, putting the stupid idea, in "Good General" bone spurs head, during the press conference today. The man can not think for himself!

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: okrian

As a Democrat you should remember that Obama set the precedent when he used executive orders like royal decrees.

You guys were all about letting a Democrat president have all the power without considering what would happen when someone else took the reigns.

Short sighted fuzzy thinking at it's finest.

This is the bed Democrats made.

Too late to whine about it now.

Well hmmmm, Obama signed a total of 276 executive orders during his two terms. Less than GW Bush. Less than Reagan. And far less than the pace Trump is going. So... try again. More fear based posting as opposed to fact based posting.

And whatever, that's all irrelevant since an executive order is nothing like a fake "National Emergency". Be careful, this is the bed being made by the right. And you've just provided phony scare tactics, alternative facts, and another 'but Obama'. You should try to stay away from that fuzzy thinking dude.

Right so Trump will just keep having temper tantrums until he gets his wall, here's my shocked face.....

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Pretty sure that's what the left has been doing since November 2016.

originally posted by: RickinVa
It's only a matter of time before a WMD is slipped across the border.


The southern border is the prime place to do it, because they can blend in better with the local population.


WMD's can be an assortment of different biological devices that could easily be carried by a very small group.

My very first thread, from 9 years ago

Miguel or Mohammad?

Am having quite the giggle reading some of the comments on this thread.

It’s almost like some of you think you’re living in a Tom Clancy novel.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: abe froman

Jack Reed is a mewling coward that would destroy America for three extra votes.

Cheap! Attack the man's character and ignore his concerns. Sounds like you're describing Donald Trump!

What should really alarm Americans is a political party that wants to open the border and let anyone in as long as they get votes.

It would be alarming, if it was remotely true, but it's not. This is a fake, made up, manufactured crisis by a temper tantrum throwing ill equipped and ill informed president. You've been watching too much Fake News while drinking the orange Kool Aid! LOL

It's actually a very real crisis that is crippling our infrastructure and draining our economy to the tune of Billions of dollars are year in wire transfers to Mexico alone.

If you'd look up from your adult coloring book every now and then you'd see that.

a reply to: okrian

It's not about the number of President Obama's executive orders it's about the large sweeping nature of them.

He used them in ways no other president ever had and greatly expanded the powers of the Executive branch.

I'm sorry you have misunderstood that all these years.

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: carewemust

I hope he does it.

and then releases all the damaging classified info on the Democrats.

Odd...you’d think he’d threaten privately/publicly to do that to get the dems to play ball...

Why isn’t he doing that?

originally posted by: Carcharadon

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: RickinVa

President Trump said today that terrorists banned on the No-Fly list are exploiting our southern border. It's only a matter of time before they blow up or shoot-up a populated gathering, like we see happen overseas. We've got to stop them from coming in, and hunt down the ones who have come in already.

Well God forbid it happens but a suitcase nuke slipped over the border and detonated in a major city would about sink the Democrats for decades.

Actually no... they would blame the sitting President.

Then start a conspiracy that he was part of it, or most certainly Pence.

Then they would investigate forever.

I used to be a Democrat... I've read the playbook.

originally posted by: RickinVa
It's only a matter of time before a WMD is slipped across the border.


The southern border is the prime place to do it, because they can blend in better with the local population.


WMD's can be an assortment of different biological devices that could easily be carried by a very small group.

A WMD would be much easier to slip into the US via weather balloon.

Using on-board GPS, packet radio data communications/control and live video down-link, you could easily, and cheaply, fly any payload, up to and including a nuclear warhead across any part of the border the wind blows across.

The Japanese flew incendiary bombs to the West coast, from Japan, during WWII.

The US launched rockets to sub-orbital altitudes in the 50’s using balloon-based “rockoons” (look up the work of Van Allen; yes, the guy the radiation belts are named after).

You really think a freaking wall is going to protect us from anything!?!

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Senator Reed shouldn't be so frightened. Trump and Pelosi will work it out.