Unisex changing rooms put women in danger

a reply to: Itisnowagain
That's cool
I have no problem with opinions or perceptions of law, but when it is asserted as fact I will challenge it every time.
Ownership is a completely different legal definition.
Women have been able to divorce abusive husbands for many many years now, that in itself debunks claims of ownership.
Interesting mental exercise discussing this with you so cheers to you, and apologies to the OP from me for going so far off-topic.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
How cool is this?

The property to be withheld in a female was her virginity; this was the commodity (Bergen, 2016). Following this line of logic, a woman was (and still is in many cultures across the globe) first the property of her father, then, upon marriage, the property of her husband (Bergen, 2016). Therefore, a man could not be prosecuted for raping his own wife because she was his possession (Schelong, 1994).

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Itisnowagain
You are referring to a study about law in the early 1700's, NOT up until 1991 as you originally claimed. The introduction of marital rape law in the UK in '91 did not suddenly repeal 'property' claims. That is history from a couple of hundred years ago.
Let's meet half way, there has been times in history when women were deemed property of husbands in the UK, but not in the last couple of hundred years, and certainly not in a legal sense immediately prior to the marital rape act.

Perhaps both apologise to the OP for being so far off-topic now as well...I already have.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

However, if another man raped someone's wife, this was essentially stealing property (a women's sexuality) (Bergen, 2016). In English customs, "bride capture" (a man claiming a woman through rape) was thought to be stealing a father's property by raping his daughter. Therefore, rape laws were created to "…protect the property interests men had in their women, not to protect women themselves" (Schelong, 1994). This concept of women as property permeates current marital rape ideology and laws throughout the globe.

Rape laws were not even made to protect women.............I did not know that..............thanks for making me educate myself further!

a reply to: Itisnowagain
On-topic, rape laws are irrelevant to beasts who attack women, and if I was a woman I would not want mixed gender changing rooms or toilets.
Heck, I wouldn't want to be a physically weak male in 'male only' toilets either, plenty of gay rapists out there as well.
Laws don't protect people from predators, but sensible risk assessments can help.
Mixed gender changing rooms and toilets put women at more risk of predators than same gender environments, that is for sure.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: tovenar
a reply to: kaylaluv

I agree completely. So do we Do something? or do we impose on the 52% of the population that's female, so as not to offende the what 2%, that is othered?

Yes, let’s do something. Let’s have female only parking garages, elevators, and walking trails too, so I can feel safe. Isn’t being safe the most important thing here?

So, the only response is to be absurd? You brought up the issues of parking garages and elevators. Now you're shooting them back down. So is this winning and argument, or about addressing what a lot people have misgivings about with regard to changing room policy?

Because you wearing a burka would be a lot cheaper.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Itisnowagain
Mixed gender changing rooms and toilets put women at more risk of predators than same gender environments, that is for sure.

I agree.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Every time I walk through an empty parking garage, or alone on a walking trail, I risk being assaulted by a male predator.

Shouldn’t we ban men from parking garages and walking trails, to make me feel safe?

Trans people are not the problem here. Male predators are.

I don't think you got the point here. It's not that Trans people are "anything", it's that having gender neutral change facilities may increase the risk of women being assaulted. Nowhere is any blame cast on the Trans community, this is a by product of our society trying to make global changes to appease a very small percentage of people.

Male Predators seem to be all about finding ways to continue their actions. SJW on sister.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Every time I walk through an empty parking garage, or alone on a walking trail, I risk being assaulted by a male predator.

Shouldn’t we ban men from parking garages and walking trails, to make me feel safe?

Trans people are not the problem here. Male predators are.

How does this analogy have anything to do with unisex changing rooms in the workplace?

For the most part women have a choice to go to places like this alone. It's always acceptable for a woman to ask to be escorted by a security guard to her vehicle if she is using a company parking structure and she is alone. No one is forcing a woman to be alone in any situation like you describe.

Work place harassment is already a serious problem for women. Point me to any 30 year old woman, regardless of her appearance, and I can practically guarantee she will have a story about being harassed at work. Even if it's something simple like being stared at making her feel uncomfortable.

I don't think unisex changing rooms that force women to be in a situations where it should be obvious she will recieve unwanted attention that will make her feel uncomfortable is a solution to the trans agenda. No one should be forced into a situation where they will be harassed by perverted people to make someone else feel more comfortable. I suggest rather than unisex changing rooms employers provide a male, female and gender neutral changing area.

As for the posters that brought up small children. I doubt you have ever had a small child of the opposite sex. If you had you would realise that this is never an issue. Until my daughter was old enough to change in the women's room by herself she always came with me into the mens changing room. She would change in a bathroom stall or I would hold a towel up and it was never a problem for anyone. This is a non issue.

a reply to: Isurrender73

Pretty much any woman who works for any company will have to park her car in a lot or garage of some sort. I did, and there were times when I had to work late, and had to walk through an empty parking garage to get to my car.

So, the solution is to ban men from the parking garage, or the employer can provide adequate security for their female employees.

Same situation here.

a reply to: kaylaluv

I agree the employer should provide adequate securtiy for (all) employees.

I work at a place that requires 2 people to do all nightime activities outside regardless of gender. I don't think it's asking too much of businesses to do everything necessary to keep their employees safe and free from harassment. The cost should never be a factor when it comes to safety.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Whatthedoctorordered
a reply to: kaylaluv

No. Predators are opportunistic.

So predators who are opportunistic, wont take the opportunity a unisex changing room provides to them? Seems like the perfect opportunity to me.

Only if there’s no one else around. Same with parking garages, elevators, and jogging trails.
So, ban men in parking garages, elevators and jogging trails - and you will eliminate many, many assaults by male predators.

Hmm yeah. But that would only work against law abiding men. A man planning to rape doesn't care about rules.

Your argument here is as flawed as any argument against the 2nd.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Every time I walk through an empty parking garage, or alone on a walking trail, I risk being assaulted by a male predator.

Shouldn’t we ban men from parking garages and walking trails, to make me feel safe?

Trans people are not the problem here. Male predators are.

In your zeal to come to the rescue of the common tran, you fail to understand whats being argued here. Again.

Trans people are beside the point. The point is that this gives a predator the opportunity. With Target's rule, what stops a man from dressing up as a women specifically to go out and get his jollies in the ladies restroom?

Banning men won't change anything. But maybe you should instead devote your efforts to ensuring all men have a serial number tattoo and a certain kind of star badge while you're at it.

It's amazing how people continue to try to claim "men predators are the ones at fault"... Yes, men predators are one of the party at fault, but they are not alone. The thing is, both these studies show that since the "new gender enforced regulations" sexual harassment has increased.

Here, found another link to the first story i posted in the op.

What’s more, two thirds of all sexual attacks at leisure centres and public swimming pools take place in unisex changing rooms.

Of 134 complaints over 2017-2018, 120 reported incidents took place in gender-neutral changing rooms and just 14 were in single-sex changing areas.
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“These figures show that women and girls are more vulnerable in mixed changing rooms and there is a danger these places are becoming a magnet for sexual offenders,” says David Davies, MP for Monmouth.

“It simply doesn’t make sense to enable men to have greater access to women’s spaces. The reforms to gender recognition will grant that access.”
...

www.independent.co.uk...

Some of us were saying this from the start. Perhaps a third bathroom for all gender confused people would have been a better idea. Here is the fact of the matter. The gender reform which allows men to claim "but i am a woman" is the root cause for the increase in sexual harassment. To claim "men are at fault in this" is simply false, because there are many trans people who also have participated in sexual assault/harassment. The new laws being implemented nation wide which allows anyone and everyone, including men, to claim "I feel a woman inside" is what has caused the increase in sexual harassment.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
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Same situation here.

Ahhh...so you want to make it legal for security guards to be "peeping toms," allowing them to enter changing rooms, and restrooms to check every toilet stall to make sure no sexual harassment occurs?... and for you it's either that, legalize peeping toms for security, or ban/brand men as the only ones capable of sexual assault?... What about women who commit sexual assault? What about trans who commit sexual assault? It seems that you believe that neither women, nor trans people can commit sexual assault, and that is simply false.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Trans people are not the problem here. Male predators are.

But anybody can say he is trans just to gain access to changing rooms. Trans people don't have some distinctive bar code on the back of their neck that you can use to verify their authenticity. The lesser of two evils in this situation is to have people use change rooms in accordance with their biological gender, just like we have since time immemorial.

I completly agree with this 👌 not just for that but needing to feel safe in a public environment is key, privacy is needed regardless of gender or body confidence. Its like taking a dump with the door open and everyone watching maybe people should start making a poll or something to change uni sex changing rooms 👌

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Isurrender73

Pretty much any woman who works for any company will have to park her car in a lot or garage of some sort. I did, and there were times when I had to work late, and had to walk through an empty parking garage to get to my car.

So, the solution is to ban men from the parking garage, or the employer can provide adequate security for their female employees.

Same situation here.

If you honestly feel threatened by half of this planets population you have issues much more important to address than whether or not unisex changing rooms are more dangerous than single sex.

What if the dangerous person was female? How does that fit in to your equation? You also stated earlier that transgender people are not the problem, male predators are. Do you know for a fact that no transgender males are predators?

If I understand you correctly, you would feel safe in an empty parking garage with a transgender male or a woman but not a hetero male. So stereotyping and profiling are ok now? You want to treat hetero men differently because of their gender and their sexual preference...but if I do that to anyone who is gay I am a homophobe?

The phobic one is clearly you. Half of this planet has you so afraid to walk to your car alone you think your employer owes you a personal escort. You are a heterophobe.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Whatthedoctorordered
a reply to: kaylaluv

No. Predators are opportunistic.

So predators who are opportunistic, wont take the opportunity a unisex changing room provides to them? Seems like the perfect opportunity to me.

Only if there’s no one else around. Same with parking garages, elevators, and jogging trails.
So, ban men in parking garages, elevators and jogging trails - and you will eliminate many, many assaults by male predators.

Hmm yeah. But that would only work against law abiding men. A man planning to rape doesn't care about rules.

That is correct. So having separate women’s changing rooms won’t stop male predators from sneaking in when the opportunity presents itself. It never has before.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Nothing stops a man from dressing up as a woman and going in the women’s restroom, regardless. There are some big, ugly ass women out there, so sometimes it’s kind of hard to tell. Unless you want to have someone at the door checking everyone’s “junk”.

Funny how no one here cares about offending trans people, but are so easily triggered when something negative is said about males in general.