Are the homeless going to take over the city elite in the future

It's getting bad now in America. With youtube exposing all the tent cities across American into all major cities, the downfall will happen within, not from a foreign invasion with guns, but a foreign invasion of weak minded leadership.

a reply to: musicismagic

Humanitarium aid will come"

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a reply to: musicismagic

Humanitarium aid will come"

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a reply to: musicismagic

There have been tent cities in major urban areas for decades. It's not new.

And they are mostly made up of the malnourished homeless, the mentally ill, and drug addicts.

I don't see them overthrowing anything.

a reply to: musicismagic

You live in Japan correct?

And yes it is a major problem back home. I live just outside Vegas and have seen firsthand how the homeless population has plagued the city. They live in tunnels and creep around in shadows. Some are nice crazies but most will rob you for a “fix”. It is a real problem but not confined to America. This problem is seen around the world.

Now as far as the homeless invading I say nope. Most have social anxiety and can’t handle being in the open. Very little do I view them as a threat.

If Jeff Bezos would donate a weeks wages as a philanthropist, it might be enough to cure a lot of woes. But many homeless are that way by design.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

India is an example of a future for those who live in squalor.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: musicismagic

You live in Japan correct?

And yes it is a major problem back home. I live just outside Vegas and have seen firsthand how the homeless population has plagued the city. They live in tunnels and creep around in shadows. Some are nice crazies but most will rob you for a “fix”. It is a real problem but not confined to America. This problem is seen around the world.

Now as far as the homeless invading I say nope. Most have social anxiety and can’t handle being in the open. Very little do I view them as a threat.

Yes, I do live here. I think the reason why I posted this is because back in the late 70's I saw on skid row in LA homeless people without tents, now the homeless all almost have tents.
Here in this country, it too is a major problem since welfare does not pay for someone that looks fit to work, yep, that's right. The blind, the wheelchaired and even walking with cane work here in this country. Of course they get govt. assist. but they are productive members in society and that is why I made the post. Unproductive "destroy" the good and stable of the well meant way of life" and that is a fact.
Living and working in Los Angeles with a Japanese wife, we would go to Little Tokyo and dine and that was in 79 and on, I would never think of returning and walking the streets now there.

a reply to: musicismagic

I am not in the US but have to say what is happening there has been accelerating in the West since the fall of the soviet union.
Both extremes of political view are equally evil and equally inhumane.

Unfettered capitalism simply does not work, it has it's champion's whom claim that it does but it simply does not as it funnels' wealth into fewer and fewer hand's until any unregulated economy ends up with a tiny minority of ultra elite and a vast majority of poverty stricken wage slaves in fact we are already there but they are intent upon pushing it even further - there solution a cull of the human population or as the Tory's of Great Britain used to say "Natural wastage of the excess population - which to the Tory's meant killing them in work houses were they were worked to there death".
Deregulation of the economy and corporations is a way of bringing this about sooner rather than later.


Unfettered communism is just as evil, not only do we have the hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of death's caused by this system having been pushed over the former Soviet union and China as well as many other nations in the past but once in place it trap's people, in China today we see a form of Communism which is actually not communism but a new imperial system with the Communist party taking the place of the old imperial system, communist party members are paid more, have better housing and get rich quicker and there so called communism is actually NOT communism it is more about keeping there own power - the same thing also happened in the former soviet union.


The ONLY solution is to adopt the very model that western Europe is moving AWAY from, the socialist moderated economic's of the mid to late 20th century - best model Sweden, Norway and Denmark pre-EU membership and pre-migration crisis.
England also had a fairly good system but no where near as good as it's Nordic neighbors - west Germany was also very good and so too was France but a mixture of migration crisis, economic enemy's and right wing politic's - AND ULTRA LEFT WINGERS have ended this system - in spite of the fact that it was the most humane and best system to adopt for the entire population.
In these nation's comprehensive free health care was provided - maybe less so in France, there was a social safety net, business were given government subsidies to help with energy costs and land rent's to spur on job creation, transport infrastructure was moderated and well maintained since it was government controlled and social housing of a mixed but mostly fairly high standard kept people from being homeless but of course you were free to choose, could have your own business, could run for political office etc - most of the economic failing's of this period were nothing to do with these national policies but were in fact international banking system failures.

(of note in Britain Social housing was built around so called New Town's which had new infrastructure, industrial estates and business park's but under the right wing government these were often turned into ghetto's of the poor since they would then continually deprive these area's and the regions around them of resources funneling those resources almost always entirely into the areas were they had the strongest support so they corrupted the system every time creating a class barrier and then maintaining it by trapping people in economically deprived areas and ghetto's).

There will always be disabled people who can't work, people whom are unemployable and enemy's of such a system using them as a means to attack it calling it a failure.

So instead of a revolution let's hope that the Yank's stop taking whatever delusion creating drug they are on and realize that even though there ancestors were NOT from the same country as one another they are now one family and adopt some moderate social reform's, not going to happen under Trump though and even Obama's attempt's were lukewarm at best.

All we can do is pray for these people.

a reply to: musicismagic

Ya I would advise that you never visit that area nowadays. It has gotten much worse.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: musicismagic

I am not in the US but have to say what is happening there has been accelerating in the West since the fall of the soviet union.
Both extremes of political view are equally evil and equally inhumane.

Unfettered capitalism simply does not work, it has it's champion's whom claim that it does but it simply does not as it funnels' wealth into fewer and fewer hand's until any unregulated economy ends up with a tiny minority of ultra elite and a vast majority of poverty stricken wage slaves in fact we are already there but they are intent upon pushing it even further - there solution a cull of the human population or as the Tory's of Great Britain used to say "Natural wastage of the excess population - which to the Tory's meant killing them in work houses were they were worked to there death".
Deregulation of the economy and corporations is a way of bringing this about sooner rather than later.


Unfettered communism is just as evil, not only do we have the hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of death's caused by this system having been pushed over the former Soviet union and China as well as many other nations in the past but once in place it trap's people, in China today we see a form of Communism which is actually not communism but a new imperial system with the Communist party taking the place of the old imperial system, communist party members are paid more, have better housing and get rich quicker and there so called communism is actually NOT communism it is more about keeping there own power - the same thing also happened in the former soviet union.


The ONLY solution is to adopt the very model that western Europe is moving AWAY from, the socialist moderated economic's of the mid to late 20th century - best model Sweden, Norway and Denmark pre-EU membership and pre-migration crisis.
England also had a fairly good system but no where near as good as it's Nordic neighbors - west Germany was also very good and so too was France but a mixture of migration crisis, economic enemy's and right wing politic's - AND ULTRA LEFT WINGERS have ended this system - in spite of the fact that it was the most humane and best system to adopt for the entire population.
In these nation's comprehensive free health care was provided - maybe less so in France, there was a social safety net, business were given government subsidies to help with energy costs and land rent's to spur on job creation, transport infrastructure was moderated and well maintained since it was government controlled and social housing of a mixed but mostly fairly high standard kept people from being homeless but of course you were free to choose, could have your own business, could run for political office etc - most of the economic failing's of this period were nothing to do with these national policies but were in fact international banking system failures.

There will always be disabled people who can't work, people whom are unemployable and enemy's of such a system using them as a means to attack it calling it a failure.

So instead of a revolution let's hope that the Yank's stop taking whatever delusion creating drug they are on and realize that even though there ancestors were NOT from the same country as one another they are now one family and adopt some moderate social reform's, not going to happen under Trump though and even Obama's attempt's were lukewarm at best.

All we can do is pray for these people.

Thank you for posting what you did.
Street people are there for only one reason, and that is the handouts of charity. Don't believe me. Have charities close down and you will then understand the real reason of my post.

a reply to: LABTECH767

That was really well said...

a reply to: musicismagic

I have never been homeless,thank God for that,I do know someone
who was.In many cities it is against the law to be homeless and
living in your car.I don't think these homeless in tents will be any
real threat.When TPTB start rounding up people to put into "camps",
the homeless will be among the first to go.

originally posted by: mamabeth
a reply to: musicismagic

I have never been homeless,thank God for that,I do know someone
who was.In many cities it is against the law to be homeless and
living in your car.I don't think these homeless in tents will be any
real threat.When TPTB start rounding up people to put into "camps",
the homeless will be among the first to go.

If you ever served in the military, what you said is very true. I know.

originally posted by: Plotus
If Jeff Bezos would donate a weeks wages as a philanthropist, it might be enough to cure a lot of woes. But many homeless are that way by design.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

India is an example of a future for those who live in squalor.

This is part of the problem with the homeless.

Remember the homeless guy who gave his last $20 bucks to get a gal gas? The couple set up a GoFundMe to get him off the street. It raised $400,000, so they set out to help him get off the street with it. In short order, he had a laptop, an RV that he had parked on their property, and some other things out of it.

That's when the trouble started.

He couldn't kick his drug habit.

The couple also wasn't smart. They didn't want to just hand over his money because they knew he would just blow it on drugs. It's what he did with $25,000 they put into an account for him at Christmas time. And they were afraid he'd OD and die. At the same time, the guy had zero interest in any type of rehab program even though he could now afford the very best.

He wanted his money because he argued it was donated for him.

Long story short, they wound up in court over it. The couple was dumb and should have put the money in a trust separate from their own assets right away, and the real point is that this is why so many of the homeless are homeless. They have problems with drugs or mental health or both and haven't yet reached a point where they are willing to accept treatment.

Simply chucking money their way won't fix anything; it will only enable.

It's a shame too because I bet there's a decent guy hidden underneath that drug habit.

What you say is true, but it's a starting point.

There's nothing new under the Sun. We are almost at the end of the cycle, perhaps our children will live in the new cycle.

commonsensegovernment.com...

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: musicismagic

I am not in the US but have to say what is happening there has been accelerating in the West since the fall of the soviet union.
Both extremes of political view are equally evil and equally inhumane.

Unfettered capitalism simply does not work, it has it's champion's whom claim that it does but it simply does not as it funnels' wealth into fewer and fewer hand's until any unregulated economy ends up with a tiny minority of ultra elite and a vast majority of poverty stricken wage slaves in fact we are already there but they are intent upon pushing it even further - there solution a cull of the human population or as the Tory's of Great Britain used to say "Natural wastage of the excess population - which to the Tory's meant killing them in work houses were they were worked to there death".
Deregulation of the economy and corporations is a way of bringing this about sooner rather than later.


Unfettered communism is just as evil, not only do we have the hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of death's caused by this system having been pushed over the former Soviet union and China as well as many other nations in the past but once in place it trap's people, in China today we see a form of Communism which is actually not communism but a new imperial system with the Communist party taking the place of the old imperial system, communist party members are paid more, have better housing and get rich quicker and there so called communism is actually NOT communism it is more about keeping there own power - the same thing also happened in the former soviet union.


The ONLY solution is to adopt the very model that western Europe is moving AWAY from, the socialist moderated economic's of the mid to late 20th century - best model Sweden, Norway and Denmark pre-EU membership and pre-migration crisis.
England also had a fairly good system but no where near as good as it's Nordic neighbors - west Germany was also very good and so too was France but a mixture of migration crisis, economic enemy's and right wing politic's - AND ULTRA LEFT WINGERS have ended this system - in spite of the fact that it was the most humane and best system to adopt for the entire population.
In these nation's comprehensive free health care was provided - maybe less so in France, there was a social safety net, business were given government subsidies to help with energy costs and land rent's to spur on job creation, transport infrastructure was moderated and well maintained since it was government controlled and social housing of a mixed but mostly fairly high standard kept people from being homeless but of course you were free to choose, could have your own business, could run for political office etc - most of the economic failing's of this period were nothing to do with these national policies but were in fact international banking system failures.

(of note in Britain Social housing was built around so called New Town's which had new infrastructure, industrial estates and business park's but under the right wing government these were often turned into ghetto's of the poor since they would then continually deprive these area's and the regions around them of resources funneling those resources almost always entirely into the areas were they had the strongest support so they corrupted the system every time creating a class barrier and then maintaining it by trapping people in economically deprived areas and ghetto's).

There will always be disabled people who can't work, people whom are unemployable and enemy's of such a system using them as a means to attack it calling it a failure.

So instead of a revolution let's hope that the Yank's stop taking whatever delusion creating drug they are on and realize that even though there ancestors were NOT from the same country as one another they are now one family and adopt some moderate social reform's, not going to happen under Trump though and even Obama's attempt's were lukewarm at best.

All we can do is pray for these people.

Interesting post thanks. I like how Jordan Peterson put it. The right thinks people are lazy and just need to get off their ass while the left thinks anyone is capable of any job. Both extremes are wrong. Elon musk talks about this and has a school for his kids in where they are taught according to their talents, abilities, and what they want to learn essentially. Not everyone is the same nor capable of the same accomplishments.

a reply to: musicismagic


Someone like 'Bezos' could build a whole load of blocks for the homeless to sort themselves out... with monitoring I'm pretty sure most would take the opportunity to get themselves back on their feet. One problem I'd see with this though is the druggies would possibly keep doing drugs and the blocks would become hell-holes for most who were trying to go straight and sort themselves out... however with monitoring, they might succeed.

If things weren't to improve I'd imagine we could see a future where 'real zombies' are walking around.. i guess in those tent cities, there's just one disease breakout waiting to happen. Can you imagine something like 'ebola' showing up in one of these tent cities?

a reply to: LABTECH767

This guy gets it.

Locally, the homeless have become a plague on our city and while I used to feel bad for them, I now wish they would just gfto. Go somewhere with a cheap cost of living is step one. Its not rocket science. Some genuinely need help but most? I would not give a toss if the city rounded them up and bought them one way bus tickets out or jail their choice. Id applaud it really. They are wrecking our beautiful nature and destroying downtown round here.

Im mainly talking about the druggies begging often screaming from corners. Some folk here are more just about that hippy lifestyle and are happy living out of a van playing music and hey I can totally get behind that.

It is when you become a literal scary menance harrassing the rest of society that is a problem. Either shape up or gtfo. The entire damned city is hiring. And I feel redemption is simply impossible for many of them especially those addicted to years of use of hard drugs. Their mental hardware and wiring is now fried. What do ya do with em then?

There are no easy solutions to the problem but I am not too prideful or too ashamed to admit that I dont care all that much, I just want those like that to no longer be a plauge on the rest of us just trying to get by. It is what it is. Burn em out before they burn us down with them.

Life is about choices. Many of those folk made those choices willingly to get where they are. Wrong choices. Choices have consequence. That is life. There is no everything happens for a reason.

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: musicismagic


Someone like 'Bezos' could build a whole load of blocks for the homeless to sort themselves out... with monitoring I'm pretty sure most would take the opportunity to get themselves back on their feet. One problem I'd see with this though is the druggies would possibly keep doing drugs and the blocks would become hell-holes for most who were trying to go straight and sort themselves out... however with monitoring, they might succeed.

If things weren't to improve I'd imagine we could see a future where 'real zombies' are walking around.. i guess in those tent cities, there's just one disease breakout waiting to happen. Can you imagine something like 'ebola' showing up in one of these tent cities?

The catch is "with monitoring." Those two words more or less imply that we are taking people off the streets and also taking away certain freedoms they now have. There are plenty of people who now argue that it's wrong and inhumane to remove those freedoms, that these people have a right to make their own choices even when it becomes patently obvious they aren't capable of making those decisions for themselves in any reasonable way.

This is why there is such a poor mental health system in the US. You cannot hospitalize people who really should be hospitalized for mental health or addiction treatment against their will, not easily.

On the converse, state run mental health institutions really did do some pretty horrific and inhumane things to their inmates in the past too.

There is a fine line between helping and hurting and it's wrong to think the state is capable of benevolence and compassion anymore than any other large bureaucratic institution, profit motive or no. Make no mistake, every individual inside those structures are busy working for their paychecks and not necessarily because they care no matter how that money is derived be it through profit or state-coerced taxation.