Homosexuality is of God too, because God is LOVE, whether male or female (gender don't matter)

a reply to: Raggedyman

Because I make legitimate points someone on the fence might not have considered.

Plus the sooner we as a species realize we are masters of our own fate. The sooner we get our crap together.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Do you actually care to explain that in detail
Seriously, prove evolution as a scientific fact not a theory, head over to the forums
Global flood, prove it didn't happen

Talk loud but show me the science

1000 testable claims and you have actually shown zero anything, zero
Zero

Sorry Josh you have nothing I am interested in
Just another fundamentalist atheist with an axe to grind, moaning and crying because someone won't agree with you

Grow up and toughen up, you are not a child princess

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Plus the sooner we as a species realize we are masters of our own fate. The sooner we get our crap together.

We are still masters of our own fate when we do believe in God. And yes, we need to get it together as a species. You think God doesn’t know this ? He was extremely gracious in giving us free will , and as I see it is being extremely patient and gracious as the human race “tries” to get it together.

a reply to: Raggedyman

A) Gravity is theory...

You know.. the thing everyone agrees is how we don’t fly off the planet into oblivion..

You can play those laughable word games with someone else..

A scientific theory IS A FACT!!

A layman’s term theory is a guess.


Your pretending like scientific theory means the same as the colloquial “theory”.

Which Is something I know you already know, because this is not your first religion debate..

B) every culture (roughly) has a flood MYTH...

There is not enough water on the planet to flood the whole world.. even if you melted every icecap, exc.

There are legitimate scientists who have discovered big regional floods.. no SCIENTIST has EVER CLAIMED , the entire earth flooded..

The biblical claim is not “there was a big 10,000 year regional flood that tricked those who witnessed it into thinking it was the whole world”..

The biblical claim is that every mountain was covered by water.. which is impossible..

The biblical claim is that every land animal and bird was saved by fitting on one boat that is laughably too small for the job..


The biblical claim
Is also that these single pairs of animals and what?? 3 breeding pairs of humans then incested humanity into existence..

A genetic bottle kneck that our and every other animal on the planet’s DNA would clearly show..


So JUST THE FLOOD MYTH , makes what, 6-7 testable claims?? All that fail..

1) is a boat big as the arc, big enough to hold 2 of all the worlds animals?? Nope.

2) did one family or 6 people incest humanity into existence?? Nope

3) enough water on the planet to cover Everest?? Nope..

4) could a single breeding pair create a species?? Nope..

5) would raining for 30 days and night move enough water?? Nope.

6) was there a global flood 10,000 years ago?? Nope..

7) was there a civilization of giants 10,000 years ago??

Nope..

C) I am agnostic.. the concept of some higher dimensional being cannot be debunked, yet..

The testable claims of Christianity have failed horribly..

a reply to: Sheye

No we are not?!?!

We are bit players in God’s plan..

Freewill is a meaningless term.. it is not a scientific term.


But let’s pretend for a second freewill is a scientific term..

If god planned out the world and timeline. We don’t have free will. If we had free will we could change gods plan. Revelations would be meaningless because it would just be one possible future.. NOT THE FUTURE.

Because if we have freewill we could decide not to convert.. or refuse to play whatever other role we are supposed to play in the Christian myths.


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So can you explain to me why there is no dna evidence of a genetic bottle kneck where Noah’s family incested humanity into existence??


There are a thousand claims the Bible makes that should have left a mark. That couldn’t and according to the Bible didn’t happen in a vacuum....

The sequence of 7 day creation is totally wrong..

That’s a testable claim..

You can’t have fish and oceans before you have the sun and stars..

The universe was not created in 7 days..


Humanity isnt the most recent species to evolve.,



The only testable claim that matches biblical accounts is “that the universe had a begining” and it got literally everything else wrong..

So why did god lie to his prophets about those things???

Why haven’t we learned ANYTHING about the nature of reality from the Bible??

If it were accurate the cristian creation account would say..

“ billions of years ago god created a massive expansion of a couple elements. Which then gravity used to create stars. Which used fusion to create all the elements of creation. From there planets began to form and a billion years later, life..

Then god decided he liked one species of ape and gave it conciousness. “

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Yes it's a theory, care to explain scientificaly how and why it works
Yours is an ignorant argument
Bloody ignorant

Nothing

a reply to: JoshuaCox

No we are not?!?!

You’re the one who said the sooner we realize we are in charge of our own fate, the sooner we can fix this planet.

Which is it ? That sounds like free will to me.

a reply to: Raggedyman


Yes it is a SCIENTIFIC THEORY=

A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested, in accordance with the scientific method, using a predefined protocol of observation and experiment.[1][2] Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge.[3] The definition of a scientific theory (often contracted to theory for the sake of brevity) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from the common vernacular usage of the word theory.[4][Note 1] In everyday speech, theory can imply that something is an unsubstantiated and speculative guess,[4] the opposite of its meaning in science. These different usages are comparable to the opposing usages of prediction in science versus common speech, where it denotes a mere hope.

So do you ever get tired of using BS and dishonest word games to validate your personal world view??

a reply to: Sheye

Freewill is not an objective term with a bright line that seperates itself animal instinct or being enslaved..


It is a BS term that sounds good and means nothing..


There is no scientific theory that requires you to factor in “freewill”..

Freewill is not really different than the layman’s term theory..

In bs conversation it has a “meaning” in objective truth or science/biology they have no meaning..

There is no letter assigned to “freewill” like G is for gravity or E is for energy...

There is no formula like E= MC2 .. where “freewill” has to be plugged in..

It has no more meaning than “getting jiggy with it” or being “woke”. Lol

a reply to: JoshuaCox

That is merely your opinion on those words, but you are entitled to your opinion. Have a nice day Joshua.

a reply to: Sheye

Lol


Those are not opinions lol..

An opinion is something that cannot be objectively proven..

The fact there is no scientific notation or theorem that requires you to plug in “freewill” is not an opinion...


The fact that “freewill” is exactly as scientificly relevant as “getting jiggy with it” , is not an opinion..

There is not one single repeatable experiment that requires faith, freewill or getting jiggy with it.. not one.


Because those words have no objective meaning...

It is your opinion humans have freewill and animals do not..

It is my opinion that I am better at getting jiggy with it than you..

Why???

BECAUSE NEITHER OF THOSE WORDS HAS ANY OBJECTIVE MEANING!!

There is no bright line that seperates things with and without free will..

Exactly like there is no bright line that seperates when you are getting jiggy with it and when you are not..

a reply to: JoshuaCox

There is no bright line that seperates things with and without free will..

It would be considered free will if someone came along and bonked you on the head. It is not your free will that it happened, but you exercise free will in how you choose to deal with it.

You are making this way more complicated than it actually is.

a reply to: Sheye

So why isn’t it freewill if a dog walks by and bites me??

Or if a bird poops on my head??

Because there is no objective definition of freewill. Objective truth requires objective standards.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Often we are at the mercy of the free will of others, including animals 😏. Doesn’t mean free will does not exist. God knows when someone has been manipulated and groomed, and when they act out of pure selfish,malicious intent under their own jurisdiction.

There are certain aspects of living for animals as well as humans that involve body functions that are sometimes difficult to control or in the case of birds, maybe they can’t control ( or they aim 😆.. they do have good eyesight)

Anyhow.. we are running this thread of topic, so this will be my last post on this little side topic of free will. Have a nice evening Joshua.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Yes Gravity is a scientific theory, don't be a child
I asked you explain it, not its validity
You believe in Gravity even though it can't be explained, do you have any quotient to reason at all JC, really
Are you just reactive, to ignorant to reason

You are trying to make me look stupid by saying I believe that Adam and Eve were incestuous, really?
So what does evolution teach?
Reason that out, stop and think what you believe, space dirt and water and incestuous relations since however life started, you are nuts to try to isolate me when you believe that evolution is a fact. Evolution relies on incest, all of it

dishonest to validate my worldview, unbelievable how someone hasn't the capacity to reason their own faith

On the theory of gravity again, please explain how it works, I agree with the theory of gravity, I asked how it works, scientificaly, why it works
Are you so ignorant you can't understand a simple argument

Flying elephant

a reply to: lightofgratitude

Homosexuality is 100% OK, because a follower of Christ only follows Christ's Law (Love Others As Yourself). To judge by religious rules instead of having discernment by The Spirit (LOVE) is to live like The Pharisees.

If you are Jewish and under the law of Moses then you must adhere to the covenant of Leviticus 20:13

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

If you are of the covenant of Jesus then you must adhere to His covenant as He taught His disciples. Not necessarily apostles but all disciples of His covenant. Celestial Love is not terrestrial lust.

Romans 1:26-28
(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
(27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

1Timothy 1:9-10
(9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
(10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

1Corinthians 6:9-10
(9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
(10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

You need not obey any of this if you don't believe it but then that is your prerogative.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Gravity can be explained.

It is the exponential bending of time space around objects with mass..

But more than being explained it can be measured JUST LIKE ANYTHING OTHER THING WE CONSIDER TO BE OBJECTIVELY REAL..

Guess what suspiciously cannot be measured or registered on ANY tool we have for measuring reality???

Anything to do with religion..

In 3000 years of recorded history , with basically every single human being in History devoting atleast some portion of their lives to religious studies. What have they got as proof ANY OF ITS REAL??

Nothing....

Not one spell, prayer or exorcism that has anything resembling measurable results..

a reply to: JoshuaCox

I asked you to explain gravity
Like a coward you go back to moaning about religion

Time and space bent around objects, that is stupid and a childlike explanation

I never said there was any proof to religion, you are moaning again
But you believe in gravity with out any understanding of it, it's there, but it's not known how
Difference is you are not smart enough to see your own ignorance

curiosity.com...

Or maybe you are so arrogant you can't even admit the truth

Anyway, discussing this with you is akin to explaining how to do calculus with a tree, pointless

a reply to: Seede

Paul's opinion on homosexuality doesn't matter. Matthew 7:12 says that we just need to treat people how we would want to be treated in all things.

Homosexuality is 100% just as valid as heterosexuality.

originally posted by: lightofgratitude
a reply to: Seede

Paul's opinion on homosexuality doesn't matter. Matthew 7:12 says that we just need to treat people how we would want to be treated in all things.

Yeah but Matthew didn't say a person should invest their whole sense of self into whatever sexual mores they hold to.

Isn't that a waste of time spiritually?

That goes for both sides of the issue; hardcore homo's ( sappho's? ) and hardcore homophobes ( sapphophobes?).

Oops, was I insensitive?


If your hackles rose at that you are too attached to sexual identity!!