MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way, Thanks Feminism

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: Krazysh0t

So you posted one article claiming it’s false??? I’m sorry, this is a dynamic that has been known for to long to count. Walk down the street and ask everyone you meet. I guarantee you will find that society has accepted the alpha vs beta dynamic. You’re opinion is a one-off.

This is a bandwagon fallacy as well as an appeal to tradition fallacy.

By not answering my question repeatedly, I think it’s reasonably fair to say you’re probably a BMP. They always defend their stance. Until they get snapped, like I did.

I think you know nothing about me.

Ask yourself, are you the bread winner in your household? Do you still enjoy the same hobbies / activities that you did before you were married? Because you sure are on this site a lot, don’t know how you’d have time.

Yeah. I do actually.

Ironically, to further my point, being a conspiracy theorist is one of the biggest signs of an unhappy beta male. They talk about it in many MGTOW videos. Always trying to find a problem with everything, to distract from ones own unhappy life.

For someone who apparently is so very aware of my continued presence here you should know that I don't subscribe to many CT's and am not that paranoid. Try again. Your ability to read people is awful and you just sound like an arrogant ass.

a reply to: peck420

People certainly believe it exists and some take it too far, but the same is true for religion. That doesn't make it a true belief though. Humans are FAR more complex than a simple labeling of alpha or beta. It does our brains and personalities a huge disservice to distill them into two simple labels.

originally posted by: ClovenSky
Boys trying to just be themselves.

Sometimes being yourself is not enough. Sometimes your true self isn't an attractive person, that doesn't mean you should fake it, it means you should work on yourself.

These poor boys being led to the slaughter with brainwashing similar to ISIS. You did say ISIS didn't you?

Yes, their ideas towards society, especially towards the role of women are exactly in line with ISIS.

originally posted by: ClovenSky
Either you are being really sarcastic or you actually believe this stuff.

Hmmmmm, male or female....male or female .... guessing ... leaning in one direction ... hmmmmmm

Male.

If there's nothing legally binding, nothing can happen to your assets. If there is, you have to evenly split assets earned from the time you were together. If you want to simplify that process, get a prenup because it removes breakup emotions from the equation.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Humans are FAR more complex than a simple labeling of alpha or beta. It does our brains and personalities a huge disservice to distill them into two simple labels.

I agree with you there but there is definitely a pecking order, and everyone knows roughly their place in it based on money and/or power/physical prowess/network contacts.
Labels yep, so simplistic.

a reply to: Aazadan

Lol, my ex wife is still joint named on my bank accounts. She could clean me out if she wanted, but I trust her absolutely.
The reason I've kept her on my accounts is if I die then there is no messing around getting my money, just do a bank transfer, legally.

Sometimes I think people post what they want reality to be and not what it actually is

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Humans are FAR more complex than a simple labeling of alpha or beta. It does our brains and personalities a huge disservice to distill them into two simple labels.

I agree with you there but there is definitely a pecking order, and everyone knows roughly their place in it based on money and/or power/physical prowess/network contacts.
Labels yep, so simplistic.

Only loosely though, and this is why the alpha/beta dynamic is false. Because someone lower on your "pecking order" can easily rise up to higher heights (or fall into the depths) given the right opportunities, training, change in mental attitude, or just plain luck. US society is built around the American Dream of doing just that. There is nothing holding you back except yourself and a person's thinking and mental acuity changes throughout their lives. So being held back today doesn't mean you will be held back forever.

a reply to: toysforadults

Lol, I always post the truth, I haven't got the memory to pull off bull# so I'm warts n all, here and all social media.

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: Aazadan

It’s very clear you’re trying to bait me. It’s not going to work, though. I appreciate your statement, as I’m sure there are many D-bags on the internet trying to justify / victimize themselves for their circumstances being similar to mine. The ones you mean to attack are the guys that are BS fathers. I’m not one of them. Troll somewhere else.

I'm not trying to bait you, it's an honest question. I ask the same any time someone says they are/were a good X. People often consider themselves to be good at things (especially relating to family or careers), but good in it's most permissive context would be the 50% that are above average not everyone can be that. So I ask, what sort of empirical evidence do you have that can prove your opinion that you were a good father rather than just doing the best you could do? What if your best wasn't actually doing a good job?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Again agreed
Hiding in moms basement playing video games and whining about women won't help though, that's for sure.

alot of these men/boys are just coing across as bitter they dont have women who ''do as they are told'' or worship the ground they walk on, but to me the common denominator with all these failed relationships is them.
we are only hearing their side of the story also they are talking like they only earn the money most women work full or part time and also if they have got house wives, the wives are still working they clean cook and wash their clothes, caring for their children.
so many are saying they are alpha males but how many alpha males do you know who ahve to keep telling people they are, they just are leaders.

i want to hear the stories from these exes as to why they left the men. im not saying women are all innocent parties but to me theres always two sides to a coin

a reply to: kerrichin

They are alpha fails

originally posted by: Whereismypassword
a reply to: kerrichin

They are alpha fails

haha so true

a reply to: Whereismypassword

Do you think 'how' people live in the US and other nations big cities affects this 'thing' with blokes?
Disconnected from each other, living in suburbs and having to drive to meet friends?
I was just musing to myself, and pretty much all my friends are only a few minutes walk from each other (male and female), plus all our pubs/bars/music venues a short walk away so it's easy to hook up and socialise.
I only have to look in my facebook feed and someone will be going somewhere fun so all I have to do is walk down and join in the party.

On a similar note, because it is so tight knit as a community, speaking to girls is really easy as we all have mutual friends, it's just a case of "hi, we've never spoken before, I'm..." "How long have you been friends with X?", big smile and conversation started.
Also I've never met any 'raging feminists' in my life so either they only exist online or it's a more of a US thing...girls around here can go out with no money and still have a fun night milking drinks out of us silly men lol
Nobody minds here though, that's the arrangement it's always been, gotta work for the booty, pay for the taxi home, the kebab on the way etc.

I like it, but maybe we're old fashioned in my parts

There are plenty of good people, of either sex, out there. If you find that you only meet backstabbing, lying, cheating, stealing ones, then you need to examine why you make those choices.

We choose who to bring into our lives; Most of the times its because we have lessons to learn. For example, I had a friend that was in an abusive marriage, he beat her and berated her and she would call me up in the middle of the night, in her nightgown in the middle of nowhere, where she would flee on foot and I would wash off the blood, get her coffee and let her sleep on my couch.

And the next morning he'd come knocking and she'd leave with him. He even threw her out of their car while we were all on our way to Vegas when they got married. And she got back in and went and married him.

She finally left him after years and years - and within two years was with a man just like him.

See, because there was some need inside her, some baggage, some THING, that wasn't allowing her to move on. This is all part of the 'Battered Spouse Syndrome' but, it applies for all relationships, even friendships.

Sometimes it's as simple as it's the only way we know how to be intimate. We learn from parents, or our early relationships, and then nothing else feels 'right'. We unconsciously seek out the same sorts of people that verify our world view. Our brain physically changes, these neural pathways grow and strengthen, reinforcing thought patterns and emotions.

So if you find yourself in one bad relationship after another, you need to ask yourself about your choices.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I honestly think the internet is making them how they are mate, as our sword slashing dandy mustached fellow Brit has posted you get back in the saddle and ride again after a fall!

I guess some read a lot of stuff saying they are a victim they then actualy feel like one, that’s the trouble with online movements like this

They also have a negative outlook on relationships and that in turn will point them in a nagative direction

Big city or sleepy small town, that negativity will only point them in one direction in future relationships

a reply to: Whereismypassword

Good points mate
I don't know anyone like that, my social circle is pretty big and mostly made up of us who did the free parties/raves in the 90's though so there is a massive common link and the loved up vibe never went away.
It's funny, our kids run the sound rigs and DJing now so beach parties etc are all ages from 16 to 50+, they all grew up as toddlers around camp fires listening to repetitive beats lol.

It sounds a mighty bleak existence though, I couldn't imagine my life without my female friends, especially when they drunk call me after midnight and we gas on for an hour or so. I'm round female mates often having cooked food in exchange for maintenance type jobs, putting up shelves blah, then sharing a bottle of wine and becoming a bit more than friends - if you get my drift

a reply to: toysforadults

as a woman, the first thing I did for my daughter was refuse to allow Disney movies in the house-or any other kids movie that portrayed what I call "White Knight Syndrome" . Why? because that isn't life at all, there is never a knight who rides in on a charger to save the day, or a prince who whisks you away to his palace and makes everything okay. Relationships and everyday life require two hard working people to make it work. What you get when only one side is working at it, is the type of female/male relations we have today.

That being said, I understand these mens point of view. And worse yet "gasp" I agree with them, and I'm a woman.

Women need to understand something very quickly. It takes two to tango. If you want a good life with a good man, then you have to work with him. Its not all about YOU!

The current social trends are convincing women that we can do it all, and do it alone . Granted I did survive as a single parent for a some years, but that's all I did-survive. I put food on the table, a roof over our heads, and shoes and clothes on my kid. As far as having any disposable income, that was none existent. As for relationships, until I met my husband, nothing worth mentioning. There were several reasons why, 1) even 14 years ago men had already discovered the Baby Momma trend-sleep with him and then file for child support. 2)They had also realized that a lot of women lie about what they are really after. 3) Men don't want to be considered a piece of meat any ore than a woman does.

I feel for these guys who are out there looking. (I have a brother, who divorced is still looking for a decent woman some 18 years later, and he is one of those "good" guys) Now at near retirement age, he isn't looking for 33 year olds any more, he is looking for a woman who has her own income, and that he can enjoy his later years with, someone close to his own age, that's very hard to find in a nation full of Baby Mommas with 5 kids in tow collecting child support off of 5 different men. Which unfortunately is the majority of what he is meeting and no he isn't looking in bars or online.

Then again, I have a girlfriend who refuses to date or marry a man who watches porn, among other things. To her, this man must be perfect, and that just doesn't exist- she has set her bar too high. She wonders why she hasn't found anyone in the 10 years she has been looking-1) her expectations are too high, on par with the White Knight Syndrome, 2) she has a child -now teenage boy in tow, 3) She also has an inflated sense of self- as in her looks, as far as that goes she isn't that great of a catch. Instead of being willing to settle for a man who loves her, maybe watches porn once in a while, gets along great with her son, and is willing to share the rest of his life with her, she would rather wait for her prince. And now, she's 58, single, and still searching for something she is unlikely to find.

If one part of the equation only wants sex and nothing else, it wont work, if one part wants a meal ticket and nothing else it wont work. And weeding through the riff raff is discouraging on both sides. Remember there are some good women out there with reasonable expectations, and we are looking for you, just as you good men are looking for us.

originally posted by: blkdog
Men don't want to be considered a piece of meat any ore than a woman does.

I don't mind that occasionally
Most of my intimate encounters are with female friends who I do love deeply though, just I don't want to commit so our friendships are like loving pseudo relationships anyway which satisfies me.
I'll fix a car or do some physical/practical work, get fed fine cooked food, then share a bottle of wine together and cozy up on the couch watching a chick-flick or whatever.

I couldn't imagine not having the amazing female relationships I have in my life, and not all of them like each other but I do sly counselling to help them find middle ground...get the best gossip off girls as well lol, they know everything!