The issue with atheism

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Woodcarver
I think I'll abandon this thread. It's too emotional. How about some self control.

How about not taking your ball and going home after poking the bear and not liking the reactions you get?

How about adressing my claim that if you claim you worship nothing you are claiming to be sovereign.

This has been addressed many times over in your thread.

Only a souvereign being, of which there is only one, God, does not worship anything.
The word says itself "souvereign".

Says who?

But, easy as it is as an atheist, there is no need to explain souvereign, it's not in the dictionary cause nothing like that exists, so they claim.

Well souvereign (sic) isn't in the dictionary because it isn't a word, but sovereign totally is and you don't need to be a god to express sovereignty either.

I see I'm wasting my time, really.

So you were just looking for an echo chamber of agreement then?

There is a thing we like to call "Burden of proof", which means if you make a claim, it's up to you to supply the evidence for it.

Atheist make no claims and therefore have nothing to prove.

If your faith is strong, an Atheist is of no real threat to.
On the other side, if your faith is strong you could possibly be deadly to an Atheist.

Arizona Woman Shoots And Kills Atheist For Not Believing In God

Have You Killed An Atheist Today?

Killings for Christianity

Religious teen shoots and murders another teen for being an atheist.

a reply to: Hammaraxx

The atheist, scientificaly minded say/state there is no God
Christians say by faith there is a God

No burden on Christians by the faith statement, it's not scientific

Reload, try again

China, Russia, Cambodia, la la la kill believers because..........

a reply to: Raggedyman

I'm atheist and I don't say "There are no gods" just that I don't believe any of the claims.
Try again.

a reply to: Woodcarver

I don’t think i am a god. All i have ever asked is that one of the religious people explain their beliefs in a way that makes sense. Most religios just turn away in frustration.

"All you've ever asked" c' mon Carver. I've
explained how what I believe makes way more
sense than what you don't believe ad nauseam.
Stop lying and get a life.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
The atheist, scientificaly minded say/state there is no God

I disagree.

I'm an atheist and my position is, you claim there is a God, I say prove it, you say you can't, so I say I don't believe you.

That's it. I can't say for certainty, 'There is no God' because you can't prove a negative.

And in all honesty, we're *all* agnostics as no one truly knows.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Atheism is a choice not to believe in a god or gods
No more, no less
I don't think it's fair to add or assume anymore into that

Atheists all have different opinions and like jelly beans, come in all colours and flavores of their ideas

CORRECT!

Then we bring in the term: "Atheist Philosophy" - - - which is the individual thinking (belief) of an individual atheist.

That's where believers get confused. They have Group Think - - atheists don't.

Listening to any one atheist - - - only tells you what that one person thinks (believes) - - - their philosophy.

Lack of belief in a God/Deity is the single connecting factor.

a reply to: noonebutme

And in all honesty, we're *all* agnostics as no one truly knows. 

I disagree, just because I can't give you the
kind of evidence you require? Doesn't mean
i can't know something.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Well, sorta. I'm more "neutral good."

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Hammaraxx

The atheist, scientificaly minded say/state there is no God

NO

While some atheists will state: "There is no God".

The correct thinking is: "Lack of Belief in a God/Deity".

For me the correct term is: "Agnostic Atheist" - - Lack of belief in a God/Deity - - but, the default position that God can not be proven or disproven.

originally posted by: noonebutme

And in all honesty, we're *all* agnostics as no one truly knows.

YES!

But, try to get a believer to agree to that.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Woodcarver

I think I'll abandon this thread. It's too emotional. How about some self control.

How about adressing my claim that if you claim you worship nothing you are claiming to be sovereign.
Only a souvereign being, of which there is only one, God, does not worship anything.
The word says itself "souvereign".

But, easy as it is as an atheist, there is no need to explain souvereign, it's not in the dictionary cause nothing like that exists, so they claim.

I see I'm wasting my time, really.

Slow down there, and let’s talk it out. Don’t abandon the discussion just because it’s difficult. It hasn’t really even started.


Let’s address your sovereignty issue. I do not worship anything, and find no reason to do so. I’m not sure exactly what you mean by sovereignty though. I do feel like i am my own person and not beholden to anyone else unless i choose to be. Is there something else that you mean?

a reply to: randyvs

How do you know? How?

originally posted by: noonebutme

originally posted by: Raggedyman
The atheist, scientificaly minded say/state there is no God

I disagree.

I'm an atheist and my position is, you claim there is a God, I say prove it, you say you can't, so I say I don't believe you.

That's it. I can't say for certainty, 'There is no God' because you can't prove a negative.

And in all honesty, we're *all* agnostics as no one truly knows.

So I am at a bit of a loss
Atheist. There is no God
Agnostic. I don't know

So what is it

a reply to: Annee

NO
You don't get to decide/declare what others say or think

I didn't believe some Christians believed if you didn't speak in tongues you were not a Christian till I met one

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: noonebutme

And in all honesty, we're *all* agnostics as no one truly knows.

YES!

But, try to get a believer to agree to that.

No
You are not the end all and be all of choice
You believe you are right, no more no less

Your arrogance is self serving, it's irrelevant

You won't agree with me, that much I know

Atheist here
To be honest I don't give a thought to if god or gods exist. Occasionally I run across a thread like this which makes me chuckle and think about it for a second or two in order to reply. Since last time that happened, I still don't see any reason to start believing in deities, but if there is ever new convincing evidence brought to my attention showing they exist that will probably change.

Until next time.

a reply to: Peeple

How could I not know? I accept the evidence
that is rejected only by atheist hate. It can be
reasoned that a belief in nothing is for more
preposterous even scientifically than belief
In a supreme being. The whole world we live
in examples everyday that life only comes
from life. Been on these boards almost ten
years and have'nt read one post that
staggered my conclusions for a second.
Not even close.

Do have to mention subjective evidence?

originally posted by: randyvs
I disagree, just because I can't give you the
kind of evidence you require? Doesn't mean
i can't know something.

It depends on what you're referring to.

If you said you love you mum and I say prove it, and you cannot, that doesn't mean it isn't true. I may still not believe you (even though I probably would believe you!) but that doesn't mean it isn't real.

Same when you say, you believe in God. I say prove it and when you can't (because no one can) and I say, I don't believe you, doesn't mean God doesn't exist. It just means I do not believe you claim as there's no evidence I can use to verify your claim.

Now, for the record, I do not believe in God, not just because you yourself cannot prove it but also the logical and realistic fallacies such a being represents.

And yes, no one knows if there is a God. You can claim you do, but you do not. Just like religious people who claim to know what God wants and feels. They don't. No one does.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
So I am at a bit of a loss
Atheist. There is no God
Agnostic. I don't know

So what is it

Well, if you're going for the clear cut definition, as I said, atheism is the disbelief in a god or supernatural element based on the fact there is no supporting evidence. It isn't a "state of mind' or a belief system. It's the same as saying you don't believe in the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus because there is no evidence. You aren't a 'aBunnyist' or an 'aSantaist' are you?

An agnostic is someone who says it's impossible to know if there is a God, but is open to the possibility.

And that's kind of where 100% of all humanity is -- no one actually knows (even if Randyvs claims he does,he doesnt) so technically speaking we could all be in for a surprise. Or more likely, oblivion. I suspect the latter, given the nature of the universe.