The issue with atheism

Well.... really, were all putting words in the OP's mouth, even I. I just assumed their ability to convey a thought/message was a bit less than articulate. But I think I sense a train of thought never the less. Perhaps that is presumptuous on my part.a reply to: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Incandescent

Well whatever you are, I don't think you are talking common sense

Anyway, my apologies for forcing atheists for outing themselves, must be so horrible for them

It’s only horrible for us when cranky christians try to tell us what we actually believe.

Proving atheism is similar to religious a persons who try to justify their irrational ideology, people who espouse pseudo-science often advance a rather spurious argument. They try to argue that, although they may not be able to prove the validity of their claims, neither can science disprove their claims. This argument conveniently disregards a basic axiom of logic: The burden of proof is always on the claimant. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof

It is logically impossible and logically contradictory to require another person to prove that something does not exist. We can only prove that something exists; nobody can prove that something does not exist.

An analytically inclined mind will stipulate that unless something manifests itself objectively, it does not exist. It may still exist in somebody’s mind as a hallucination, or in another dimension, or in the deep sea. However, as far as human beings are concerned, if an object or event does not manifest itself in any form, manner or shape to human beings, it simply does not exist. If it does not manifest itself to human beings, it obviously has no effect on our life and we can safely disregard it. So here we have an impasse obviously, and debate for the sake of debate. Nonproductive...

Faith... the belief in something not seen or detected by the senses. Yet a powerful motivator.

a reply to: Plotus

Well the OP is putting words in all atheists' mouths. So turnabout is fair play.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
This is what doesn't add up with atheism.

Atheism is the distantiation of God. These people claim to worship nothing, so are in fact claiming to be souvereign/supreme beings, actually God himself.

I wonder what their doctrine is about.

They very much lack souvereignity if you ask me.

or perhaps this is what you call souvereign:

I don’t think i am a god. All i have ever asked is that one of the religious people explain their beliefs in a way that makes sense. Most religios just turn away in frustration.

a reply to: Incandescent

so you are suggesting I am ridiculing

well well..

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Incandescent

Well whatever you are, I don't think you are talking common sense

Anyway, my apologies for forcing atheists for outing themselves, must be so horrible for them

It’s only horrible for us when cranky christians try to tell us what we actually believe.

Lol, I agree with that
I wasn't going to comment in this thread, they are a bit boring popping up every now and then.
I don't even care about the atheist label either, I don't use the term myself, I simply ssay I don't believe in any gods because I've seen nothing to draw me towards believing such claims. It is a rational position.

Why the hard-on for the label anyway, I don't believe in dragons or pixies either but there is no umbrella term for my lack of belief in those examples. Adragonist? Apixieist? It really is quite pathetic how some religious folk are so desperate to give added value to simply not believing claims which are impossible to verify.

a reply to: Plotus

what's with the high sounding nonsense

I don't see that... I think rather that observations are being put forth.a reply to: Krazysh0t

a reply to: Woodcarver

sad bro

a reply to: Plotus

My advice to religios is to become so adept at science, that they can either prove their claims beyond any reasonable doubt, or finally understand why there is no reason to believe these things anymore.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Woodcarver

sad bro

Please expand on your thoughts. you have a house full of atheists, Here is your chance to ask us some questions.

What. Then please expound on your statement OP, you seem to have left many here grasping for meaning. or perhaps it is Bait ? At any rate I was leaning towards your defense, but clearly I was on the wrong channel. a reply to: Out6of9Balance

a reply to: Plotus

It isn't an observation. It's him trying to affix extra meaning to the definition of atheism, which is putting words in our mouths. An observation would be more akin to him saying he sees a lot of atheists believe they are gods; instead he affixes this ridiculousness to the default definition. -I- don't believe I'm a god and think it's a measure of extreme arrogance to label myself as such, but I'm an atheist nonetheless.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
so you are suggesting I am ridiculing

well well..

You are straw-manning their views at the very least.

Why don't you stop being so vague and answer some of the questions put to you?

I will state Jesus is my savior, and now I will take my leave, I am finished here, good day to all.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Lol, I'm still waiting for someone to come out with the tired old line that it rquires faith to be an atheist. Even better "atheism is a religion".
I wonder why some religious folk seem almost threatened by lack of faith in their god claims. As I said previously I don't believe in dragons either but there is no silly name for that like Adragonism.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Incandescent

Well whatever you are, I don't think you are talking common sense

Anyway, my apologies for forcing atheists for outing themselves, must be so horrible for them

It’s only horrible for us when cranky christians try to tell us what we actually believe.

Lol, I agree with that

I wasn't going to comment in this thread, they are a bit boring popping up every now and then.
I don't even care about the atheist label either, I don't use the term myself, I simply ssay I don't believe in any gods because I've seen nothing to draw me towards believing such claims. It is a rational position.

Why the hard-on for the label anyway, I don't believe in dragons or pixies either but there is no umbrella term for my lack of belief in those examples. Adragonist? Apixieist? It really is quite pathetic how some religious folk are so desperate to give added value to simply not believing claims which are impossible to verify.

Oh, i agree whole heartedly. But the word exists and i fit the definition. Eventually it may go away, but i am happy to spread awareness that not everybody believes in deities. I am well read on the issues and make it a hobby to converse and educate those who would like to understand what it means to not accept some claims. Hey, it worked for the gays, and now they are practically a protected class.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Do you want to have a conversation? Or did you just want to tell everyone what you think?

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

From my experience it has a lot to do with the religious requiring faith in their lives so much so that they cannot consider how things would work without it. So when someone comes along and says they don't believe in god(s) this becomes a matter of faith to them. However, as you pointed out there is no adragonism. Atheism only exists as a word because religion is a thing. Without religion an atheist wouldn't need to declare himself an atheist. It would be redundant and silly.