Oh you guys are gonna have a field day. Cohen was wiretapped!

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Wayfarer
Has it been mentioned yet that apparently the wiretap recorded a call between Trump and Cohen telling Cohen to burn everything, which is why the FBI raided Cohen's office when they did?

Would you be so kind as to source this as this is the first I have seen of this.

Speculative. As of direct value to Avenatti, he mentions that it's likely the aforementioned occurrences happened to drive the raid.

Daniels’s attorney, Michael Avenatti, told MSNBC on Thursday afternoon that the wiretaps could help his client's case against the president. “I don’t think we’re going to find out that this was confined just to email or voice wiretaps,” he said “My understanding is that they were also wiretapping text message communications for the weeks leading up the FBI raids. I also think that ultimately it will be disclosed that during these wiretaps the FBI learned of means by which Michael Cohen and others were going to destroy or spoliate evidence or documentation.”

Source

a reply to: neo96

Th libertarian party wasn't formed yet so I don't know who y'all is...

It's so acceptable because people like devon nunes keep voting for the laws expansion to include more Americans.

But hey why talk about the reality.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

You can prove it huh? I guess if it happened that IG will have found it out. The FBI has already said the warrant on Carter Page was legally obtained so I'm hoping that you guys got more than that clown in the silly that to be your standard bearer because that one is going nowhere.

Yes I can prove both of those claims.

First on Obama violating campaign finance laws.

Barack Obama's presidential campaign has been fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for violating federal disclosure laws, Politico reports.

An FEC audit of Obama for America's 2008 records found the committee failed to disclose millions of dollars in contributions and dragged its feet in refunding millions more in excess contributions.

The resulting fine, one of the largest ever handed down by the FEC, is the result of a failure to disclose or improperly disclosing thousands of contributions to Obama for America during the then-senator's 2008 presidential run, documents show.

www.usnews.com...

And the Podesta group,

In mueller comments on manafort, he says he was working with two groups, which ended up being Mercury LLC and the podesta group, to lobby for the russian connected ukrainain president.

The podesta group was not charged, and was instead allowed to retrocativley file as a foriegn lobbyist.

The Podesta Group belatedly filed several new disclosures with the Justice Department on Aug. 17 related to work the firm completed between 2012 and 2014 on behalf of a pro-Russia Ukrainian think tank.

Back in April, the powerful Washington lobbying firm run by Clinton ally Tony Podesta filed a document admitting its work for the pro-Russia European Centre for a Modern Ukraine may have principally benefited a foreign government. New disclosures revealed dozens of previously unreported interactions the firm made with influential government offices, including Hillary Clinton's State Department and the office of former Vice President Joe Biden, while lobbying on behalf of the center. Embattled ex-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort failed to disclose his extensive lobbying efforts on behalf of the center at the time as well.

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

Did you really not know either of those?

As far as the FBI saying the warrant was legit, oh well that clears it up then!

No need to look into it.

In other news, Trump says he is innocent, so lets shut down the investigation right!

originally posted by: Sillyolme
In a recent statement Rudy is pissed. Even though as a prosecutor he used plenty of wire taps now he's opposed to them because he has an unstable client.
Apparently Guiliani suspected as much regarding the possibility of a wire tap and warned trump not to call Cohen in the days following the raid.

First off, what is the crime they are investigating with these taps Collusion is not a crime - even though Russian collusion is the reason the special prosecutor supposedly exists. Yes - that does indeed mean the special prosecutor should not exist, because it is not even investigating a real crime, it is investigating Trump and trying to find a crime.

Second - Attorney client privilege, this is a blatant violation of it - so the act of tapping his phone is a crime if it is used to listen in on any conversations with the president.

Third - Trump is not unstable - you don't like him, but everything he does is for a reason and is effective. Everything he does has reason behind it.

I think you are unstable for saying a man who became a billionare, had zero political experience yet became president, who has boosted the growth of the economy by more than double, successfully got China to remove tariffs through negotiation, wiped out isis, and ended the North Korean threat is unstable. That requires a ton of talent and total stability to accomplish ALL of that and more in less than a year and a half.

a reply to: Sillyolme

The only way I see a refferal from Mueller to the Southern district of New York fbi. Is that Mueller's probe had initiated surveillance on Cohen. And the fruits of that surveillance ended up having nothing to do with Mueller's probe. Hence why he handed a referral to the Southern district of New York.

a reply to: Grambler

Carter Page was known to associate with Russian spies and was supposedly being evaluated by them for recruitment. He had already been on FBI radar for years.
Do you know this man you're all depending on to save the day? Do you care he could have been working against our country with a foreign adversary? What if it was iran? Would it matter then? Tell me what you know and believe about Mr Carter Page.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Grambler

Well since you can't keep logic strait let me help you.

Prosecuting people with facts in court is not the same as tweeting unsubstantiated claims and slander over people who literally defend the US in court everyday.

I dont care that trump crioticizes the intel community.

Do you care that dems and others crictize cops and law enforcement? Must they shut up too?

Do you care that they criticize ICE?

Do you care that they tweet about and smear trump, who is the leader of the country? I guess they all have to shut up because they are hurting the country.

Do you care that Brennan, clapper and comey (the former heads of the intel community) smear trump every chance they get?

I guess its just trump may not criticize anyone, but the dems, media and intel community can tweet or yell about him all they want.

a reply to: Grambler

I guess its just trump may not criticize anyone, but the dems, media and intel community can tweet or yell about him all they want.

And it's perfectly acceptable for the dems to subvert the rule of law, and government agencies to spy on their political opponents trying to turn them in to political prisoners.

Flawless communist victory.

a reply to: Wayfarer

thanks

originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: Sillyolme
In a recent statement Rudy is pissed. Even though as a prosecutor he used plenty of wire taps now he's opposed to them because he has an unstable client.
Apparently Guiliani suspected as much regarding the possibility of a wire tap and warned trump not to call Cohen in the days following the raid.

First off, what is the crime they are investigating with these taps Collusion is not a crime - even though Russian collusion is the reason the special prosecutor supposedly exists. Yes - that does indeed mean the special prosecutor should not exist, because it is not even investigating a real crime, it is investigating Trump and trying to find a crime.

Second - Attorney client privilege, this is a blatant violation of it - so the act of tapping his phone is a crime if it is used to listen in on any conversations with the president.

Third - Trump is not unstable - you don't like him, but everything he does is for a reason and is effective. Everything he does has reason behind it.

I think you are unstable for saying a man who became a billionare, had zero political experience yet became president, who has boosted the growth of the economy by more than double, successfully got China to remove tariffs through negotiation, wiped out isis, and ended the North Korean threat is unstable. That requires a ton of talent and total stability to accomplish ALL of that and more in less than a year and a half.

The special council exists because firstly and most importantly Jeff Sessions was a witness in the investigation and had to recuse himself. The moron shouldn't have accepted the job, probably no special council if it was not Jeff sessions.

Second rod wrote a letter to fire comey...he also could not be seen as unbiased...

Trump had to tweet about comey.

And comey had a vandetta.

Also Cohen is obviously a tax cheating sleezeball. The investigation is most likely over his own crimes.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

Carter Page was known to associate with Russian spies and was supposedly being evaluated by them for recruitment. He had already been on FBI radar for years.
Do you know this man you're all depending on to save the day? Do you care he could have been working against our country with a foreign adversary? What if it was iran? Would it matter then? Tell me what you know and believe about Mr Carter Page.

He actually was a cooperating informant for the Fbi.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

Carter Page was known to associate with Russian spies and was supposedly being evaluated by them for recruitment. He had already been on FBI radar for years.
Do you know this man you're all depending on to save the day? Do you care he could have been working against our country with a foreign adversary? What if it was iran? Would it matter then? Tell me what you know and believe about Mr Carter Page.

Page helped the FBI lock up russian criminals in 2013 or 2014.

Do you know that the Podesta group worked with hillary in lobbying for pro putin foreigners.

They could be russian spies, so we should wiretap the lot of them right?

Oh wait, nope, because you and the fbi are not actually concerned about russian influence; they just want to take down trump.

Oh and has the fbi gotten around to looking at the dnc server that proved russia hacked them?

Nope, still havent had the time to get around to that.

But trust them they are super serious about stopping russian influence!

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Grambler

Well since you can't keep logic strait let me help you.

Prosecuting people with facts in court is not the same as tweeting unsubstantiated claims and slander over people who literally defend the US in court everyday.

I dont care that trump crioticizes the intel community.

Do you care that dems and others crictize cops and law enforcement? Must they shut up too?

Do you care that they criticize ICE?

Do you care that they tweet about and smear trump, who is the leader of the country? I guess they all have to shut up because they are hurting the country.

Do you care that Brennan, clapper and comey (the former heads of the intel community) smear trump every chance they get?

I guess its just trump may not criticize anyone, but the dems, media and intel community can tweet or yell about him all they want.

I do care about the things you mention because they all fail to solve the problem.

Which are the actual laws and procedures that allow bad cops, wire taps, and political pandering.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

Carter Page was known to associate with Russian spies and was supposedly being evaluated by them for recruitment. He had already been on FBI radar for years.
Do you know this man you're all depending on to save the day? Do you care he could have been working against our country with a foreign adversary? What if it was iran? Would it matter then? Tell me what you know and believe about Mr Carter Page.

Let me ask you a question - have you ever seen Carter Page interviewed?

The man is a complete idiot. Anyone who would rely on that guy to be a spy would be like relying on Gomer Pyle.

He was obviously a plant, to give the Clinton campaign/DOJ an excuse to spy on the Trump campaign.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Grambler

Well since you can't keep logic strait let me help you.

Prosecuting people with facts in court is not the same as tweeting unsubstantiated claims and slander over people who literally defend the US in court everyday.

I dont care that trump crioticizes the intel community.

Do you care that dems and others crictize cops and law enforcement? Must they shut up too?

Do you care that they criticize ICE?

Do you care that they tweet about and smear trump, who is the leader of the country? I guess they all have to shut up because they are hurting the country.

Do you care that Brennan, clapper and comey (the former heads of the intel community) smear trump every chance they get?

I guess its just trump may not criticize anyone, but the dems, media and intel community can tweet or yell about him all they want.

I do care about the things you mention because they all fail to solve the problem.

Which are the actual laws and procedures that allow bad cops, wire taps, and political pandering.

Well you have a funny way of showing it.

When pointed out possible abuses of those things,. you say trump should have appointed better people, then complain about trump tweeting bad things about the fbi.

originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

Carter Page was known to associate with Russian spies and was supposedly being evaluated by them for recruitment. He had already been on FBI radar for years.
Do you know this man you're all depending on to save the day? Do you care he could have been working against our country with a foreign adversary? What if it was iran? Would it matter then? Tell me what you know and believe about Mr Carter Page.

Let me ask you a question - have you ever seen Carter Page interviewed?

The man is a complete idiot. Anyone who would rely on that guy to be a spy would be like relying on Gomer Pyle.

He was obviously a plant, to give the Clinton campaign/DOJ an excuse to spy on the Trump campaign.

So again not bad judgement....what about Hilary.

Got it

NBC worried because somebody is ready to prove the Access Hollywood tape is fake.

Cohen involved in the exposure plan.

Nervous.

Jilty.

Bombshell.

✅verified chatter✅

originally posted by: luthier
So again not bad judgement....what about Hilary.

Got it

If you mean was it bad judgement for the Trump campaign to hire Page - yes absolutely.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Grambler

Well since you can't keep logic strait let me help you.

Prosecuting people with facts in court is not the same as tweeting unsubstantiated claims and slander over people who literally defend the US in court everyday.

I dont care that trump crioticizes the intel community.

Do you care that dems and others crictize cops and law enforcement? Must they shut up too?

Do you care that they criticize ICE?

Do you care that they tweet about and smear trump, who is the leader of the country? I guess they all have to shut up because they are hurting the country.

Do you care that Brennan, clapper and comey (the former heads of the intel community) smear trump every chance they get?

I guess its just trump may not criticize anyone, but the dems, media and intel community can tweet or yell about him all they want.

I do care about the things you mention because they all fail to solve the problem.

Which are the actual laws and procedures that allow bad cops, wire taps, and political pandering.

Well you have a funny way of showing it.

When pointed out possible abuses of those things,. you say trump should have appointed better people, then complain about trump tweeting bad things about the fbi.

I think it's more you lack of understanding.

If trump can't prove it shut up.

If his pick can't prosecute crimes shut up.

If they aren't actual crimes but political mass media speculation shut up.

In other words blame the lawmakers whoade it easy to spy, easy for cops to be unprepared in the field, prosecute the criminals and if they can't be prosecuted because the laws allow it focus on changing the laws that allow it and call out the lawmakers voting to make the laws that allow abuse.


But allowing prosecutors and defenders across the board protecting the United states in trade deals and everything else to be scrutinized is completely self serving and doesn't solve the problem ..
The problem will be solved through the justice system.

Not on the news. With trial by media.

I mean trump should shut up not you.

a reply to: Sillyolme

You may want to look into page a bit more.
He graduated from the naval academy and worked WITH the fbi previously
www.nationalreview.com...

The fact that a foreign power is trying to recruit an American to become an agent for that foreign power is not a sufficient basis to issue a surveillance warrant against the American under FISA. It would, of course, be sufficient to issue a warrant against the foreign spies who are making the recruitment efforts, but it is not enough for a warrant against the American citizen who is the target of the recruitment effort. To get a surveillance warrant under FISA (i.e., the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, as codified at Title 50, U.S. Code, Sections 1801 et seq.), the FBI and the Justice Department must establish probable cause that the person to be monitored under the warrant is acting as an active, purposeful agent of a foreign power — not that the foreign power hopes to turn him into such an agent.

Page was a government cooperator in a 2013 investigation of Russian spies, and that his information was used to prosecute the spies.