Oh you guys are gonna have a field day. Cohen was wiretapped!

originally posted by: CynConcepts
Meh...it says right in the article that Cohen called the White House one time. Not enough info on who he actually spoke to nor why he had contacted the White house. Basically, leaves it wide open for media spin only. I really don't see Trump being worried.

Not only Trump but the entire WH is bigly triggered by Giuliani ratting them out.

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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

No it reasonable to except the intel community to not be political and not take sides in invetsigations.

Correct. And there is nothing to suggest that they have changed that policy now.
Your preception however is political.

I can prove that Obama violated finance laws.

Was any of his team wiretapped for that?

I can prove that Hillary connected people lobbied for foriegn governments without properly filing.

Were they wiretapped for that?

In fact, can you point to me anybody wiretapped connected to a President like this in the history of the country?

Mayebe there is one; I havent seen it.

What I do know is that Hillary, Bush, and many other politicians have been accused of just as serious crimes if not more than trumps team, yet no special counsel for them, no wiretapping for them, no unmasking details from them.

It appears the real crooks are the faceless bureaucrats abusing their powers. Techniques formerly used to get dirt on mobsters and terrorists are now being used on presidents, their lawyers and other American citizens. Bravo, America.

a reply to: introvert

Yeah it does.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Grambler

Can you imagine had multiple people in the Obama admin have been wiretapped?

How do you know that they weren't?

If so funny it didnt leak like that of trump.

And if they were, it is also a gross abuse of power.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

No it reasonable to except the intel community to not be political and not take sides in invetsigations.

Correct. And there is nothing to suggest that they have changed that policy now.
Your preception however is political.

I can prove that Obama violated finance laws.

Was any of his team wiretapped for that?

I can prove that Hillary connected people lobbied for foriegn governments without properly filing.

Were they wiretapped for that?

In fact, can you point to me anybody wiretapped connected to a President like this in the history of the country?

Mayebe there is one; I havent seen it.

What I do know is that Hillary, Bush, and many other politicians have been accused of just as serious crimes if not more than trumps team, yet no special counsel for them, no wiretapping for them, no unmasking details from them.

There were special councils for both bush and Clinton.


And this is what about ism at its finest.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

No it reasonable to except the intel community to not be political and not take sides in invetsigations.

Correct. And there is nothing to suggest that they have changed that policy now.
Your preception however is political.

I can prove that Obama violated finance laws.

Was any of his team wiretapped for that?

I can prove that Hillary connected people lobbied for foriegn governments without properly filing.

Were they wiretapped for that?

In fact, can you point to me anybody wiretapped connected to a President like this in the history of the country?

Mayebe there is one; I havent seen it.

What I do know is that Hillary, Bush, and many other politicians have been accused of just as serious crimes if not more than trumps team, yet no special counsel for them, no wiretapping for them, no unmasking details from them.

There were special councils for both bush and Clinton.


And this is what about ism at its finest.

WAs there a special counsel on Bush?

I know there was one on Bill Clinton, which was ridiculous.

But I dont remember them witretapping Bills lawyer, or raiding his office.

As for calls of whataboutism, I said trump should be held accountable for any crimes he committs.

I hope for all of the anti trumpers sake he doesnt wiretapp every single one of his opponents.

If they complain, then its just whatbaoutis,m, right?

I mean, thats the standard now.

Everyone should be spied on. If they didnt committ crimes, they have nothing to worry about.

a reply to: Grambler

Scooter libby?

I assume he is wiretapping everyone he can. Since they keep expanding those powers.

Maybe he needed to take a course from the pros before becoming president and hired better people.

His terrible judgement of cabinet officials in many cases are his fault. His responsibility. So are croops like Cohen. Who had more than a dozen cell phones.

Better call Saul.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Is there really a difference between them?

a reply to: olaru12

Guilliani stated to Costas that Trump and he discussed this before he made his statement. Trump approved. Thus why the media and Daniel's attorney may believe Trump is freaking out...I doubt that is the case. Trump will stump them once again.

Edit add: One source stating Trump was pleased with Guilliani's performance.

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Is there really a difference between them?

You'd have to tell yourself some pretty strange bedtime stories to come to that conclusion.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Watergate, Iran Contra, Whitewater, The Clintons, The Bushes, The entire Obama admin...nightmare inducing tales galore!

a reply to: imthegoat

You don't know when Mueller referred it. I think your making an assumption that it was just before the raid but I don't recall seeing anything saying when Mueller handed this over.
NY DID initiate both the wire tap and the search warrant.

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: olaru12

Guilliani stated to Costas that Trump and he discussed this before he made his statement. Trump approved. Thus why the media and Daniel's attorney may believe Trump is freaking out...I doubt that is the case. Trump will stump them once again.

Edit add: One source stating Trump was pleased with Guilliani's performance.

I wouldn't expect Trump to say any different. Let's just see how long Guiliani is allowed to hang around; just draining the swamp...lol

I almost feel sorry for poor Sarah H, deer in the headlights....

a reply to: GuidedKill

Yeah I know. Imagine the bad # they heard to get that raid.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
It appears the real crooks are the faceless bureaucrats abusing their powers. Techniques formerly used to get dirt on mobsters and terrorists are now being used on presidents, their lawyers and other American citizens. Bravo, America.

Yep, you nailed it. The Republic is fading quickly and the Left leaning “Americans” in this thread and the MSM don’t care. I suspect it’s because they perceive they are coming closer to their goal, which is exactly that...end the Republic and turn the US into a globalist/Socialist society.

There is no longer any respect for the US Constitution and it’s Amendments by the Liberals (not all, but certainly those in these threads cheering the potential demise of a sitting President)and thus, the United States. Quite frankly, as an American who spent over 40 years defending his Country, this total lack of respect for the US, just because the Lefts queen fumbled her Coronation, saddens me deeply. The fact their answer is to weaponize the deep state frightens me. The fact the left is cheering on the deep state should frighten everyone.

A sad day in America when people only stand for democratic principles when their candidate wins.

originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: crtrvt

This is what is traditionally known as a # show.

I can agree, you are quite entertaining!!




On another note wiretapping a person speaking with their attorney is a very very slippery slope.

Actually, it was the other way around.

The wiretap was not on one of the White House phones (and therefore, by extension, not on Trump) but on Cohen’s phone.

So it would have been a tap on an attorney speaking to one of his clients.

An attorney suspected of being in the active commission of a crime speaking to one of his clients.

Or a potential co-conspirator.

Or maybe just two business partners discussing a deal.

Or maybe a politician talking to one of his “fixers”.

Or maybe just two old friends chatting.

Trump and company keep changing the Cohen relationship story so often that it is, at least at this point, almost impossible to say exactly who was what to who.

Therefore, at this juncture, it is not possible to gauge either the steepness of the slope nor its degree of slipperiness.