The Serious 9/11 Arguments Compilation.

originally posted by: waypastvne
a reply to: Jesushere

So what you are saying is... If you remove Strontium chromate from the Lacede paint it automatically becomes nanothermite capable of destroying large sky scrapers.




Awesome !

No. Professor Harrit did comparisons and ruled out paint. Dr Milette said he was going to release a peer to peer paper on this in 2012 and guess what never happened.

Professor Harrit, on the other hand, did a Magnet test, visual inspection test, photomicrographs test, BSE images, SEM images were done with XEDS graphs and XEDS maps produced. DSC tests post-burn residues comparison.

The Red chips did not break apart when placed in the MEK solution. When he placed the paints in the same solution the paint broke apart. And seriously you think Laclede was making paint that explodes? Buring paint at low temp leaves molten Iron microspheres?

Are you going to blame it on the paint for shredding and evaporating high grade steel at WTC7 and WTC towers, seriously?

InhaleExhale Sorry was a mistake.
I meant to say Steel used for twin towers was painted with Mcclede paint in 1967. You find that date in the NIST link ws680.nist.gov...

NIST Quote) Unlike the pieces of steel from WTC 1 and WTC 2, which were painted red and contained distinguishing markings, WTC 7 steeLl did not contain such identifying characteristics. Figure 27

www.nist.gov...

That's an interesting claim was the WTC7 steel not painted red? I have to look into this more but I would not be surprised if NIST is fibbing again they have a history of doing in this investigation

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

How can it be thermite when this conspiracists swears WTC nukes by falsely claiming first responders as radiation victims...

By Salander

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is ample proof of nuclear events at WTC.

But if one chooses to deny the evidence, there is not much that can be done.

It's her claim. Chandler believes a plane crashed at the Pentagon and many others would disagree with him. Not everyone has the same opinions what unfolded on 9/11

a reply to: Jesushere

You

No. Professor Harrit did comparisons and ruled out paint.

He tested specific paint. Not every possible epoxy industrial coating or resign.

One, is it false his chips contained epoxy? The whole MEK thing?

Is it false the chips had clays and pigments used in paints that are not part of thermite?

You

Dr Milette said he was going to release a peer to peer paper on this in 2012 and guess what never happened.

Can you provide his actual quote?

Why would he need to when he used established lab procedures that found no free aluminum for a thermite reaction.

aneta.org...

There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles detected by PLM, SEM-EDS, or TEM-SAED-EDS, during the analyses of the red layers in their original form or after sample preparation by ashing, thin sectioning or following MEK treatment.

You

Professor Harrit, on the other hand, did a Magnet test, visual inspection test, photomicrographs test, BSE images, SEM images were done with XEDS graphs and XEDS maps produced. DSC tests post-burn residues comparison.

So? Name what test he ran that showed free aluminum for a thermite reaction.

You

The Red chips did not break apart when placed in the MEK solution.

False argument by you? Your the one claiming Harrit said that MEK, which doesn’t dissolve aluminum, somehow caused the aluminum to migrate. How did the happen if MEK did not breakdown what the aluminum compounds were stuck in?


You again

Are you going to blame it on the paint for shredding and evaporating high grade steel at WTC7 and WTC towers, seriously?

Please cite the evidence of shredding of steel and the evaporating of steel. If you believe that, you debunked your own fantasy. Thermite makes molten streel. It doesn’t shred or evaporated steel. You just contradicted yourself again.

neutronflux You have posted so much nonsense on this thread you have got no right to call anyone out for making mistakes.

I am still waiting on that NASA proof.... So you don't believe them they recorded high temp in the rubble? You disputing 1300c claim? Even though I provided evidence that temp was recorded?

And for the inward bowing of WTC 2’s outer vertical columns, you claimed
There not outer columns, that's the perimeter wall you looking at in the GIF video.

Maybe you should read the headline on this link?911research.wtc7.net... The column you can not see in that gif you posted.

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a reply to: Jesushere

911research.wtc7.net...

The towers' perimeter walls comprised dense grids of vertical steel columns and horizontal spandrel plates. These, along with the core structures, supported the towers

What? The perimeter walls made up of the vertical columns were the outside support for the towers. The vertical columns of the core made up the interior support. The floor trusses where suspended from the vertical columns that made up the perimeter wall, and the floor trusse ran from the perimeter wall to the core columns. The floor trusses where only supported at the perimeter wall and at the core columns with no mid length support?

How does that validate your statement of

There not outer columns, that's the perimeter wall you looking at in the GIF video.

More

ws680.nist.gov...

The dense array of columns along the building perimeter resisted lateral wind loads, while also supporting the gravity loads about equally with the core columns. The floor system provided stiffness and stability to the framed-tube system in addition to supporting the floor loads.

You are shameless.....

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

You

No. Professor Harrit did comparisons and ruled out paint.

He tested specific paint. Not every possible epoxy industrial coating or resign.

One, is it false his chips contained epoxy? The whole MEK thing?

Is it false the chips had clays and pigments used in paints that are not part of thermite?

You

Dr Milette said he was going to release a peer to peer paper on this in 2012 and guess what never happened.

Can you provide his actual quote?

Why would he need to when he used established lab procedures that found no free aluminum for a thermite reaction.

aneta.org...

There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles detected by PLM, SEM-EDS, or TEM-SAED-EDS, during the analyses of the red layers in their original form or after sample preparation by ashing, thin sectioning or following MEK treatment.

You

Professor Harrit, on the other hand, did a Magnet test, visual inspection test, photomicrographs test, BSE images, SEM images were done with XEDS graphs and XEDS maps produced. DSC tests post-burn residues comparison.

So? Name what test he ran that showed free aluminum for a thermite reaction.

You

The Red chips did not break apart when placed in the MEK solution.

False argument by you? Your the one claiming Harrit said that MEK, which doesn’t dissolve aluminum, somehow caused the aluminum to migrate. How did the happen if MEK did not breakdown what the aluminum compounds were stuck in?


You again

Are you going to blame it on the paint for shredding and evaporating high grade steel at WTC7 and WTC towers, seriously?

Please cite the evidence of shredding of steel and the evaporating of steel. If you believe that, you debunked your own fantasy. Thermite makes molten streel. It doesn’t shred or evaporated steel. You just contradicted yourself again.

He ruled out primer paint for good reason and I have gone over this already.

The chips contained epoxy paint? If that's what you asking no.

Clays and pigments? Can you clarify what you meant?

Peer to Peer discussion link
www.internationalskeptics.com...

Dr Milette did not even do DSC tests in no way did he carry out the same tests as Professor Harrit. Milette was accused of involvement in a fraud before with WTC dust whereas Professor Harrit has not.

Dr Milette did find Aluminium/Silicon in the MEK chip, but he claimed on the JREF forum it was not separate. That's why he said it was not nano-thermite.

The problem though Harrit, Basille both found the Aluminium was unbound from Silicon and oxygen. They proved this using an XEDs machine. The SEM images also clearly show the Aluminium was unbound. The MEK test also proved this. The DSC tests proved this.

Stop saying it false argument when you have no idea what Harrit claimed. There is a section about the paint and MEK test in his paper. If was already unbound why would it be different in the MEK test? MEK test is to determine if the chips were paint or nano-thermite, they are two different things.

FEMA 2002 study steel samples from WTC7 and WTC tower 1 or 2 you find it if you looked.

a reply to: Jesushere

Quoted it for you before?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

aneta.org...

The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments.

The chips are consistent with numerous epoxy paints, primers, floor coatings, and resins.

The chips are not constant with thermite that would be totally useless in a supposed split second timed sophisticated implosion. And the supposed sophisticated CD system would have lost all its floor to floor integrity from jet impacts, building damage, and wide spread fires.

Thermite is literally a fantasy.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

911research.wtc7.net...

The towers' perimeter walls comprised dense grids of vertical steel columns and horizontal spandrel plates. These, along with the core structures, supported the towers

What? The perimeter walls made up of the vertical columns were the outside support for the towers. The vertical columns of the core made up the interior support. The floor trusses where suspended from the vertical columns that made up the perimeter wall, and the floor trusse ran from the perimeter wall to the core columns. The floor trusses where only supported at the perimeter wall and at the core columns with no mid length support?

How does that validate your statement of

There not outer columns, that's the perimeter wall you looking at in the GIF video.

More

ws680.nist.gov...


The dense array of columns along the building perimeter resisted lateral wind loads, while also supporting the gravity loads about equally with the core columns. The floor system provided stiffness and stability to the framed-tube system in addition to supporting the floor loads.

You are shameless.....

Post your gif again. You were not talking about the whole perimeter. You were referring to the corner wall that was melting just before the building collapsed.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

Quoted it for you before?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

aneta.org...

The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments.

The chips are consistent with numerous epoxy paints, primers, floor coatings, and resins.

The chips are not constant with thermite that would be totally useless in a supposed split second timed sophisticated implosion. And the supposed sophisticated CD system would have lost all its floor to floor integrity from jet impacts, building damage, and wide spread fires.


Thermite is literally a fantasy.

According to Dr Milette who hardly a trustworthy source and was involved in a fraud of WTC dust and was unrelated to conspiracies about 9/11

Nano-thermite is designed to be explosive.

False you can set off explosives wirelessly in 2001 and why would you need to wire a building if nano-thermite was used to evaporate steel?

originally posted by: Jesushere

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

911research.wtc7.net...

The towers' perimeter walls comprised dense grids of vertical steel columns and horizontal spandrel plates. These, along with the core structures, supported the towers

What? The perimeter walls made up of the vertical columns were the outside support for the towers. The vertical columns of the core made up the interior support. The floor trusses where suspended from the vertical columns that made up the perimeter wall, and the floor trusse ran from the perimeter wall to the core columns. The floor trusses where only supported at the perimeter wall and at the core columns with no mid length support?

How does that validate your statement of

There not outer columns, that's the perimeter wall you looking at in the GIF video.

More

ws680.nist.gov...


The dense array of columns along the building perimeter resisted lateral wind loads, while also supporting the gravity loads about equally with the core columns. The floor system provided stiffness and stability to the framed-tube system in addition to supporting the floor loads.

You are shameless.....

Post your gif again. You were not talking about the whole perimeter. You were referring to the corner wall that was melting just before the building collapsed.

You are shameless.

What do not understand the perimeter wall was the vertical columns that held up the ends of the floor tresses opposite the core columns. What do you think tube in tube design signifies?

a reply to: Jesushere

And what do you mean melting? You need your eyes checked. Melting columns don’t forcefully bow inward.

Shameless of you to try to construct another false narrative.

a reply to: Jesushere

If the columns were melting, how could anything anchor to the columns to bow then inward. And where is you proof of your invoked thermal imaging to show thermite was burning at 4000F.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

And what do you mean melting? You need your eyes checked. Melting columns don’t forcefully bow inward.

Shameless of you to try to construct another false narrative.

FEMA 2002 before NIST started an investigation into what caused the collapse collected two steel samples from WTC7 and WTC1 or 2

The steel they found were evaporated. Big huge transparent looking holes left in the steel. You think a 400c fire is going to evaporate steel honestly that's your position? To Melt steel temp needs to be 1300c.

FEMA found a liquid containing melted Iron and Sulphur on the surface of the steel. Melted Iron the temp needs to be 1300 to 1500c.

Bowing in could have been caused by the central core collapsing. Did you not notice the antenna on the roof came down first through the roof?

originally posted by: Jesushere

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

Quoted it for you before?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

aneta.org...

The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments.

The chips are consistent with numerous epoxy paints, primers, floor coatings, and resins.

The chips are not constant with thermite that would be totally useless in a supposed split second timed sophisticated implosion. And the supposed sophisticated CD system would have lost all its floor to floor integrity from jet impacts, building damage, and wide spread fires.


Thermite is literally a fantasy.

According to Dr Milette who hardly a trustworthy source and was involved in a fraud of WTC dust and was unrelated to conspiracies about 9/11

Nano-thermite is designed to be explosive.

False you can set off explosives wirelessly in 2001 and why would you need to wire a building if nano-thermite was used to evaporate steel?

Ok. Post audio of a detonation with the force to cut steel from the WTC? Much less floor to floor. And it still doesn’t explain how a CD system would survive jet impacts and fires to start the towers’ collapse in areas of the impacts.

And you contradicted yourself. You said columns melted, not exploded.

You are utterly shameless.

a reply to: Jesushere

The steel they found were evaporated. Big huge transparent looking holes left in the steel. You think a 400c fire is going to evaporate steel honestly that's your position? To Melt steel temp needs to be 1300c.

What steel evaporated?

a reply to: Jesushere

Still evaporates at over 5000F. Any thermal imaging evidence of the pile being hot enough to evaporated steel?

a reply to: Jesushere

It’s called aquatic based reactions from being in pile that was wetted by weather and contained a chemical soup from battery backups, chlorides from plastics, and sulfur from drywall.

How would thermite provide sulfur? Or any other chemical for chemical attacks?

Fe2O3 + 2 Al → 2 Fe + Al2O3

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Jesushere

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

Quoted it for you before?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

aneta.org...

The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments.

The chips are consistent with numerous epoxy paints, primers, floor coatings, and resins.

The chips are not constant with thermite that would be totally useless in a supposed split second timed sophisticated implosion. And the supposed sophisticated CD system would have lost all its floor to floor integrity from jet impacts, building damage, and wide spread fires.


Thermite is literally a fantasy.

According to Dr Milette who hardly a trustworthy source and was involved in a fraud of WTC dust and was unrelated to conspiracies about 9/11

Nano-thermite is designed to be explosive.

False you can set off explosives wirelessly in 2001 and why would you need to wire a building if nano-thermite was used to evaporate steel?

Ok. Post audio of a detonation with the force to cut steel from the WTC? Much less floor to floor. And it still doesn’t explain how a CD system would survive jet impacts and fires to start the towers’ collapse in areas of the impacts.

And you contradicted yourself. You said columns melted, not exploded.

You are utterly shameless.

You think nano-thermite explosions will be heard in the chaos of 9/11 Jesus. Planes crashing into a specific spot is irrelevant. It's the fire that sets of the nano-thermite. The conspirators can access all the core columns through the elevators and we know elevator repair work was carried out prior to 2001.

The heat spike is explosive. If the heat spike is hot enough it can result in melting of the steel.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Jesushere

The steel they found were evaporated. Big huge transparent looking holes left in the steel. You think a 400c fire is going to evaporate steel honestly that's your position? To Melt steel temp needs to be 1300c.

What steel evaporated?

Huge chunks of the steel beam disappeared it evaporated.