Autism.Asbergers.ADHD spectrum

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Weird i found this thread as i was having a conversation with a friend last night who has 2 Autistic children about a single mother with 2 autistic children just after i had watched a segment on a news channel about the same thing .

Long story short i am a child of the early seventies schooling and i was shocked that in the documentary about Autism i saw everything that pointed to me /locked in cupboards hatred of noise etc and general mayhem all around , still to this day i am the joker in the pack but wind me up wrong and i go off like a bomb unstoppable ? .

Trying to understand this Autism after my hell last week with those 2 lovely children the young mother told me that the oldest child was ok until she got her Inoculations and my friend with 2 older Autistic children had a new child 15 months ago but refused any injections for this child and is being treated very badly by the authorities for doing so maybe something there to look into ? as Zorg says in the 5th element Chaos is good for business .

Hard work seems to focus the mind in some , how many kids have jobs now and know what a hard life is , i was loading the milk floats up at 5.30 am when i was 7 and by 12 was doing a 50 hour week Arbeit macht frei

And what a member posted here about emotionless mike the brother i so get , i got the same zany sense of humor that nobody gets

Cheers for the interesting reply

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
And what a member posted here about emotionless mike the brother i so get , i got the same zany sense of humor that nobody gets

That was me, and I way love emotionless Mike, even if he does go rigid like a plank when I give him a hug.
I'm the youngest of 5 and he used to be violent in his tantrums with my mother, I remember being scared as a kid, then relieved when my other older brothers stopped him. He learned to behave or the other bro's would sort him out.
Mam couldn't defend herself so my brothers defended her and he behaved.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

i get the plank bit even hate my mother trying to cuddle me ,i had to be raised by her parents as i was so uncontrollable as a kid but my grandfather sort of calmed me down but the lack of fear i had as a kid shocks me even today when i think back climbing monuments at 8-9 years old 150 plus feet of craziness , i abseiled down as a adult and thought wtf was i thinking ,lying under train tracks on corners are just somethings that come to mind , how i made it past 18 is just pure luck .

But the 2 little darlings i came up against last week were beyond my pay grade [ i decorated their bedroom for nothing ] or tried to they destroyed it and my tools as the mother was to busy getting out of her face and they got into the bedroom words cannot describe the mess they made with paste /filler and emulsion over 2 days

I am totally against giving children any drugs but those 2 little angels would have been vallied out of their noggin and chained to a radiator while i was there if i had known the outcome

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
I am totally against giving children any drugs but those 2 little angels would have been vallied out of their noggin and chained to a radiator while i was there if i had known the outcome.

LMAO!
No punishment or fear of punishment these days, hence the OP.
People on 'the spectrum' overwhelmingly do no not attack anyone they think will punch them back.
...obviously the 2 little angels you encountered do not have much parental control, it is tragically common and I see it all the time.

EDIT
Making it past 18...same.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

People on 'the spectrum' overwhelmingly do no not attack anyone they think will punch them

Overwhelmingly? You simply don't have the experience to be accurately making such grand and sweeping pronouncements. It's quite ridiculous.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I cannot ever remember hearing about Autism etc when i was young or Dementia now it is as common as the cold in the uk where i live and funding is being cut along with help for the parents of those children .

What i do find weird is they are schooled in the same classes as other children and not taught in quiet classrooms of 5 or 10 , just like i was for a few years as a child i soon caught up and learned to play nice but always was a Hermit

Give these kids some work a pet and encourage them in a hobby would be my idea not sit them in front of televisions /computers and fill them with sweets /drugs

sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind

a reply to: skalla

You still haven't responded to my question why people on the spectrum attack support workers and mothers who won't fight back but rarely, if ever, attack brothers or people who will punch them back in the face.
Stop being a drama queen like I'm being a bastard here about people on the spectrum.

You may be the expert on formal care setting restraining techniques but it means # all because the average violent outburst 'spectrum' lad knows you won't punch him in the face but he knows he can punch you.
Fact is most functioning spectrum folk don't attack people who they know will fight back (brothers, mates) they attack their mothers and support workers.
Stop being so butt hurt when all I'm doing is pointing out that people on the spectrum can recognise self preservation and choose not to attack people who will punch them in the face in defence.

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
What i do find weird is they are schooled in the same classes as other children and not taught in quiet classrooms of 5 or 10 , just like i was for a few years as a child

Savage budget cuts in the department for education mate

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
What i do find weird is they are schooled in the same classes as other children and not taught in quiet classrooms of 5 or 10 , just like i was for a few years as a child

Savage budget cuts in the department for education mate

And everything else it seems ,just looking at the area that i live in now the outsides of the houses have not been decorated since 91-92 and i did them , i just cannot help but think all this chaos is planned

But a former problem child is going to war over this and the phrase i paint for pleasure not for profit will be taken back from Hitler/Churchill , just look at the mess they left .

My young geek buddy who i promised i would look after this girl with the 2 problem kids was told get the printer out and watch me wind up the people

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Calm down love

a reply to: stonerwilliam

Try Dabrowski's Overexcitabilities

This is something kids who are gifted will sometimes have to a greater or lesser degree, and kids who are on the spectrum can easily be gifted.

Ours displays psychomotor and emotional OEs. I think he gets the psychomotor from me and the emotional from his father.

In a kid on the spectrum, you are also dealing with a difficulty in processing sensory information. Autistic kids get very easily overwhelmed by the sensory information from the world, and that's when they are prone to pop off.

So for our kid, he gets upset when his expected routine is suddenly derailed. It can sour his whole day, but for an Aspy, he has little coping skills and it might occasion a massive tantrum.

Our kid is hyper-sensitive to noise. A noisy environment will escalate any emotional state he's currently in. So if he's already inclined to be upset, a noisy environment might make him lose control and get really angry, almost explosively so. But for a kid on the spectrum, you're going from zero to 60 in no time flat. There is too much noise and it has to be dealt with right away because the child cannot cope.

Some autistic kids will learn how to cope and others may never do it.

originally posted by: skalla
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Calm down love

That the best you got in a discussion forum?
PMSL back at ya:
"You ok hun"

EDIT
I know you're butt hurt that my comments are not health n safety approved for formal state provided care for people on the spectrum, but give me a break lol, violent people on the spectrum only attack people who they know won't fight back, mothers and support workers.
They are # scared of brothers or general public so behave themselves. That speaks volumes about being able to control behaviour.

I'm a single mother of a child of 7 on the autistic adhd pathway (in the process of a diagnosis).

Things started to go awry when he was in nursey. The teachers would tell me he wasn't socialising, he'd hit the other children. Things just got worse as he progressed through school until eventually he had over 10 exclusions in his first school term. He refused to go into the classroom, wouldn't cooperate with the teachers etc. I pulled him out and said enough was enough.

He pushes everyone and tests how far he can go with them. He then went to a pupil referral unit who had very firm boundaries. He had transport provided but the escort was a limp lettuce and the lack of firm control allowed his behaviour to become dangerous to other kids, because he will test everyone and anyone. I told her a number of times, "put your foot down. Tell him off" but they won't even use a firm voice.

Eventually he got a place in a special school. Mostly asd/adhd, mostly boys. He's on a bus with older boys whose behaviour is much more aggressive than his and it keeps him in check on the bus. He's progressing wonderfully academically. His sensory issues are still the same (pica, sensory seeking etc) but his behaviour is kept in check.

His dad let's him walk all over him, on the occasions he stays with him I can almost guarantee a phone call saying he won't do as he's told. Lol, wonder why. He still tries to push me to see how far he can take it with me but I take no messing. At all.

He responds better with men (he detests weak women, who are usually the caregivers in early education) because men will set firm boundaries.

I held back on vaccines until AFTER the ASD traits began to present. Reading up about immune system insults and ASD has informed me that it's not specifically early injections that trigger the gene but, an overwhelming compromise to the immune system. Hence the Japanese government suspending inoculations until post 2 years.

Food is also a massive player in this. I give my son absolutely no refined sugar, it has had an overwhelming effect on his mental state (pretty bloody obvious really).

TLR
All kids need love and firm boundaries or they will walk all over you.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

You dont know that at all, i've dealt with about 600 autistic teens to young adults and have kept contact with many as they move in (for example) to parenthood.

The organisation i worked for put these young folk in risky situations and we helped to manage that. We taught them blacksmithing, bowyery, hot glass blowing, took them through chainsaw licences, had desert treks that included being bombed by al quaeida in the sinai and i taught kids stuff like friction fires and making flint spears from foraged materials.

All bland health and safetly stuff, clearly.

Make as many assumptions about me as you like, it dont make you right.

originally posted by: Dakini37
He's on a bus with older boys whose behaviour is much more aggressive than his and it keeps him in check on the bus. He's progressing wonderfully academically. His sensory issues are still the same (pica, sensory seeking etc) but his behaviour is kept in check.

Yes, his behaviour is kept in check because the older boys are higher up in the pecking order, that's how it works, although some ATS members bleat and whine lol.
Glad your lad is finding a path

a reply to: skalla

What don't I know?
The obvious fact that spectum boys only attack their mothers or support workers, not people who will punch them in the face?

EDIT
Respect to you working with hundreds of people on the spectrum but you can't deny if most of them who are generally functioning know they'll get a smack in the face back if they misbehave, they'll change their behaviour.
Being on the spectrum doesn't give a hall pass for being a prick.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

You dont know that i'm butthurt, and your continuing use of pejoratives towards me make it look quite the opposite.

But you are positing this OP based of some tv documentaries and a few folk you know?

Maybe you should be prepared to listen a little more?

Autism, and the reactions of people with autism is a seriously complicated business.

a reply to: skalla

Okay expert, what exactly do you perceive I have posted which is wrong? (quote me don't paraphrase, that would be insincere)
Feel free to be the educator in this thread.

LOL, you just cry that violent spectrum people being punched in the face is wrong even if they employ violence first.
#ing hilarious.

EDIT And yes autism is complicated, but the average autistic person knows not to attack someone who will knock them out.
Self preservation and choice is a thing even with autistic people.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Eta. How am i meant to discuss this with you when you can't even manage to be calm and civil?

Its all about tv docs and people who you say "claim" to be autistic. They may well be full of crap for all i know - this is getting daft.

a reply to: skalla

Quote my apparent unfriendly posts dude. Simples.