NY Times wilfully ignorant

originally posted by: cynicalheathen
Since rifles in general account for less than 5% of all gun homicides, why not start by restricting handguns? Is it because the general populace is ignorant of facts and more likely to be willing to infringe rights because something is "scary"?

This is a point that has confused me for a LONG time myself. Semi-auto pistols are the guns most responsible for homicides, suicides, and other gun related deaths.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: face23785

What's madness is that it's perfectly okay to have strong security measures in a bunch of other places we take our kids like banks, airports etc, but somehow having it in schools is considered madness.

why is it still easier to get into a school than it is a courthouse?
ever hear of a mass shooting at a courthouse?
I will concede we don't value the safety of our children as much as we should; because if we did it would be harder to enter a school than an airport or a courthouse.
Taking away rights is not the answer, it is an agenda.

You should really stop and think how dumb the comparison you just made is. We don't regularly shuffle violent criminals in and out of schools who need to be watched at all times.

who is the dummy?
do they bring the criminals in the front door?
no they do not, they bring them in handcuffed in a even more secure entrance

Yea, when the criminal is on bail he walks in under his own power. Though regardless, schools don't bring ANY criminals in them through ANY doors, so that point was just a weak deflection anyways.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Krazysh0t

My Mossberg 500 is modable. I have a bright as # light on it. Ban those too?

Where did I call for banning anything? Please quote my words. I'll wait.

I guess you didn't see the question mark?

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: DogStarIn1066

But their gunz make them feel all safe and warm.

Aww, do you have to pretend the gun owners are all pussies to make yourself feel better?

That's pathetic.

I am 55, and have made it to this age without ever needing a firearm to defend myself in the United States.

So yes, if you need a gun here you might want to put on a pink pussy hat, and March around Washington.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Krazysh0t


Thanks for the reply, without knowing how each of us identifies an assault its impossible to have a rational discussion about the topic.

I have an AR, I am open to the idea of further restriction on it but the problem I foresee is congress. Odds are high that instead of writing the regulations to specify the AR-15 they will instead write it to target semi-automatic weapons which opens up a huge can of worms for me.


As for my idea of an assault weapon, fire capability and is it used by the military. Yes I realize I am splitting hairs by saying the cousin of an M-4 is not an assault weapon, But its just the way I see it.

This is precisely what has happened. The current version of the "assault weapons ban" in Congress bans almost every semi-auto rifle and handgun being sold in the US today.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Krazysh0t

My Mossberg 500 is modable. I have a bright as # light on it. Ban those too?

Where did I call for banning anything? Please quote my words. I'll wait.

I guess you didn't see the question mark?

I did. I guess you don't know what a leading question is, because you asked one.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

through the same security we should use in our schools,
are you actually going to act as if some schools do NOT have metal detectors or police?
ALL schools should have these!
It is only a matter of COST.
Why is that cost justified to protect judges and not our children?

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066
a reply to: Edumakated
I was an Army officer. An AR-15 pretty much does the same thing in semi as an M-16. Oh, and we never used a 16 on full auto. So, pretty much the same thing.

Try and keep up.

Appealing to authority does not make a factual argument. Doing practically the same thing IS NOT the same thing.

Just come out and say you guys want to ban all semi-auto firearms which is the implication.

Fair enough bro. Didn't mean to come off as a jerk.

Thanks for your service.

Ok, sure.

Ban them.

No need for them from my point of view.

I shot two deer this fall with a bolt action.

No second shot with either. Why do I need semi? I know how to shoot.

Also, I am an authority, as I served in the forces that defended you and our way of life. A "thank you for your service " might be nice.

Or are you now in favor of disrespecting military officers?

So the right to self-defense should be limited to those who are an expert shot?

ETA: As a fellow vet, I don't think it's right you are trying to use your veteran status that way. Pointing out you're a vet with a lot of firearms experience is fine. Experience should be valued. But no one is disrespecting you, don't try to play that card. I'll thank you for your service.

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: DogStarIn1066

But their gunz make them feel all safe and warm.

Aww, do you have to pretend the gun owners are all pussies to make yourself feel better?

That's pathetic.

I am 55, and have made it to this age without ever needing a firearm to defend myself in the United States.

So yes, if you need a gun here you might want to put on a pink pussy hat, and March around Washington.

Anything you've never experienced doesn't happen enough for people to be justified in protecting themselves against?

When you have to resort to pretending people who don't agree with you are pussies, you're running out of facts.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Krazysh0t

through the same security we should use in our schools,
are you actually going to act as if some schools do NOT have metal detectors or police?

Yeah. The ones in the middle of ghettos and have problems with violent students. Forcing a kid to walk through a metal detector in the middle of the suburbs because YOU are scared is ridiculous though.

ALL schools should have these!
It is only a matter of COST.
Why is that cost justified to protect judges and not our children?

So apparently you think that every local government in the country has unlimited funds to implement draconian security measures in schools because you are scared of events that happen to less than 1% of the schools in the country.

As an aside, it's hilarious that so called conspiracy theorists are advocating for draconian security measures for THEIR concerns, but any small step that a liberal wants to do is the first step to gun confiscation. You are such a hypocrite.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Krazysh0t

My Mossberg 500 is modable. I have a bright as # light on it. Ban those too?

Where did I call for banning anything? Please quote my words. I'll wait.

I guess you didn't see the question mark?

I did. I guess you don't know what a leading question is, because you asked one.

Okay I'll rephrase counselor. Do you think modable firearms should be banned?

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Krazysh0t

My Mossberg 500 is modable. I have a bright as # light on it. Ban those too?

Where did I call for banning anything? Please quote my words. I'll wait.

I guess you didn't see the question mark?

I did. I guess you don't know what a leading question is, because you asked one.

Okay I'll rephrase counselor. Do you think modable firearms should be banned?

I don't think any firearms should be banned. Unlike the right wing, I don't believe that the word restriction == ban.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: DogStarIn1066

But their gunz make them feel all safe and warm.

Aww, do you have to pretend the gun owners are all pussies to make yourself feel better?

That's pathetic.

I did no such thing

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So apparently you think that every local government in the country has unlimited funds to implement draconian security measures in schools because you are scared of events that happen to less than 1% of the schools in the country.

you want to take away guns for the same events that happen to less than 1%
who is really the hypocrite?

you advocate it is better to take away rights than spend money on security

good day gun grabber

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Krazysh0t


it is better to take away rights than spend money on security

good day gun grabber

So, in other words, 1984 policies are preferable to you than reasonable gun control measures. Your rhetoric has gone off the deep end.

But besides that, I'd like to hear your idea on how all these schools can pay for these security measures and also why they'd want to spend money on them and not to improve their teaching and schooling.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: DogStarIn1066

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: DogStarIn1066

But their gunz make them feel all safe and warm.

Aww, do you have to pretend the gun owners are all pussies to make yourself feel better?

That's pathetic.

I am 55, and have made it to this age without ever needing a firearm to defend myself in the United States.

So yes, if you need a gun here you might want to put on a pink pussy hat, and March around Washington.

Anything you've never experienced doesn't happen enough for people to be justified in protecting themselves against?

When you use that logic it's totally acceptable but when these kids speak and protest people like you want to dismiss them and shut them up cause the odds or getting shot at school are like 10 billion to 1.
Hahahaha

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Krazysh0t

My Mossberg 500 is modable. I have a bright as # light on it. Ban those too?

Where did I call for banning anything? Please quote my words. I'll wait.

I guess you didn't see the question mark?

I did. I guess you don't know what a leading question is, because you asked one.

Okay I'll rephrase counselor. Do you think modable firearms should be banned?

I don't think any firearms should be banned. Unlike the right wing, I don't believe that the word restriction == ban.

Restrictions such as?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

repealing the 2nd is not reasonable gun control measures
adding security to schools is

a reply to: shooterbrody

Who is talking about taking away your gunz?

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Krazysh0t

My Mossberg 500 is modable. I have a bright as # light on it. Ban those too?

Where did I call for banning anything? Please quote my words. I'll wait.

I guess you didn't see the question mark?

I did. I guess you don't know what a leading question is, because you asked one.

Okay I'll rephrase counselor. Do you think modable firearms should be banned?

I don't think any firearms should be banned. Unlike the right wing, I don't believe that the word restriction == ban.

Restrictions such as?

From the previous page:

That's just the way I see things. I really don't even want to totally ban assault rifles anyways. They look cool as # and are fun to shoot for target practice. I just want more comprehensive background checks on purchases, possibly a national database tracking serial numbers, and mandatory certification classes for gun training and storage for all buyers of guns that has to be maintained and updated. Is this going to stop all gun crime? Nope, but at least its a start instead of pretending like all these shootings are just the sacrifice that is necessary to have a gun culture.