China Amends Their Constitution, Removes Term Limits From Presidency and Vice Presidency

Putin part deux.

Don't forget now We use to not have term limits.

Until the right in this country got sick of FDR(left).

a reply to: SpartanStoic

Need an exit plan, pungyau.

a reply to: SpartanStoic

Thanks mate, and good luck the world is heading into uncertain times.

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
Technically "Communism" as it was intended by Marx is the eventual abolishment of State/Government, workers owning the means of production, abolishment of Class and monetary systems etc, having a Leader/President/Dictator is not the original theory of Communism.

The CPH is more 'Leninist" or Marxist-Leninist and based more in democratic centralism, so while they may call themselves the Communist Party, it seems to be in the primary stages of "Socialism" similar to the Transitional State by Marx, or the Vanguard party by Lenin.

Either way, we see where Communism goes when out into practice.

a reply to: Wardaddy454


You've never seen Communism in practice as it's an utopian idea. There have never been communist countries, only parties that claimed (and failed) to be communist.

I would also love to understand why americans here in ATS think they have the moral high ground when they live in a bipartisan "democracy". Isn't that also against freedom?

originally posted by: JameSimon
a reply to: Wardaddy454


You've never seen Communism in practice as it's an utopian idea. There have never been communist countries, only parties that claimed (and failed) to be communist.

And you will never see it at all. It does not matter if its a Utopian idea. It has been implemented time and time again, with the same results.

You argue over idea/theory vs reality.

originally posted by: cenpuppie
Your going to say that when, in the west, the media is nothing but a mouth piece of government.

Dear me. You really need to get out and about. The Chinese media and censorship is an order of magnitude beyond anything the west can present at its worst.

Censored search words in China

With relation to the OP, the Chinese authorities have already moved to quell any discussion of the move to make Xi Jinping the one-step-away-from-the new Emperor.

New censored words and phrases in China

a reply to: Dfairlite

It depends really, "communism" as it was intended, no, See bold

"In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal") is the philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state."

"communism" as it is intended is the absence of Money and the State, having a monetary system and a leader/president/dictator etc is not actually "communism" as it was intended.

Now, Lenin, Stalin, Mao etc were 'communists' in the fact they took communist ideology and theory and shaped it into their personal "ideology" revolving around "communism"

Marx called for a transitional "State" a 'Dictator of the proletariat" in which the workers would take over the means of production and would be considered the "Socialist transitional state" eventually the State would dissolve and it would transition into communism. which is essentially a utopic vision of consolidating "power" and assuming they would abolish that power to install "communism"

Lenin's ideology focuses on a Vanguard party he developed from Marx that would install the dictatorship of the proletariat, whilst Marxism depending on a more "scientific approach" to the critique of social and economic means, Leninism is more focused around Democratic centralism and a "Revolutionary Vanguard Party" that would seize power and control to establish "socialism" and eventually transition into communism

"the purpose of the Leninist vanguard party is to establish a democratic dictatorship of the proletariat; supported by the working class, the vanguard party would lead the revolution to depose the incumbent Tsarist government, and then transfer power of government to the working class, which change of ruling class—from bourgeoisie to proletariat—makes possible the full development of socialism"

Maoism is a mixture of Marxism and Leninism and Stalinism and was a base for the CPH

"The essential difference between Maoism and other forms of Marxism is that Mao said that peasants should be the bulwark of the revolutionary energy, led by the working class in China"

Maoism ideology focuses on "The New Democracy" The "Mass Line" "Three Worlds Theory" etc


So, Yes, these Dictators, Stalin, Mao, and these "Lenin Vanguardists", even people like Che Guevara (who was a Stalinist), were "Communists" who had a base in Communist ideology, though, they were in fact power hungry dictator that consolidated power and never attempted to transition or give power to the "Proletariat"

essentially they were charlatan frauds who preached this Red Religion to the "workers" exploiting them to gain political and social power and then ruled as a dictator killing mass amounts of people who wouldn't bow down to them

So, actually "Communism" which includes the absence of the State, Money, Class etc has never actually been tried, but there have been Communist dictators, Socialist States etc

To be honest, they can all get the wall, I am an anarchist those are all enemies to me, I don't support any of them, I am just stating the fact that "Communism" hasn't actually been tried before, so many people are spooked by the words alone and remain ignorant of actual facts

The Chairmanship and Vice Chairmanship of State (or Presidency, both translations are acceptable) are powerless positions.

The General Secretary of the Party will always be the Chairman of State. It is mostly to enable ease of diplomatic communication.

What I think this preludes to is Chairman Xi removing the current "tradition" of post-Deng General Secretaries stepping down after 2 terms. Xi intends to lead China for life.

a reply to: paraphi

Winnie-the-Pooh is outlawed in China because people say that he looks like Xi Jinping.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Thanks sir, I have 2 ways out for the 2 little ones, wife and myself.

@Irishhaf

You're welcome, stay safe.

China is not a communist state, the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) control the government of China although it is a separate entity and you must be a member of it to work in the government. Also note that the Chinese military swear an oath to the party NOT the government nor ranking members of it. They do answer to Xi.

China is closer to a authoritarian-capitalist system resembling a giant banana republic.

It does have some good points -

Bureaucracy for "small" things is generally super efficient and timely - like travel VISAs, foreigner registrations, paying taxes and the like. My yearly work VISA renewal is a relatively simple matter and takes 5 to 7 working days for myself and the company, then a stop by the police station to reregister my new work VISA with them.

Airport security is good to great, generally very efficient, and quick. I've never waited in line longer than a few minutes in major cities and less in small ones. Train station security is not as good, but better than TSA in the states. Subway security has improved recently now that it's implemented widely.

Trains that go everywhere! I love the fast trains that go to most major cities in central and eastern China. It's great to jump a fast train for 2 hours for a 3 day getaway without the hassle of driving.

I also recently found that the cameras (which are everywhere!) can come in quite handy. We had a lost child in our apartment complex a few weeks ago and the security guys pulled up the camera recordings and helped grandad track down the child in a few minutes. I also had a staff member go missing from a work location, after searching the mall we went to the security office and we tracked him leaving the building to the subway station on the mall's camera system. So we knew he was ok and under his own power which was a relief from thinking he collapsed in a bathroom or something.
Still not a fan of having cameras everywhere but nice to know there are some positive upsides.

Generally folks around China are as helpful as able when something arises even with limited language skills. We've had lost staff from time to time and always a local will try to direct them where they are asking to go even with a difficult language barrier (in south we have Cantonese only speakers). If someone collapses people won't directly touch them due to the legal issues but they will summon help in the form of local building security or rent a cops.

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Also just confirmed that they have blocked discussion of Xi's term limit restrictions being removed on WeChat because they just dinged my account for commenting on a post about it. They've removed posts and articles from WeChat overnight. Orwell would be proud!

NPR's report on this today was scary. They said the he has pictures of himself everywhere, they are banning lots of words and phrases (like our fascist President) and anyone that criticizes the government ends up in trouble.

a reply to: SpartanStoic

*sigh*

66% of their GDP came from government run organizations. What exactly constitutes communism in your view?

a reply to: XAnarchistX

All you're proving is that communism, according to purists, is completely untethered from reality. Whenever anyone tries to implement it it warps into "not communism" because communism cannot work as long as people are part of it.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It's transitioning into fascism, but they're still communist right now. As of 2016 66% of their GDP came from government owned business.
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At this point I would call them State Capitalist. They had Communism for half a century, and it wasn't until they embraced western capitalism that they started to pull themselves out of the third world.

originally posted by: Konduit

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

It's transitioning into fascism, but they're still communist right now. As of 2016 66% of their GDP came from government owned business.
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At this point I would call them State Capitalist. They had Communism for half a century, and it wasn't until they embraced western capitalism that they started to pull themselves out of the third world.

That's a reasonable description...

a reply to: XAnarchistX



Do you know anything about these guys?

Like Marx that didn't pay his maid but knocked her up and still didn't take responsibility for the kid?

Borrowed money from everyone and was cut off by his own family?

Covered in boils till he died asking for God's forgiveness.

Che was a doctor and shot children. F'k Lenin and Mao. May they rot in pieces.

There is no "let's try it the right way" It won't work.

Let's go to Cuba, nice place eh? Venezuela? How's that going?

Tito, Mugabe, Pol Pot, Obama, Kim jung whatever.

Let that stupid # Castro, try and run in 2020, asshole.

Power will NEVER be transferred to the masses by anyone, but idiots can hope.

Don't eat MY cake!!

They like XI no matter what he has done. Like if hillary had won.

My friend could have been CE but was smeared for a building violation.

Nuff said.

a reply to: Dfairlite

well, "communism" through transitional states, or Vanguard parties are ripe for dictators to consolidate power. 'anarcho-communism' is the theory of the immediate abolishing of the State and the immediate installation of "communism" with no opportunity for a 'dictator' but "communism" and anarchy are always in conflict, trying to say anarchy and communism can coincide is futile...

but, the only way for "true communism" to be installed would be through the immediate abolishment of the state, anything else is just a pathway for a consolidation of dictator power

a reply to: burgerbuddy

I don't know if you read what I wrote, but I stated

"To be honest, they can all get the wall, I am an anarchist those are all enemies to me, I don't support any of them,"

I know quite a lot about all of them, and not the "muh commie propaganda" and "Cultural Marxism" that Americans regurgitate.

communism is an egalitarian theory but drenched in hegemonic assimilation and not individual liberation, all forced economic systems are authoritative from Capitalism to socialism, to communism, from mutualism to gift economies etc