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originally posted by: pheonix358
originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Akragon
Wow! I'm seriously embarrassed for you! Talk about poor reading comprehension! I don't think I've ever seen ignorance run this deep before on ATS!
One of the more idiotic things I have read.
What we say of others to hurt and degrade, often covers our own ineptness.
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Where's your example of Israel being referred to as "He"? There isn't one. Israel and Jerusalem is always referred to in the feminine, which is why we have the woman in Revelation 12.
NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT EVEN COME CLOSE TO STATING THAT THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL WOULD DIE TO COVER ANYONE'S SINS
it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. It takes a special self delusion to believe that one.
Israel is regularly referred to as HE... almost like a corporate entity
JEREMIAH 48:27
Now was Israel a laughingstock to you? Or
was he caught among thieves? For each time
you speak about him you shook your head
in scorn.
HOSEAH 14:5-6
5 I will be like the dew to Israel, he will
blossom like the lily, and he will take root
like the cedars of Lebanon. 6 His shoots will
sprout, and his splendor will be like the olive
tree, and his fragrance like the cedars of
Lebanon.
originally posted by: Akragon
NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT EVEN COME CLOSE TO STATING THAT THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL WOULD DIE TO COVER ANYONE'S SINS
First thing you've said thats actually correct... and that includes the verse your talking about
try to get that through your head... i've already repeated myself twice about it
Kinda like... reading words that arn't there?
Nope. That's talking about King Moab and the Kingdom of Moab.
As for for Hosea 14:5-6, the name of Israel is being used in place of the tribe of Ephraim (see verse 8 and read the entire chapter of Hosea 13). God will revive the tribe and reunite them altogether, but at the time they were going astray, unlike the tribe of Judah at the time. This isn't referring to the entire nation of Israel, but a tribe of it.
When you say that the word "He" in Isaiah 53:12 represents the people of Israel, that's exactly what you're saying, even if you're not admitting it.
The verse clearly says the "He" poured himself out unto death for the sins of many for intercession. If you really want to claim that "He" is Israel, that's exactly what you're saying whether you admit it or not.
You denying it isn't an explanation. It's just more of your self contradicting statements that you always make just to keep an argument going long after it's been dead.