Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14

Moore's co workers thought he was weird for dating teenagers and hanging around the mall.

www.rawstory.com...

a reply to: TheRedneck

I'd say that is more than a maybe. Care to try again?

For the sake of redundancy, I'll try again and repeat what I previously said:

if he uses his belief to drive or author discriminatory policy, which he seems to have done, I have a problem.

and

If he believes homosexual conduct should be illegal (he does), and if he believes transgenders don't or shouldn't have rights (he does), he has no business as a policy/law maker and no business in office, unless he can set those beliefs aside and not let them influence his decisions. He's already proved he can't

That's pretty clear.

a reply to: ketsuko

The legal age of consent in Alabama is 16 with consent of the minor's parents. Without parental consent, the legal age is either 18 or 19... not sure which. There is a graduated age discrepancy (which obviously does not apply if one of the parties is in their 30s) which essentially means if one person turns 18 before the other, there is nothing illegal about them still dating.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

That's the part I was missing.

All I found in my cursory look was a map colored by age of consent.

I just recall that certain members of the House got off in DC because the pages were all above DC's age of consent.

The bottom line is that Pedos won't, or can't, stop their criminal behavior. The current Roy Moore thing is different. It's a Lolita problem, not a pre-pubescent fixation. Some men, and I believe Mr. Moore is one, have successfully married girls much younger, and gone on to raise normal families. My great grandfather was in his forties and married a young girl, so she could keep house for him, respectably. Then she had a couple of kids. This made problems with a son from his first marriage, after my ancestor pre-deceased my great grandmother. He was killed in a Tornado, in 1900, after turning loose his plough horses. His widow lost their store, to the previously mentioned son's draining their accounts, and my grand father was too young to handle a team of horses behind a plough, so then they lost their farm as well. She knew that I was alive, but never saw me, before she passed on in 1948. This much age difference puts a lot of strain on families, if tragedies strike, IMHO. My dad went the other way, and married my mother, who was about two years older than him, in Jan. of 1943, and both survived WWII, and each lived, to be 80, into the 1990's. Maybe our modern lives have just gotten too complicated for these May to Dec. marriages to work, like they used to, in the Nineteenth Century.

But Roy Moore found his way, and kissing teenaged girls good night back in his thirties, in a "DRY" Alabama County, ain't no big deal, IMHO. He seems to remember that there wasn't ever any Mateuse Wine served, either. I can remember buying that fancy Portuguese label, to impress Coeds, but we were all about the same 18+ ages.

a reply to: Liquesence

He does not believe the transsexuals do not have rights, so much as he believes they do not have superior rights.

It's very easy to take a decision and make general assumptions without understanding the legal aspects of the specific case. Not everyone who rules against a homosexual defendant is against homosexuality in general. Not everyone who finds in favor of a male defendant over a female plaintiff is automatically a sexist. That is a false narrative and the very reason Donald Trump is in the White House... and will be the reason Roy Moore will sit in the US Senate.

Moore's views are extremely conservative and not mainstream, but his character is what will get him elected.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: ketsuko

The legal age of consent in Alabama is 16 with consent of the minor's parents. Without parental consent, the legal age is either 18 or 19... not sure which. There is a graduated age discrepancy (which obviously does not apply if one of the parties is in their 30s) which essentially means if one person turns 18 before the other, there is nothing illegal about them still dating.

TheRedneck

Gotta link?

Alabama Code Title 13A. Criminal Code § 13A-6-70

(c) A person is deemed incapable of consent if he is:

(1) Less than 16 years old;  or

Link

Alabama Code Title 13A. Criminal Code § 13A-6-67



(a) A person commits the crime of sexual abuse in the second degree if:

(1) He subjects another person to sexual contact who is incapable of consent by reason of some factor other than being less than 16 years old;  or

(2) He, being 19 years old or older, subjects another person to sexual contact who is less than 16 years old, but more than 12 years old.

Link

I don't see that it says 'the parents said it was ok.'

a reply to: TheRedneck

He does not believe the transsexuals do not have rights

**Transgender, not transsexual.

He said they don't, by virtue that the rights haven't been "granted" by the government.
I know you want to justify it to yourself, but it's ok.

his character is what will get him elected.

Or lack thereof.

a reply to: ketsuko

Well, let me correct myself. I was speaking of the law as it was when I was young (enough to care). Today, the law has changed.

The legal age of consent is 16, 19 if a student consenting with an instructor. The age discrepancy clause still applies, meaning nothing illegal occurs if the age difference is 2 years or less.

It used to be there was a 2-year discrepancy allowed if one of the participants was under 16, and a four-year if they were under 19 (if memory serves). Now it's just a 2-year difference across the board.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Liquesence

See my post above. Laws change.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Liquesence

**Transgender, not transsexual.

Either one. No one should have superior rights.

He said they don't, by virtue that the rights haven't been "granted" by the government.

That is completely out of character for Moore. Rights are not granted by a government; they are granted by God the Creator.

Got a link?

TheRedneck

One of the worst things Moore did was defy the Alabama supreme court and the US Supreme Court! AND HE WAS A JUDGE! The first time he was kicked off the bench he wouldn’t take down his ten commandments monument HE WAS ORDERED TO BY THE COURT.

This was a blatant violation of the establishment clause of the Constitution, as a federal district court soon held. A federal appellate court affirmed the lower court’s judgment. Moore didn’t ask the U.S. Supreme Court to review the decision. Instead he announced he would not follow the ruling.

He defiantly spoke

“I have no intention of removing the monument of the Ten Commandments and the moral foundation of our law. To do so would, in effect, result in the disestablishment of our system of justice in this state. ”

Then this ignoramus did it again on gay marriage

... After the Supreme Court’s landmark 2015 gay-marriage decision, Obergefell v. Hodges, he used his position as chief justice to direct the state’s probate court judges not to issue marriage licenses for same-sex couples.

This was a replay of constitutional defiance. The Supreme Court had spoken, but Moore purported to be countermanding its commands in the name of Alabama’s right to interpret the Constitution differently.

He is a dangerous man and this good lady who exposed him has done a service to the country

www.bloomberg.com...

originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: face23785

I think not. The people condoning these behaviors or closing their eyes to it, belong to the Trump base. I mean you all voted a known sexual assaulter who bragged about it on tape in as President. Stop with the hypocritical b.s.

Save that political sniping for the MUD PIT. This is current events.

originally posted by: thepixelpusher

originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: face23785

I think not. The people condoning these behaviors or closing their eyes to it, belong to the Trump base. I mean you all voted a known sexual assaulter who bragged about it on tape in as President. Stop with the hypocritical b.s.

Save that political sniping for the MUD PIT. This is current events.

It is certainly current enough events that the president just like Moore likely is a rapist according to the laws of the US.

originally posted by: Willtell
...
This will be the second time a GOP candidate is likely guilty of molesting a woman, the first being Trump, and yet the republicans still elect him.

If they were smart, they would cut their losses and reject this guy

Likely guilty?... Obviously you, and many others in the left want to eat this up despite the "FAKE NEWS" that left-wing media has been known to be doing "full time" lately. Well, since at least 2016 the left-wing media "fake news" multiplied by 10 fold...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Its not fake news that Moore defied the Alabama Supreme Court and the US Supreme Court and was kicked off the bench.

As of now, it seems most reasonable people believe the woman who accuses Moore of sexual abuse of a 14 yo girl!

Its NOT fake news

Moore is a LIAR AND CHILD MOLESTER according to the laws of Alabama.

originally posted by: Willtell
One of the worst things Moore did was defy the Alabama supreme court and the US Supreme Court! AND HE WAS A JUDGE! The first time he was kicked off the bench he wouldn’t take down his ten commandments monument HE WAS ORDERED TO BY THE COURT.

This was a blatant violation of the establishment clause of the Constitution, as a federal district court soon held. A federal appellate court affirmed the lower court’s judgment. Moore didn’t ask the U.S. Supreme Court to review the decision. Instead he announced he would not follow the ruling.

He defiantly spoke

“I have no intention of removing the monument of the Ten Commandments and the moral foundation of our law. To do so would, in effect, result in the disestablishment of our system of justice in this state. ”

Then this ignoramus did it again on gay marriage

... After the Supreme Court’s landmark 2015 gay-marriage decision, Obergefell v. Hodges, he used his position as chief justice to direct the state’s probate court judges not to issue marriage licenses for same-sex couples.

This was a replay of constitutional defiance. The Supreme Court had spoken, but Moore purported to be countermanding its commands in the name of Alabama’s right to interpret the Constitution differently.

He is a dangerous man and this good lady who exposed him has done a service to the country

www.bloomberg.com...

Ignoring for a moment the sexual misconduct allegations.

It's clear you do not look highly on the political motives and actions this man has taken during hid career. Neather do I. But it would appear a good number of people (Maybe even the majority) in Alabama do not agree. They have a right to dictate the direction their state takes; just as my statesmen and I have right to dictate the direction our state takes. and we would be loath to let people from Alabama tell us what we should be doing, but with that I must extend the curdisy of refraining from telling them what they should be doing.

If they want to stand in defiance of the Supreme Court, or support a man who stands in defiance of the Supreme Court, they can do so. That of course does not absolve them of the consequences of doing so.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Either one. No one should have superior rights.

You mean like the right to employment and housing regardless of gender?

Or is it some other "superior right" to which you refer?

Which superior rights is Moore in favor of? How about marriage? Should heterosexuals only get that right?

a reply to: DanDanDat


The problem with your post is that you have no knowledge of how the people of Alabama would vote one way or the other.

You assume he would win but to assume is not reality.

Maybe if the voters in Alabama were clued in on this man's defiant posture to established law would reject him

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: DanDanDat


The problem with your post is that you have no knowledge of how the people of Alabama would vote one way or the other.

You assume he would win but to assume is not reality.

Maybe if the voters in Alabama were clued in on this man's defiant posture to established law would reject him

You think the people of Alabama are not clued in? That you some how know much more than they do about the goings on in their state? I am not Arrogant enough to believe I know more about Alabama than the citizens of that state.

I did not assume he would win; I said a good number of people support him and MAYBE a majority. That makes it quite clear I have no crystal ball that lets me see past their election day.

There for there are no problems with my post.