Woman Fired After Giving Trump's Motorcade the Finger.

a reply to: intrepid

I disagree with her firing, but if this sort of narcissistic virtue-signalling breaks contractual obligations, there is little she can do.

a reply to: DanteGaland

Ah. Thanks.

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: intrepid
Trump is not the issue here. No matter who the prez is they still would have sacked her. Government contractor remember.

If it happened during working hours, then sure. She is reflecting badly on her employer. If she was in off hours, it's nobody's #ing business unless she is actively identifying as an employee of that company. It's not like she's indentured or something.

That's why you read the policy book that the company gives you, if you don't understand it then ask HR and they will tell you.

No, that's why I like unions. If the employer wants to infringe upon my private time, then he can pay me for the privilege. If not, it's none of his business...especially if I'm not breaking any laws.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: intrepid
Trump is not the issue here. No matter who the prez is they still would have sacked her. Government contractor remember.

If it happened during working hours, then sure. She is reflecting badly on her employer. If she was in off hours, it's nobody's #ing business unless she is actively identifying as an employee of that company. It's not like she's indentured or something.

That's why you read the policy book that the company gives you, if you don't understand it then ask HR and they will tell you.

No, that's why I like unions. If the employer wants to infringe upon my private time, then he can pay me for the privilege. If not, it's none of his business...especially if I'm not breaking any laws.

That's why you don't tell your company what you do in your personal time, she was the idiot who did it to herself.

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: intrepid
Trump is not the issue here. No matter who the prez is they still would have sacked her. Government contractor remember.

If it happened during working hours, then sure. She is reflecting badly on her employer. If she was in off hours, it's nobody's #ing business unless she is actively identifying as an employee of that company. It's not like she's indentured or something.

That's why you read the policy book that the company gives you, if you don't understand it then ask HR and they will tell you.

No, that's why I like unions. If the employer wants to infringe upon my private time, then he can pay me for the privilege. If not, it's none of his business...especially if I'm not breaking any laws.

That's why you don't tell your company what you do in your personal time, she was the idiot who did it to herself.

Actually, she oughtta get points for going to HR to say 'incoming'.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: loam

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
So she was fired for flipping Trump the bird in her own time.

Doesn't seem like she should be fired to me.

Am I missing something with this?

I don't see why she was fired.

No.

She was fired for using the image in her social media profile as her image in violation of company rules.

Someone else took the photograph of her, as it's photographed from behind.

Something doesn't add up.

THIS!

From the OP's link:

Juli Briskman told the Huffington Post on Saturday that after photos of her flipping off the presidential caravan while riding a bike Oct. 28 started appearing online and in news reports, she thought she should alert her employer, Akima LLC, a government contractor.

When she returned to work that Monday, Oct. 30, she informed the company’s human resources department.

So...on Saturday afternoon, she was photographed giving the motorcade the finger. Somehow it went *viral* on Sunday -- and she found out about it -- so, on Monday morning she felt she needed to tell her employer.

Even though you can't even see her face in the pic.

It makes no sense.

To me, the photo looks like it may have been taken by someone on a bike behind her....someone she knew.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: intrepid
Trump is not the issue here. No matter who the prez is they still would have sacked her. Government contractor remember.

If it happened during working hours, then sure. She is reflecting badly on her employer. If she was in off hours, it's nobody's #ing business unless she is actively identifying as an employee of that company. It's not like she's indentured or something.

That's why you read the policy book that the company gives you, if you don't understand it then ask HR and they will tell you.

No, that's why I like unions. If the employer wants to infringe upon my private time, then he can pay me for the privilege. If not, it's none of his business...especially if I'm not breaking any laws.

That's why you don't tell your company what you do in your personal time, she was the idiot who did it to herself.

Actually, she oughtta get points for going to HR to say 'incoming'.

Hey boss I soiled the company name by giving our largest buyer the finger, can I have a raise now.

Yea, she should get points.



At least she has something to think about while she waits in line at the unemployment office.

That a company that does business with the government would have to be politically neutral and separate itself from activists is a no brainer. A company that is politically active and takes sides is not only incompetently managed, it's telling half of it's potential customers to # off, we don't want your business and screwing over it's investors.

Odd anyone would think otherwise. It's lose, lose for a company to be partisan in any way. It was right for them to fire someone so immature as to flip off the President and then advertise it. I doubt it even needed to be in the employment agreement. Only fools mix business and politics.

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: intrepid
Trump is not the issue here. No matter who the prez is they still would have sacked her. Government contractor remember.

If it happened during working hours, then sure. She is reflecting badly on her employer. If she was in off hours, it's nobody's #ing business unless she is actively identifying as an employee of that company. It's not like she's indentured or something.

That's why you read the policy book that the company gives you, if you don't understand it then ask HR and they will tell you.

No, that's why I like unions. If the employer wants to infringe upon my private time, then he can pay me for the privilege. If not, it's none of his business...especially if I'm not breaking any laws.

That's why you don't tell your company what you do in your personal time, she was the idiot who did it to herself.

Actually, she oughtta get points for going to HR to say 'incoming'.

Hey boss I soiled the company name by giving our largest buyer the finger, can I have a raise now.

Yea, she should get points.

At least she has something to think about while she waits in line at the unemployment office.

You could argue that her actions as an individual do not represent her as an employee.

if they do then speaking out against the government or going to wild parties or whatever legal activities you choose to participate in are not allowed ithout fear of loosing your job.

a reply to: nonspecific

She didn't have to tell her boss anything and all would be fine, but she didn't and that all on her.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
That a company that does business with the government would have to be politically neutral and separate itself from activists is a no brainer. A company that is politically active and takes sides is not only incompetently managed, it's telling half of it's potential customers to # off, we don't want your business and screwing over it's investors.

Odd anyone would think otherwise. It's lose, lose for a company to be partisan in any way. It was right for them to fire someone so immature as to flip off the President and then advertise it. I doubt it even needed to be in the employment agreement. Only fools mix business and politics.

But would the company actually be in danger of losing a contract over something like this?

Would the government really cancel a multi million or even billion dollar contract because a random low level employee flipped Trump a bird?

I am pretty sure the media would have a field day if such a petty action were taken.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
So she was fired for flipping Trump the bird in her own time.

Doesn't seem like she should be fired to me.

Virginia is at will employment, they can fire her for pretty much any reason they want.

So you basically have no employment rights and protection.

Well that sucks.

surly she can sue them though now for unfair dismissal?

Nope, when I first learned of at will states, I couldn't believe it. I knew someone who worked at a pizza restaurant who wouldn't even take time off if she was sick. She was worried they'd just sack her, and for $3 an hour plus tips, that was unbelievable.

Nothing like that here at all... job security in some places there is simply non-existent.

a reply to: nonspecific

You could also argue that it was stupid of this woman to go tell her employer (because you can't even see her face in the pic), so her employer had a great reason for firing her: She's an idiot.

Plus, I happen to think she staged all of it. It doesn't make sense, otherwise.

originally posted by: badw0lf

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
So she was fired for flipping Trump the bird in her own time.

Doesn't seem like she should be fired to me.

Virginia is at will employment, they can fire her for pretty much any reason they want.

So you basically have no employment rights and protection.

Well that sucks.

surly she can sue them though now for unfair dismissal?

Nope, when I first learned of at will states, I couldn't believe it. I knew someone who worked at a pizza restaurant who wouldn't even take time off if she was sick. She was worried they'd just sack her, and for $3 an hour plus tips, that was unbelievable.

Nothing like that here at all... job security in some places there is simply non-existent.

So there is nothing in law in some states to stop an employer sacking you without any reason? What about unions and such?

What if an employer tells you to work a 20 hour day or break a law and you refuse, can they just sack you for that?

a reply to: nonspecific

Would the government really cancel a multi million or even billion dollar contract because a random low level employee flipped Trump a bird?

Maybe, maybe not but the company is not going to take that risk over it.

a reply to: nonspecific

Does it matter? She accepted employment under the rules she agreed to follow. At the very least it means she can't be trusted and her word is meaningless. She also shows poor critical thinking skills by taking it to social media and not thinking it would impact her at work. All in all, not a desirable employee for anyone.

I suspect there is a history of behavior we are not privy to. Normally I'd expect a warning unless there were other factors. Nothing worse in the workplace than a political activist type and they always tend to also be trouble causers in general.

originally posted by: nonspecific
What if an employer tells you to work a 20 hour day or break a law and you refuse, can they just sack you for that?

Now that's just silly and a red herring. The company did not break the law.

They protected their investors and the companies bottom line. Most investors in the US are peoples retirement funds and contrary to the nonsense about evil corporations, they are mostly owned by average workers through those funds.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: intrepid
Trump is not the issue here. No matter who the prez is they still would have sacked her. Government contractor remember.

If it happened during working hours, then sure. She is reflecting badly on her employer. If she was in off hours, it's nobody's #ing business unless she is actively identifying as an employee of that company. It's not like she's indentured or something.

That's why you read the policy book that the company gives you, if you don't understand it then ask HR and they will tell you.

No, that's why I like unions. If the employer wants to infringe upon my private time, then he can pay me for the privilege. If not, it's none of his business...especially if I'm not breaking any laws.

That's why you don't tell your company what you do in your personal time, she was the idiot who did it to herself.

Actually, she oughtta get points for going to HR to say 'incoming'.

That's an excellent observation. Now why would she have done that? Because she knew her actions would reflect on the company, not just herself. She knew the company would take some heat. Apparently the company agreed.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: intrepid

Crazy, remember when Pierre Trudeau(Canada'a Prime Minister at the time) gave protestor's in Salmon Arm the finger.

And was then reelected. Bwahahahahaha

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I like how some of the people in this thread are more offended than by your thread regarding USA and gun ownership, go figure

Freedom of speech and expression, give him the middle finger from me, not because he is right or left, but he is just another politician, surely everyone knows they are all in it for themselves and do not represent the goodness in any of you who defend him/them.

Sure some of you want to shoot that middle finger of hers off, go on admit it