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originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: nwtrucker
If the training kill ratios are that high against modern aircraft, imagine what they will rack up for real against North Korea's decrepit Air Force.
The fact is, even with some of the best IRST in the world, there is no way a Typhoon would know where to find the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
"You still have to know where to look," said Bronk, which would be "almost impossible."
First off, there is an "enormous amounts of clutter and all sorts of Air Force missile threats in any contested environment." Secondly, IRST is hugely affected by weather. Humid parts of the world are inhospitable, and the thermal imaging works better at night when the skies are cooler.
But even on a good day, looking for fifth-generation aircraft in the open skies with IRST is like "looking through a drinking straw," said Bronk.
"The [IRST] field of regard is quite small... and it's much much harder to perform a wide sector scan in a way that a radar can," said Bronk.
originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: nwtrucker
Any word on how the F-15E nailed one?
That'd be really interesting to know, but I could see that information being classified due to the obvious implications revealing a weakness could have...
originally posted by: nwtrucker
If this is accurate, I would again say the US may outright own the skies...
Thoughts?
originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: nwtrucker
The fact is, even with some of the best IRST in the world, there is no way a Typhoon would know where to find the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
"You still have to know where to look," said Bronk, which would be "almost impossible."
First off, there is an "enormous amounts of clutter and all sorts of Air Force missile threats in any contested environment." Secondly, IRST is hugely affected by weather. Humid parts of the world are inhospitable, and the thermal imaging works better at night when the skies are cooler.
But even on a good day, looking for fifth-generation aircraft in the open skies with IRST is like "looking through a drinking straw," said Bronk.
"The [IRST] field of regard is quite small... and it's much much harder to perform a wide sector scan in a way that a radar can," said Bronk.
IRST can't stop f22 f35
originally posted by: mightmight
originally posted by: nwtrucker
If this is accurate, I would again say the US may outright own the skies...
Thoughts?
Why would the results be any different compared to the F-22s performance in long range BVR simulations?
It the scenario stealth fighters are designed for.
The real question is if the AIM-120D would actually work as advertised/simulated in actual combat.
Accurately simulating an engagement against an opponent using modern decoys and DECM is difficult. The kill probability has always been overestimated by a large margin historically.
Technology has changed on both side of the eqution though, so who knows.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: nwtrucker
The fact is, even with some of the best IRST in the world, there is no way a Typhoon would know where to find the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
"You still have to know where to look," said Bronk, which would be "almost impossible."
First off, there is an "enormous amounts of clutter and all sorts of Air Force missile threats in any contested environment." Secondly, IRST is hugely affected by weather. Humid parts of the world are inhospitable, and the thermal imaging works better at night when the skies are cooler.
But even on a good day, looking for fifth-generation aircraft in the open skies with IRST is like "looking through a drinking straw," said Bronk.
"The [IRST] field of regard is quite small... and it's much much harder to perform a wide sector scan in a way that a radar can," said Bronk.
IRST can't stop f22 f35
Then why is the USAF developing laser-powered IRCMs?
Kill ratios are cited as 18-0 against the Rafale, 19-0 against the Eurofighter and 16-1 against the F-15E.
originally posted by: muzzleflash
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: nwtrucker
The fact is, even with some of the best IRST in the world, there is no way a Typhoon would know where to find the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
"You still have to know where to look," said Bronk, which would be "almost impossible."
First off, there is an "enormous amounts of clutter and all sorts of Air Force missile threats in any contested environment." Secondly, IRST is hugely affected by weather. Humid parts of the world are inhospitable, and the thermal imaging works better at night when the skies are cooler.
But even on a good day, looking for fifth-generation aircraft in the open skies with IRST is like "looking through a drinking straw," said Bronk.
"The [IRST] field of regard is quite small... and it's much much harder to perform a wide sector scan in a way that a radar can," said Bronk.
IRST can't stop f22 f35
Then why is the USAF developing laser-powered IRCMs?
Ah, OK. That makes sense.
I was just rewriting the shortened name of the article (in the web address) "/IRST can't stop f22 f35".
You'd still want IRCM for close combat after you're spotted and they fired IR homing missiles at you.
So spawn killing?
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: muzzleflash
The most likely, and common way it happens is the Red Air aircraft regenerates close to the Blue Air aircraft, and is in a position for a snap shot as soon as they come back to life.
originally posted by: Sammamishman
a reply to: nwtrucker
IR missiles.