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originally posted by: fiverx313
originally posted by: badw0lf
so someone redlined to a life of poverty, causing them to statistically more prone to violent crime, shoud just be ingored by the law and in order to get the message out sickeningly wealthy ball fondlers will take a knee during the anthem... yeah?
#don'tkillcrooks is the new rage huh.
so your position is that police killings of unarmed black citizens is always justified, because they're all crooks, even when they've not been charged with a crime, or when the crime is nonviolent? you're okay with cops handing out death penalties to black people on the streets?
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: fiverx313
That's bs. Prove it? Oh yeah you can't. As always.
I can!
This website here track police shootings by all different factors, race, gender etc... its pretty cool
www.washingtonpost.com...
It states as of this year there have been 721 people shot and killed by police this year
323 of them were white
164 were black
112 were hispanic
24 other non-white
Lets add up those totals shall we?
323 white vs a total of 300 non-white..
Ahh.. but you yourself will probably say "SEE!! MORE WHITE PEOPLE GET SHOT! THERE ISNT A RACE PROBLEM!"
Wrong..
The US Population as shown here
en.wikipedia.org...
is..
72.4% white
12.6% black
15% other
So as I did above
72.4% white
27.6% not white
Now here is the fun part where I prove what you didnt think I could prove...
Whites make up 51.8% of the shootings per the stats above
Non whites make up 48.2% of the shootings per the stats above..
Wait a minute...
Our population is only made up of 27.6% non-white people yet... they account for 48.2% of those killed by police? ALMOST TWICE THE PERCENTAGE OF THEIR POPULATION!!
non white citizens are killed by police at almost twice the rate.
You saw it right there.
Bazingaa!
Wheres my medal>?>
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
You know how in times of emergency our flag is flown upside-down? (an act that may seem disrespectful)
Or when there is a tragedy our flag is flown at half-mast?
THAT is what this is.
That is what so many people.. those who kneel, and those who support those protesting are trying to explain.
Kneeling during the anthem is a symbol that although our country is great, it is in distress. There is a tragedy occurring.
originally posted by: jtma508
a reply to: DeadElf
Correlation/causation has nothing to do with the argument presented. It's a straw-man argument (anyone that knows statistics should know that term). If you placed 100 colored marbles in a bowl, 50 white/50 non-white, and you pulled out 10 without looking, statistically you would expect 5 white and 5 non-white if there was no other force at-work.
If you placed 100 marbles in a bowl, 72 white and 28 non-nonwhite, and then selected 10 without looking, you would expect ~7 white and ~3 non-white. That is statistics, period. If, instead you pulled out 5 white and 5 non-white it would indicate that there is another force at work. The selection was NOT random. and violates the laws of probability. It shouldn't happen if EVERYTHING WAS EQUAL.
originally posted by: notsure1
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: notsure1
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Galacticsun
I'm someone who enjoys watching football, but with the cowardly stance that the NFL has taken allowing a platform for an anti-American, self hatred cultural change, I will temporarily and completely refrain from "anything" football until they get back to their senses. This to me is an easy decision, as no game compares to the respect that I have for the America I love and grew up with, and no athlete's talent is so great that I will overlook the message he is allowed to send on one of the greatest platforms in American society.. that platform being the one provided by professional sports.
It is incredibly disheartening to me to see even very patriotic and conservative people that I know, not even blink twice about their watching habits in the face of this controversy. I truly do believe that the vast majority of Americans, even so-called patriotic Americans, have been lulled to apathy by entertainment and comfort. If you can't even turn off a football game then how do you expect to send any meaningful message that will spur change?
To my liberal minded friends, I see you as Americans too and don't have an ounce of hate in my heart for anyone. To me this is not about hating anyone but creating the best America for future generations. Our country is divided on the vision we want for our country but when we are not trying to take over the steering wheel of where this country is going, we still have a lot in common. I have my insights into why I feel that the direction the liberal agenda wants to steer us down will lead to a long-term cultural suicide and severe weakening of our country.. But that's for another post.
Its quite obvious you dont understand the protest.
I dont mean that in a mean way either. I want to help you understand your neighbors.
I understand you. You have patriotic ideals you hold dear to your heart, you love your country.
I do too. I served for the U.S. Army myself... why? I did so because I care. I wanted to help protect this country and give back to it what it gave to me.
That being said I am still able to recognize that our country is not perfect.
My neighbors, and brothers are not all treated the same in our society, and it is a problem!
You know how in times of emergency our flag is flown upside-down? (an act that may seem disrespectful)
Or when there is a tragedy our flag is flown at half-mast?
THAT is what this is.
That is what so many people.. those who kneel, and those who support those protesting are trying to explain.
Kneeling during the anthem is a symbol that although our country is great, it is in distress. There is a tragedy occurring.
People are getting unjustly killed by those in power, by use of excessive force of the police departments in some communities. In addition to that, Rascism is still very real, we saw that in Charoloettesville. People are being discriminated against in multiple facets of life due to their race and socioeconomic backgrounds.
YOUR NEIGHBORS
It is not meant as a sign of disrespect, it is meant as a plea for help!
Yes these athletes are millionaires, and may no longer have to face as much adversity as they may have in the past... but that is exactly why they are doing it. They are kneeling for the men and women who DONT have a voice on a national stage.
This is what we want want you to hear, and understand!
Thats all great and a great post and we do understand the movement and what they are trying to bring awareness too.
We just dont give a shi on Sundays, all we wanna do is watch football not a protest.
I understand your concern.
However, how is it really any different than Breast Cancer Awareness Month where all the NFL teams wear pink?
Or when the NFL does awareness campaigns for Natural Disaster cleanup
Or when the NFL does hanti-human trafficking campaigns
Or what about NFL PLAY 60 collaboration with the United Way, wrking on instituting exercise in our childrens daily routines?
How is this no different?
its different because todays fiasco was all about Trump and getting back at Trump.
It cant get any more political.
originally posted by: dashen
I expect the nfl to lose millions if not billions over this misguided idiocy.
originally posted by: darkbake
its different because todays fiasco was all about Trump and getting back at Trump.
It cant get any more political.
It is Trump's own fault that the NFL intensified their protest. He called one of the protestors a "son of a bitch" and said that they should get fired. As the President, he is the one who intensified the protests. He threatened not only to ignore the message of the protests but to take away the first amendment rights of the protestors.