Nurse forcibly arrested for not allowing cop to draw blood of unconscious patient(Video)

Yep, time to shift the blame to the nurse.

originally posted by: roadgravel
Yep, time to shift the blame to the nurse.

Nope, not at all.. I am simply suggesting both sides behavior should be looked at since a simple action by medical staff would have ended the encounter before it started.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

In fact he did unless you are accusing the detective of lying in his report now. He released her when he found out a blood draw was done by medical staff.

Why didnt the nurses present tell him?

Why didn't the officer ask the question? She answered the question he did ask with the answer she was legally obligated to give. We have to hold LEO's hands now and tell them the questions they were supposed to ask?

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

His report reflects the facts as he observed them and is supported by the bodycam video. If we want to refer to the laws in this case a person cannot resist an arrest, detention or stop, regardless if the initial action was illegal. Using that standard / law the moment the nurse refused to comply when he went to take her into custody she could be charged with additional items.

Instead the detective released her when medical informed him a blood sample was taken and documented in his report that she was then released from custody and would instead allow detectives review what occurred for charges, if any.

as for his comment a hospital that has a 24 hour er cant refuse patients on sight and refusals have to meet certain criteria.

So what did they do that prevented him getting a satisfying answer?

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: Xcathdra


I am not making the claim it was ever said. You are the one making an erroneous claim of the medical pro's just wanted to fight police. So burden of proof is on you, I am not making a false claim, you are, So again show me where they say that in the video or shut it.

During the video the medical staff keeps telling him no to the blood draw. they then print the policy and tell him no. they then get administrators on he line to tell him no.

After the nurse is taken into custody then medical tellls him they did a blood draw, ending the encounter.

Medicals confrontation with the detective is in the video. Now, show me in the video where medical staff told him they took a blood sample.

a reply to: Xcathdra


OH MY GOD now you are doubling down on stupid. IF and a big IF you are LE , you are a jack booted thug that believes you don't enforce the law but rather YOU are the law. And you should have your commission book and badge and gun taken immediately

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

In fact he did unless you are accusing the detective of lying in his report now. He released her when he found out a blood draw was done by medical staff.

Why didnt the nurses present tell him?

Why didn't the officer ask the question? She answered the question he did ask with the answer she was legally obligated to give. We have to hold LEO's hands now and tell them the questions they were supposed to ask?

Back to my question - Why didnt medical staff inform of the blood draw when he first arrived and explained why he was there and what he was there for?

We have to hold medical staffs hands when it comes to providing information to law enforcement that they are legally entitled to have?

a reply to: Xcathdra



They had a printed policy that the PD agreed to which is more than the cop had, as he did not even have the law on his side. But you being the cop you are don't believe you need PS or RS just tell people to do whatever you want them to do and if they don't bend to YOUR will then watch out.

originally posted by: roadgravel
So what did they do that prevented him getting a satisfying answer?

They refused him access to the patient so he could perform a blood draw at the request of the Logan police department who was working the fatality accident portion of the pursuit.

He was not demanding medical staff to draw blood for him.

a reply to: Xcathdra


Why didn't he ask?

a reply to: Xcathdra

But the whole issue was he wasn't to be allowed access, right? Wants and allowed can be different.

a reply to: Xcathdra



HE HAD NO PC and knew he could not even get a warrant. he was in the wrong. I know you keep saying he does not need pc, but legal scholars, the supreme court, other LE's all disagree with you.

a reply to: norhoc

See this is why you need to read before posting. Its already been posted that the Hospital policy was there own and not the police departments policy. The Mayor and Police chief both stated that once they were made aware of what occurred the pd policy was reviewed and brought in line with the hospitals policy. They also noted that since then they have met with hospital admin to refine the polices to satisfy both sides.

By the way Utah state law provides for civil immunity for performing blood draws at the direction of law enforcement.

so before you post please make sure you have the up to date information.

By the way Utah state law provides for civil immunity for performing blood draws at the direction of law enforcement.

But that doesn't mean a person must throw away their ethics or desire to follow rules.

a reply to: Xcathdra


Hospital also today stated that law enforcement is no longer allowed to have direct interaction with medical staff. So one moron has messed it all up for good cops, yet you still defend the one moron you are in bad company

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: Xcathdra

But the whole issue was he wasn't to be allowed access, right? Wants and allowed can be different.

He wanted to know where the patient was to perform a blood draw. Medical at that point refused him access to the patient / patients location citing hospital policy. The detective was operating under a different pd policy. The Hospital argued the point with their policy and said he either gets a warrant or the patients consent.

after an hour of back and forth with medical and the detectives Lt. he was ordered to arrest the nurse if she continues to interfere.

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: Xcathdra



They had a printed policy that the PD agreed to which is more than the cop had, as he did not even have the law on his side. But you being the cop you are don't believe you need PS or RS just tell people to do whatever you want them to do and if they don't bend to YOUR will then watch out.

no they printed a policy and told the detective the pd agreed to it. The Mayor and Police Chiefs comments and actions on the policy show that to be not true. The pd policy changed after the incident occurred.

originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: Xcathdra


Why didn't he ask?

Why didnt they tell him?

a reply to: norhoc

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