When you Erase the History of a Country, that history is Bound to Be Repeated.

a reply to: Bwomp83

If you inherited slave money through a direct line.. did you still have nothing to do with it???

a reply to: carewemust

I've said numerous times how I feel about it. I don't want that crap on public grounds & I don't want a penny of my taxes going to anything related to it. I don't care what people put in museums, books, personal property, etc, just as I don't care what consenting adults do in their bedrooms.

What makes you think African American schoolchildren will only know what's taught in public schools? None of the things I listed in my previous post were taught to me in public schools. I doubt many of you even know what the "Massive Resistance" was or who "the Redeemers" from the Jim Crow era were if I don't mention them.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
I keep saying we need to add lots of statues depicting the horrors of slavery. Evil white men whipping slaves across the back until their skin was shredded; evil white men ripping children from their mother's arms to sell to another plantation; evil white men not allowing men and women slaves to marry each other; evil white men not allowing slave children to learn to read and write, etc.

So we don't forget how evil the white man can be. History is important.

OH NO!

We can only have Selective History.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Bwomp83

If you inherited slave money through a direct line.. did you still have nothing to do with it???

But, i didnt... we buy products in america built by slaves, dont wanna hear it!

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So i guess hispanics, and white people should have a beef with the Arab and Muslim world because to this day there are hispanics and white people who are being traded in the slave trade/human trafficking, alongside non-arab blacks and other ethnic groups who are still being trafficked by different groups, including Muslim Arabs...

What does that have to do with what I said or what I responded to?

Before white people began enslaving blacks, Arabs were already enslaving blacks, whites, and any tribe that was conquered. Not to mention that i guess whites should have a beef with whites because the Romans also had many white slaves from other tribes alongside some black slaves...

I see plenty of white people who have beef with other white people, such as libs vs conservatives; capitalists vs socialists; Protestants vs Catholics; England vs France vs Germany; Manchester United fans vs. Liverpool fans; Alabama fans vs Auburn fans; etc. What does that have to do with someone's statement that black people here shouldn't have beef over slavery?

Also, I know full well what some Muslim civilizations have done. After all, a week ago I typed this:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

But that has nothing to do with American taxpayer dollars going towards supporting the actions of slaveowners right here.

As for your beef about the opposition to the Civil Rights Movement, the jim Crow laws, the black codes etc...Those were laws passed by democrats... Do you have a beef with democrats over this?...

LOL I just pointed out in a thread that got removed how funny this reasoning is.

The only reason Republicans today get blamed for this stuff is because the Republicans today who are still supporting the confederacy & its leaders. It's the Republicans today who are implementing the "Southern Strategy", as former RNC chairman and Reagan crony Lee Atwater said (HERE). It's the Republicans today who are marching with literal neo-Nazis and white supremacists at "Unite the Right" rallies to protest the removal of these statues and monuments. And it's the Republicans today who claim that it's their history and heritage that's being removed.

So please tell me why modern Republicans are fighting to support the actions & the failed country of racist Democrats from the past? If you really don't know or believe that the Democrats and Republicans switched stances on racial issues during the Civil Rights Movement, then why are today's conservatives right here on ATS so hellbent on taking up for those racist Democrats? Are you admitting that the right wing has been brainwashed into flying the flag of racist Democrats?

Also, I challenge anyone here to look up the party platforms for the modern KKK and neo-Nazi branches. Grow a pair and look for yourself because that will show you exactly which political party those groups align themselves with. And here's a hint, the vast majority of their policies don't line up with the modern Democrats.

Not to mention, the majority of black murders are black on black violent attacks, so why blame white people when the majority of such murders are committed by blacks?

Oh shut up. White people commit "white on white" crime everyday and nobody holds all white people accountable for it. Nobody asks where the white community's leaders are ("where's Pat Robertson and Joel Osteen?") every time a white man beats his wife, kills his kids, robs a bank, robs some investors, or commits any other crime. Statistically speaking, people always commit more crimes against people from their own demographic, but only black people get called out for it.

Also, I didn't blame all white people for anything. Nowhere in my posts did I do that so don't put words in my mouth. I only blame the individuals who did it and the individuals who enable it.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

And for the record, it's not just the slavery that pisses us off. It's the slavery followed by the "Black Codes", followed by the "Jim Crow laws", followed by the opposition to the "Civil Rights Movement", followed by the "Massive Resistance" (also HERE), followed by the "police brutality epidemic of the 70s and 80s", followed by the racial profiling/ "stop and frisk"/"broken windows" of today, etc.

If the BS ended with the end of the Civil War, it would be great. But the BS has continued in different forms to this day. And lo and behold, we all have recent ancestors and living family members who've gone through these extra phases of BS.

That bears repeating because that's what pisses me off to the highest of pisstivity. People today act that that ish either didn't happen or had absolutely no impact on what's going on today.

a reply to: Tempter

I don't think that's accurate. I've stated this before: I'm of Irish-Catholic descent and if there was a statue of Oliver Cromwell near my home or office I would be offended. It wouldn't ruin my life but if I were in the right mood I may deface it (in an impermanent fashion of course).

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

There is a big difference in saying white people now should not be blamed, and shamed for what happened 200 years ago

...

But, going by your thread title, if we have no statues of white people in 19th century clothing whipping black folks, how will white people know not to do it?

I am sorry, was the Statue of Lee whipping slaves or showing pride in mistreating slaves?

I am sorry, did you want to answer the question I asked or just deflect?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The other actions you cite are much more harmful and I would say that it would be a much better use of your time to confront those issues instead of protecting the statues of the losers.

Also, the slippery-slope argument is not a valid debate tactic.

a reply to: Bwomp83

No I'm not taking about some vague "money's changed hands a dozen times but technically it is still that same money..

I mean a DIRECT LINE..


X big company 100% built on the backs of Y very specific slaves, which has been handed down father to son with no bankruptcy or company being sold to a third party....

The point is segregation is only 2 generations old.. slavery 4 generations old...



That's not some ancient past where there is no telling who actually did what...

You have a paper trail where X fathers work as a slave paid for Y Rich persons fortune that they still have today..


That doesn't go away in a couple generations....

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Except not backed by a government as it was in America and the confederacy.. underground sex tradeing is not chattle slavery...


And to your silliest point..

EVERY RACIAL GROUP MURDERS MORE OF THEIR OWN THAN ANYONE ELSE...

Every racial group...

Aka thats something that sounds good and means nothing..

why don't you guys demand germany put some hitler statues up?
he was against the antifa when it mattered and is the base for neo-nazi marches now yet, germany don't celebrate him nor forget his history, which is the point being made in this thread.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: xuenchen

Sure let's don't let an opportunity to trash Clinton pass.

Heck, Clinton was found to have said racist remarks did she not? But the left want to claim that democrats like Hillary are not racist anymore and are trying to help minorities...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Those don't show the evil that white men committed against slaves. Let's not erase that part of history.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

It has everything to do with you claiming that black people should have a beef because of the Jim Crow Laws, the civil right acts, etc, etc, all which were opposed by democrats, and since the 1800s democrats have been opposing the Republican's attempts to implement civil rights, the right of all men and women to vote, etc.

a reply to: [post=22589625]enlightenedservant

So please tell me why modern Republicans are fighting to support the actions & the failed country of racist Democrats from the past?
...

Because democrats, and the left in general want to re-write history.

BTW, as for who would racists in the KKK vote for? Since democrats want an open border, and want to get rid of American sovereignty, racists would align with the political party that wants to keep the country's sovereignty. That's the part that makes racists in the kkk nationalists. Nationalism in itself is not evil, or bad... But that doesn't make the politicians they vote for "white power assholes".

And one more thing. Since you want to bring up who the racists in the KKK vote for, what about who the racists in black communist groups like BLM vote for?

a reply to: [post=22589625]enlightenedservant

Also, I didn't blame all white people for anything. Nowhere in my posts did I do that so don't put words in my mouth. I only blame the individuals who did it and the individuals who enable it.

No, but you apparently want to blame republicans today for what democrats did passing the Jim Crow laws, opposing the civil rights acts, etc, etc.

As for your claim that "republicans today are supporting the confederacy and actions of racist democrats in the past"... BS, what republicans are against is erasing part of the history of the United States, because as we have seen, the same people in the left also want to erase the history, and monuments from people like Washington, and Lincoln... It does not make all, or the majority of republicans today "racist"...

originally posted by: kaylaluv

Those don't show the evil that white men committed against slaves. Let's not erase that part of history.

Could you show us which monument of Lee, or the other monuments that the left want to destroy, shows Lee, or others whipping slaves?...

BTW, those monuments i showed you which exist in the united states do express some of the hardships of slaves in the U.S... One of them is in the form of a boat to symbolize the boats which took slaves from Africa to the U.S. Then there are other monuments showing the hard labor that slaves had to do.

BTW, I am not a supporter of any confederate monument, or symbol, but I am also not a supporter of erasing those monuments when they are part of U.S. history.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Lee isn't shown whipping slaves. There are no statues of evil white men whipping slaves. That's my point. There should be statues of evil white men whipping slaves, because that was a part of our history. We shouldn't erase it just because it makes white people look bad.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Lee isn't shown whipping slaves. There are no statues of evil white men whipping slaves. That's my point. There should be statues of evil white men whipping slaves, because that was a part of our history. We shouldn't erase it just because it makes white people look bad.

...There are paintings in monuments about slavery showing the evil acts committed by white men in the U.S...
...There are painting in monuments about slavery in Europe showing the evil acts committed by white men in Europe...

Oh and btw...there are no statues showing democrats killing/hanging/lynching republicans who tried to help slaves... Yet, in case you didn't know it happened and it's part of American history. However, many monuments to the evils of slavery do show pictures, and paintings that depict and talk about such terrible acts.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Heck, how about you show us ONE statue/monument showing and specifying democrats murdering, lynching, hanging, burning white Republicans for helping slaves... Show me ONE such statue/monument...

originally posted by: kaylaluv
I keep saying we need to add lots of statues depicting the horrors of slavery. Evil white men whipping slaves across the back until their skin was shredded; evil white men ripping children from their mother's arms to sell to another plantation; evil white men not allowing men and women slaves to marry each other; evil white men not allowing slave children to learn to read and write, etc.

So we don't forget how evil the white man can be. History is important.

Long as you havecsome statues of evil black men selling there own kin into slavery......