By 2030 you may not need or want one

originally posted by: Tempter

That's more forward thinking than you know, maybe.

With robots replacing people in giant cities of manufacturing and service, the only people that need to live there are the robot repairers and logistics supply. WIth no need to live in the city, people can move back to the country organically, and this could also help with the overpopulation problem. A NATURAL solution to it.

it's no secret cities are the cause of mass global pollution

I've only been trying to talk about it for the last 5 years, but as soon as I say I want to ban money and make everything free... heads explode.



They think they know human nature.

I say we haven't seen it yet.

a reply to: 727Sky

10 years is too short a timeline. If you remember in the 60-70s people said we would all have jetpacks by 2000. Its 2017 now and only like 10 people have jetpacks.

originally posted by: Pearj
We are Jeepers here at home.

Aside from the obstacles, challenges, scenery, camaraderie, working together out in the garage, the feeling of being able to go anywhere, abundant beautiful nature, jeep waves and heads turning, jeep shows, car crushes etc..

..there's the love and freedom of driving hands on - and that won't change.

Maybe you are correct as others have indicated...But let me tell you a story.. I used to own airplanes and on the weekends if not working I did airshows. A cylinder for an engine on one of my aircraft blew and I replaced it with a brand new cylinder assembly for around $379 USD.. Fast forward to just 10 years later and that same cylinder cost $1299 USD.. The cost of traditional auto-parts will sky rocket IMO. Aircraft that could be purchased for less than 30K now cost well over 100k and heavy on the well over.. Also as others have said the insurance companies will drive many out of a POV unless you want to drive without insurance..which many will do IMO as some do now until they are caught...

Like others I may not be alive when 2030 rolls around or when all this automation takes off in a big way.. The new young generation will never know what it was like to go in your own (or daddy's car) after the big day of getting your driver's license... They will just use their parents credit card for transportation...always gotta have something to get under the skin of the care givers...

Anyway thanks for the replies and thoughts on what it may be like in the not to distant future.

a reply to: 727Sky

And what happens when one shows up with puke (or worse) in it. Those vehicles will be pretty gross pretty quick

originally posted by: dfnj2015
The moment I lose control over what I can click on next I will stop using the internet. If the Republicans have their way with net neutrality I will look for a new internet.

It might have the effect of spurring the growth of non-centralized peer to peer networking if they restrict too much? And once that kind of network gets out of the bag, I dont think it will go back in.

As far as the cars, I expect more like 50% might eventually turn to that in large cities, but in small towns and country areas, few people will go that route. Personally, I like having the freedom that having my own ride offers.

I get that in cities the car of today may become endagered (it needs to)

But I highly doubt that us rural folk are going to give up our cars. There are no buses, trains, taxis or anything remotely resembling public transport where I live. And I cannot imagine relying on battery technology to drive me on the 900km round trip to the nearest capital city in a single day. Not yet anyway.

This is fairly typical futurist hype.

Seems to be way to soon for this to happen. If anything, it will be limited to cities are some are are planning having driver-less cars(for example) have their own highway lanes in the near future. Outside of metro areas will be more of a challenge especially people aren't going to want to use or have it be more convenient of a service that is very limited in their areas.

a reply to: 727Sky

Frankly, I would be more "amazed" by the cost of a latte being $4.50 than I would be of free transportation.

I can remember when a "plain old" cup of coffee was a dime. With the even rising costs associated with inflation, the price of a latte will be closer to $45 than to $4.50.

a reply to: 727Sky

I think its a great idea for the cities anyways as that would mean less traffic & pollution and possibly more space to move about.. walk about...

All ties in with other control initiatives.

Last thing the fat controllers want is people taking cash to buy an heap. Lobbyists employed by vehicle manufacturers want rules and regs preventing Joe B 'owning' their products. No, they want us all on 3yr lease-buy options, access to our banking arrangements, paying regular monthly amounts, upgrading at the end of the lease.

Soon, only the rich will be able to afford to own a vehicle. The comfortably well off will be able to engage fully with the new lease arrangements and have access to private vehicles and everyone else will either be financially compromised just to participate as the well off or have no access to anything other than privately run public transport.

Why use an autonomous vehicle when you could just take the train?

No one will be alive in 2030 anyway.

Let me go all woo woo and conspiracy theory...

Suppose you post on a site like ATS or you were recorded as having been against government control on levels like we are seeing. You hop in the vehicle, the door lock, authorities (or armed police drone cars) are rerouted to escort you to a re-education facility.

Perhaps somebody with power just doesn't like you and your automatic car takes you to a bad neighborhood and locks the doors open.

Maybe a jewish media mogul buys controlling interest in the automatic car fleet and people who will not be missed so much are delivered to a hospital to have organs removed. Too woo woo?? Meh, maybe..

This would be like riding to a party with a friend and having no way to leave if it sucked x 1000. No thanks.

Back some time ago I bought an older truck for various reasons. One of those reasons was because it didn't have the sophisticated electronics and tracking. I even told people this and why and they said I was too paranoid. With the leaks about what our intelligence services have been up to I wonder if they would think the same. To be honest they probably are not even aware. Not that alphabet agencies can't do something nefarious with my vehicle but they would have to make an effort vs have instant access to me.

Meh, I drive about 70k miles a year between work, chores, and racing.

You can have my steering wheel when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

originally posted by: Apollumi
Let me go all woo woo and conspiracy theory...

Suppose you post on a site like ATS or you were recorded as having been against government control on levels like we are seeing. You hop in the vehicle, the door lock, authorities (or armed police drone cars) are rerouted to escort you to a re-education facility.

Perhaps somebody with power just doesn't like you and your automatic car takes you to a bad neighborhood and locks the doors open.

Maybe a jewish media mogul buys controlling interest in the automatic car fleet and people who will not be missed so much are delivered to a hospital to have organs removed. Too woo woo?? Meh, maybe..

This would be like riding to a party with a friend and having no way to leave if it sucked x 1000. No thanks.

Back some time ago I bought an older truck for various reasons. One of those reasons was because it didn't have the sophisticated electronics and tracking. I even told people this and why and they said I was too paranoid. With the leaks about what our intelligence services have been up to I wonder if they would think the same. To be honest they probably are not even aware. Not that alphabet agencies can't do something nefarious with my vehicle but they would have to make an effort vs have instant access to me.

They wouldn't even need a car. I was once in a hotel (Scandic, Trondheim) where you had to put your room card in the elevator. I was a bit slow in doing this and found myself suddenly being "disappeared" down into the basement of the hotel. I didn't realize at the time but the elevator had two sets of doors and the set of doors behind actually led to the kitchen. Practically jumped out of my shoes when a chef tapped me on the should because they wanted space for their trolley. I looked round and saw a large clinically clean kitchen with fresh meat being chopped up.

originally posted by: Violater1
a reply to: 727Sky
I think the automotive industry will kill this. Just like J P Morgan killed Tesla's free energy.
It won"t be allowed to happen.

I think the Technology industry is going to overtake the automotive industry. Not only will we not use cars but most of us won't have to work. Work will be for hobbies, and intellectual pursuits.

OK so in relation to traveling on expressways some could be restricted only to robotic vehicles that are rated to safely navigate at about 300 mph.

That being there cruising speed.

No way I would want to do something like that (sarcasm).

I think it's a great idea for the city, but in the High Desert, where I live, everything is 45 minutes to an hour away. I'll keep my cars as long as I can.

originally posted by: Bone75
Their shouldn't be cars in cities, nor many people for that matter.

Skyscrapers should be full of real robots manufacturing real things... not human robots shuffling money around.

The way we choose to live is stupid and backwards.

Without cities and the population density that goes with them, there would be even less land available for agriculture than there is now.

Nobody's taking my Jeep away - if they try, I'll lead the Revolution.