By 2030 you may not need or want one

I really can't see this as anything more than fantasy. We are talking about one of THE most important status symbols for many people in the modern world.

From kids who dream of their first wheels to those who have classic, sports and collectable cars. They will not just fade away and step aside for plugged in, computerised and automatic updated technically osbcene black box controlled rentals.

It's nonsense imo.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: 727Sky

Oh according to so many on this site and according to book series like The Expanse ... we'll support them like cattle. They'll get a universal basic income for all their lives, and if they want more, they'll take a menial job for a period of time and hold it down to prove they are worth the effort of educating and getting a real job with real responsibility.

If robots become self-replicating and self-repairing will there be any jobs left with real responsibilities?

I think this Ted talk makes a good argument why having large populations of people are valuable:

www.ted.com...

At the end of the video he makes a case that "culture" is a commodity worth investing in because it makes living fun.

We are Jeepers here at home.

Aside from the obstacles, challenges, scenery, camaraderie, working together out in the garage, the feeling of being able to go anywhere, abundant beautiful nature, jeep waves and heads turning, jeep shows, car crushes etc..

..there's the love and freedom of driving hands on - and that won't change.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

If robots become self-replicating and self-repairing will there be any jobs left with real responsibilities?

The design, administration, control, sale etc of robots will always need hoomans. Also, someone has to supply all the "bits" to feed the machines.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Electric cars are going to have to increase drastically in range for this to ever be practical.

We drive everywhere, and I do mean everywhere. Between husband and self, we spend no less than 4 hours in a car every day, and that's not counting small trips and driving to visit family or go on vacation.

If his corporate decided to offer a fleet as a perk ... maybe, but it would have to have a better range then ECs currently do.

And right now, visiting the family is one-tank trip round trip. Current ECs would make it a two-day, one-way trip because we'd have to recharge at least once on the way out.

Smart cars are currently available. They are like long range golf cars but can do a good top speed. They're great for elderly people who just want to drive down to the supermarket to do their shopping and back again.

theverybesttop10.com...

Something like this would be possible given we have conquered Fusion.


From 2014..

Scientists achieve nuclear fusion with giant laser

www.computerworld.com...

a reply to: stormcell

Oh, I've seen "dumb" cars. Would not want to commute in one on a highway.

Year 2025
Distracted driver law fails to pass in congress. People still allowed to eat, drink, smoke, listen to radio in vehicles they operate.

Year 2028
Congress faced with cries for lobbyists to do something about the crisis of car-related deaths in America.

Year 2029
Congress passes the "No Driver" law. No humans will be allowed behind the wheel as AI drivers are far safer. Eliminate road-rage, eliminate distracted drivers.

Year 2029
In a partnership with GM, the US government controls all movement everywhere within the country. Automated cars will provide transportation to anyone for a standard fee.

Chips, implanted in humans, will be used to identify passengers and their pre-programmed destinations. Chips will also be used to monitor billing, debit transactions and to identify passengers who cause damage to the government vehicles.

I'd probably use an AEV system if a public transit system isn't applicable for the Point A to Point B trek. That's probably where it's going to come in the most handy, as a supplemental transportation system to others.

Disclaimer: Grew up in BFE, nobody ever bothered to teach me how to drive. Moved to cities and small towns with good public transit & walkability, never had any incentive to learn how to drive a car I wasn't interested in owning because I didn't need it. So yep, I'd likely use the hell out of alternate transports, assuming it'd be reasonable in cost for the distance covered. And I really don't care what the "anti-everything bumpkins" think about that.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Year 2032: DB's head in a jar on display at local museum, $10 to ask DB's head what it was like in the 'olden days'.

a reply to: GodEmperor

originally posted by: Ghost147

originally posted by: schuyler
This is just a liberal wet dream dreamed up by city dwellers who never leave the urban landscape and want everyone to take public transportation, live in cubicle apartments, and wear transponders so the government knows where we are all at any given time. No doubt there will be a huge move to electric or the non-fossil fuel cars. That's a no-brainer. But people are not going to give up the personal freedom of a personal means of transport under their control until you pry them from their cold dead fingers.

No... it isn't. It has nothing to do with politicians at all. It doesn't take a genius to see the benefits of a fully automated system. We currently have vehicles that can travel at 200 miles per hour, and we it takes us longer to reach our destination than if we would have taken a horse carriage due

Yes, it is about politicians and their drive for power and control. If life were all about "efficiency" we'd already be beyond the situation we have today. Commuters already have the benefit of public transportation today, even though it is always ALWAYS subsidized because it NEVER pays for itself. And every time some idiot like Moonbeam Brown decides to build a high speed train system it costs billions of dollars over budget at taxpayer expense.

The reports of the death of the automobile have been greatly exaggerated. It's going to take a lot more than disgruntled commuters to kill off the automobile. When you get right down to it they'd really rather drive their Prius than share an automatic Uber where a bunch of other people have farted.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I think AAV will be more efficient and require less road infrastructure. It would also allow for cities to be greener, and personally I prefer the Jetson's future over Minority Report.

www.thenational.ae...

Maybe in the inner city, but you won't get rid of cars out in the sticks.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Ahhh, now I know why you're so funny....you've had years of experience to develop that sense of humor!

On topic, as per the course, this may be the case in large mass populated areas but rural areas not so. Even today, there are good sized cities in the US which don't even have mass transit yet.....as in busses. The time may come when the OP may be truer than not but I'd bet my bottom dollar it won't be by 2030.

About time! I hope that it happens sooner than 2030.

2030? thats almost here.
now, 2060 perhaps...and even then it would be mostly in cities and high population areas...rural areas will still have many laser hover bikes or whatever we are riding then.

I wish stasis pods were real. I wouldn't mind popping in one for a few decades to check out what society brings.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
If robots become self-replicating and self-repairing will there be any jobs left with real responsibilities?

Arts and entertainment.
Humanity will merge with our advanced ai tech, not just let them run wild, so its not like we are going to be dumb monkeys in a electronic box.
Already we are merged in a way...our smart phone, computer, etc..all our tools are pretty much on our hands now (we can put down). mixed reality glasses is now a thing, exoskeleton rigs, etc.
But yeah, dumb labor will eventually be phased out.
What will a dumb laborer worker do then?
Well, not much. create like everyone else I guess..artificial reality worlds and the like.

But what about those not creative?
....all people are creative. the fine abstract arts is just as valid in creative merit as a adam sandler movie or beer commercial. Arguably the adam sandler movie will be more in demand for mass consumption. Joe construction will do fine.

originally posted by: Bone75
Their shouldn't be cars in cities, nor many people for that matter.

Skyscrapers should be full of real robots manufacturing real things... not human robots shuffling money around.

The way we choose to live is stupid and backwards.

That's more forward thinking than you know, maybe.

With robots replacing people in giant cities of manufacturing and service, the only people that need to live there are the robot repairers and logistics supply. WIth no need to live in the city, people can move back to the country organically, and this could also help with the overpopulation problem. A NATURAL solution to it.

it's no secret cities are the cause of mass global pollution

a reply to: 727Sky

very doubtful. i'm sure there will be millions like myself that aint gonna want to wait for the ride to show up when my car is just outside. i could see it in big cities where traffic is real congested tho.