A conversation just starting in another thread between myself and KyoZero seems important. The conversation isn't directly related to the thread
it's in, so I've decided to make it it's own thread (else our text will be removed as "off topic").
It can help to answer many questions folks may have, and may open a civil line between us - allowing us to relate (not berate).
I won't paste the whole text from KyoZero - I want him to get those stars. His text is here:
Here is my response to him with his questions:
Hey! It's ok to be skeptical (I am too) - and you sound like an adult - so I would love to talk!
I have a question for you about the amount of anger with the "un-Effected". Where does it come from? If you look very closely, it doesn't appear to
come from a place that's understandable.
..But let me answer your questions first:
"How does one know whether an ME occurred versus a mass forgetting?"
There is no way yet, but there are a few clues..
1. Historically, there's never been the mass "forgetting" we see today. We aren't talking about misheard lyrics, rather iconic catch phrases,
products and geography we use or see every day.
2. All the people "forgetting" seem to forget the same exact things in the same exact way. The odds of that are very low.
3. Knowledge - not flash memory. I am 100% positive the gradient changed on gimp. I know because I've used it regularly for years. I know South
America moved because of the globe on my desk. I know the Coke logo changed because I study typography (design logos) and had just been studying the
logo before it changed - it had a tilde. I could go on qualifying, but there's no need. I know these things like I know my address - knowledge.
4. Reality residue oddness. Rodin's Thinker (one of) is outside the museum near my home. I've seen it bunches (even where my wife and I had our
first date). There are photos of people next to the statue imitating the pose - yet the statue doesn't match. There are photos of people with the
caption "Standing next to Lady Liberty" on Ellis Island - yet there's no statue behind them. There are videos of people holding up Braggs to the
camera as they read the label - yet the label doesn't say Braggs.
5. Residue flips. Tidy Cats went to Tidy Cat and ME videos were made - now it's back to Tidy Cats and documented. There are websites saying "Houston
we have a problem" is incorrect. Entire threads were made and people swore it was "Houston we've had a problem." (using the sites to back them
up). Now it's changed back and both the sites and naysayers are confirmably wrong.
6. Biblical prophecy. Christ said there would be no more "signs and wonders" after He left - but that there would be signs and wonders when He was
about to return. Reality changing qualifies as signs and wonders. It's prophesied there would be trumpets sounding in the sky - which we've seen in
the last few years (what would be interpreted as trumpets to a prophet being given the vision).
7. Corrections... Historically they're everywhere - except where "residue" comes in. Take the case of the 'hard-core star wars fan' - they
correct people today in droves - but where were they over the last 20 years? Tons of MMA Kidney Punch videos - but the kidneys aren't there anymore.
Same with JFK's car, etc.. Folks come out of the woodwork to say "It's always been a 6 seater!" - but there's no corrections going back (I've
searched). In the Time magazine photo of JFK's car, there's no correction saying "This is a replica, the original was a 6 seater." - same with the
replica in the museum and the FBI mock up.. There should be a 20 year paper-trail correcting "Luke, I am your father." - but there isn't.
Corrections only started a few years ago.
There's more to this "lack of backwards compatibility". Take the Arctic. There used to be a landmass, but not anymore. If there's never been a
solid mass - why aren't there historical shipping lanes though it? It's a shorter route (costs less) and we've had ice busing hulls for over 100
years. Would the Santa Clause story of evolved around open sea? What about Admiral Byrd, arctic dog sled races, the NatGeo expedition, and the
multi-national team that made the trek? I remember those occurring at the north pole landmass. Don't get stuck on the arctic though, the point is
8. Recent science provides plausibility. The closest thing we have to a unified theory is string theory, which requires multiple universes. Every
particle collision causes entangled pairs which have the unique ability to effect the other faster than light travels (something previously thought
impossible). We know now that time can be manipulated via speed through space-time - something also thought impossible. Quantum computing works by
doing half the calculation in "another reality". If the tangled pairs we're creating can affect reality here and in "another place" then there is
plausibility for the impossible.
"we are the enlightened ones."
1. No Effected person I know has ever said anything like this - ever..
2. Naysayers say that about us. They're creating the divide. Here's one of many examples:
3. I use the term "the Effected" because it's shorter than "Those affected by the Mandela Effect".
4. Ask yourself if you would like to be singled out for something like this - not likely. Now transpose that feeling to others - that's how we
"how do I honestly figure out if it is a case of ME versus a case of "damn I swear it was always this way?"
There may not be a tangible way yet - but there's your own awareness to lean on...
1. Do you know the difference between knowledge and memory? I know when something I know is a memory and when I know absolutely. I don't auto-assume
I know and I don't subscribe to every Effect.
2. There's a thread here where a teacher claims to of read the Berenstein books to her class daily; remembering the "alternative spelling" to be
correct. That's trusting knowledge.
3. You are the one in control of assumed validity.. Only you can say if it's memory or knowledge. I'm honest about what I know - and I assume you
would be too.
4. Each detail above moves us past the tired "faulty memory" argument. It's time to look closer.
Well, I hope that gets us started. I've wanted a civil conversation since I started posting, and had about given up.. So needless to say I'm looking
forward to engaging!
Thank you for your civility and good-natured approach.
Also: As a psychotherapist, please look deeply into the naysayer anger thing - I've never been able to get one to tell me why their angry, when I ask
it's like they short-circuit and go blank. It feels like there's more to it.