Fatima 100y coincide with expectation of Jewish Messiah...and more...Free discussion

This new thread is intended to give platform for ALL PERSPECTIVES on Fatima, Malachi prophecy of the last pope, Nostradamus (if you can fit it), Theories about Nibiru, like Mother Shipton, the Jewish expectation of Messiah in year 5777 2017 based on multiple Jewish prophecies and recently published Bible codes, the protestant expectation of a Rapture on Rosh Hashana September 2017,...

is it gonna happen this year, and WHAT is going to happen,according to your predictions?

Clock is ticking, pope is going to Fatima on May 12, 13. The world doesn't have the luxury of time if something big is gonna happen. And personally, I don't have the luxury of losing time with absurd antagonism in forums. I am here to share and to hear something valuable in exchange.

This is a Non-denominational thread (as well as forum), please respect the views of everyone, regardless of how far they are from your own!

Perhaps God's views are even farther beyond ours....



To start the discussion from Fatima, here are some hot topics:

Mgr Corrado Balducci posted the Third Secret version known as Neues Europa in Osservatore Romano in the interregnum between JPI and JPII. I will post it next. Mgr Balducci, a top exorhist, was the first Vatican prelate to speak publicly on Extraterrestrial existence, different from demonic. His interview is available on youtube translated in English.

Later in 1997, the ex-jesuit priest Malachi Martin on Coast to Coast AM after hearing the version of Neues Europa, said, No, it is not the real Third secret although it has some elements in it. The main element is missing, the real secret is much more frightening. He said, the timing would be within the next 20 years (1997-2017) and Russia and Kiev will play a major role.

As one prominent non-catholic pointed out, Steve Quayle, (whom I respect but tend to disagree with him): It doesn't matter whether Fatima is true or not, it matters the Vatican put all its weight behind it, and it is going to self-fulfill, according to him.

Neues Europa version of the Third Secret of Fatima
(there are many sources that publish it online, for clarity I provide one link without agreeing with that site on other matters www.fatima.org...)

"It was the thirteenth of October, 1917. On that day, the Holy Virgin appeared for the last time to the little visionaries, Jacinta, Francisco, and Lucy, at the end of a series of six apparitions in all. After the manifestation of the miracle of the sun at Fatima, the Mother of God revealed a special secret message to Lucy, in which She particularly stated:

"‘Don’t worry, dear child. I am the Mother of God speaking to you and begging you to proclaim in My name the following message to the entire world. In doing this, you will meet great hostility. But be steadfast in the Faith and you will overcome this hostility. Listen, and note well what I say to you: Men must become better. They must implore the remission of the sins which they have committed, and will continue to commit. You ask Me for a miraculous sign so that all may understand the words in which, through you, I address mankind. This miracle which you have just seen was the great miracle of the sun! Everyone has seen it – believers and unbelievers, country and city dwellers, scholars and journalists, laymen and priests. And now, announce this in My name:

"‘A great punishment shall come to all mankind, not today as yet, nor even tomorrow, but in the second half of the 20th Century. What I have already made known at La Salette through the children Melanie and Maximin, I repeat today before you. Mankind has not developed as God expected. Mankind has gone astray and has trampled underfoot the gifts which were given it. There is no order in anything. Even in the highest positions, it is satan who governs and decides how affairs are to be conducted. He will even know how to find his way to the highest positions in the Church. He will succeed in sowing confusion in the minds of the great scientists who invent arms, with which half of humanity can be destroyed in a few minutes. If mankind does not refrain from wrongdoing and be converted, I shall be forced to let fall My Son’s arm. If those at the top, in the world and in the Church, do not oppose these ways, it is I who shall do so, and I shall pray God My Father to visit His justice on mankind.

"‘There will also come a time of the hardest trials for the Church. Cardinals will be against Cardinals and bishops against bishops. Satan will put himself in their midst. In Rome, also, there will be big changes. What is rotten will fall, and what will fall must not be maintained. The Church will be darkened and the world plunged into confusion.

"‘God will punish men still more powerfully and harshly than He did by means of the Flood, and the great and powerful will perish just as much as the small and the weak.

"‘The greatest World War will happen in the second half of the 20th Century. Then fire and smoke will fall from the sky, and the waters of the oceans will be turned to steam, hurling their foam towards the sky; and all that is standing will be cast down. Millions and millions of men will lose their lives from one hour to the next, and those who remain living will envy those who are dead. There will be tribulation as far as the eye can see, and misery all over the earth and desolation in every country.

"‘The time is continually approaching, the abyss is growing wider, and there is no end in sight. The good will die with the wicked, the big with the small, the princes of the Church with their subjects. Satan’s henchmen will then be the only sovereigns on earth.

"‘This will be a time which neither king nor emperor, Cardinal nor bishop expects, but it will come, nevertheless, in accordance with My Father’s plan to punish and take vengeance. Later, however, when those who survive all this are still alive, God and His glory will once more be invoked, and He will once more be served as He was, not so long ago, when the world had not yet become corrupted.

"‘I call on all true imitators of My Son, Jesus Christ, all true Christians and apostles of the latter days! The time of times is coming and the end of everything, if mankind is not converted, and if this conversion does not come from above, from the leaders of the world and the leaders of the Church. But woe! Woe if this conversion does not come about, and if all remains as it is, nay, if all becomes even worse!

"‘Go, My child and proclaim this! I shall always remain by your side to help you.’"

John Paul II speaking in Fulda Germany (some sources say, before bishops, others say, befor a group of catholics)

The Holy Father was asked, "What about the Third Secret of Fatima? Should it not have already been published by 1960?"

Pope John Paul II replied: "Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves.

"On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired."

The Pope continued: "Many wish to know simply from curiosity and a taste for the sensational, but they forget that knowledge also implies responsibility. They only seek the satisfaction of their curiosity, and that is dangerous if at the same time they are not disposed to do something, and if they are convinced that it is impossible to do anything against evil."

At this point the Pope grasped a Rosary and said: "Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray, and ask for nothing more. Leave everything else to the Mother of God."

The Holy Father was then asked: "What is going to happen to the Church?"

He answered: "We must prepare ourselves to suffer great trials before long, such as will demand of us a disposition to give up even life, and a total dedication to Christ and for Christ … With your and my prayer it is possible to mitigate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it, because only thus can the Church be effectively renewed. How many times has the renewal of the Church sprung from blood! This time, too, it will not be otherwise. We must be strong and prepared, and trust in Christ and His Mother, and be very, very assiduous in praying the Rosary."

Malachi Martin in 1996 interview Coast to Coast AM

"Now as regards the mystery of Fatima it still stands.... So Russia is within the plans. Why? Err....that would take me too far afield into papal secrets. Why Russia and Kiev are involved in the final solution of this problem. But they are. They are part-and-parcel and it's really God's choice. And it is purely and simply God's choice. Like he chose the Jews. He has His own favourite solutions. I wouldn't have chosen Russians or Kiev or The East for salvation. But salvation is to come from the East."

An Interview with Malachi Martin By Anthony Gonzales
www.roman-catholic.com...
Question:
#6. Is the prophecy (by nearly 200 Saints) about the 3 Days of Darkness also a part of the Fatima secret? The Saints also talk about the "Golden Age" of the Church when China, Russia, England and India will be converted to the Faith and there will be a universal peace. Do you think these things will happen soon?
Answer:
Fr. Malachi: "Yes, the 3-Days Darkness is part of Fatima. We have no fixed dates for anything. But it cannot go on much longer."


That brings the other topic, that of celestial event that will cause the 3 days of darkness. What could possibly eclipse the sun for the entire earth and to last 3 full days? One option is large enough object between Sun and Earth. Such as the mysterious Planet X Nibiru. Another option would be artificially constructed sphere of Dyson around the planet,s omething the current level of technology does not allow us to do. Any ideas?

a reply to: 2012newstart

May be the Moon or "heavenly cube"( St John Revelation chapter 21) will cause the 3 days of darkness' . . .

a reply to: SophiaEveLee

you mean the Heavenly Jerusalem will come now? Interesting, to say the least! Not so many people have that idea, thank you!

a reply to: 2012newstart

My best guess is that the Heavenly Jerusalem or cube + MOON will appear in the high sky and cause the 3 days of darkness. . . Worldwide panic

a reply to: SophiaEveLee

Long time ago I estimated the dimensions of that cube, because yes it is a cube. It is nearly the size of the moon, smaller I think. A pretty good size satellite of Jupiter for example.

And as I said Jupiter, how about the celestial alignment that is ongoing in constellation Virgo? Any theories are welcome!

a reply to: 2012newstart

I'm really fascinated by all of this, but not very savvy so please don't get my questions the wrong way.

Mankind didn't evolve the way god expected: can one take from that he doesn't know the future? I mean it makes sense, as long as it's not too late, everything is just a possibility.
Does that also mean it could still be prevented, as long as it didn't happen?

Is the new Jerusalem/cube the thing in which the raptured people will be taken away for the time of turmoil?
Does that mean the new temple of Jerusalem will rather come than be built?

Aren't we the ones causing the rise of the sea levels and is it maybe not so much part of the punishment but more a sign that the "point of no return" is passed?

Can just praying really be the answer? What do you do to prepare? Or do you simply hope you'll be amongst the firsts to die?

Jesus is not god and his body came through Mary not he himself. She has no power to cause his arm to do anything you are being mislead.

Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”

48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Matthew 12:46-50

Time and again we are told to worship only the creator

Worship is something that is to be restricted to God alone. As the angel stressed when John fell at his feet in appreciation for the revelation he had seen and received, “Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book; worship God” (See Rev. 19:10; 22:9).

Jesus is a mediator between human and his father the creator he tells us to ask through him.

Timothy 2:3-6.

3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony borne at the proper time.

Was jesus saying HE as God should only worship himself? How could Satan offer gods creation to himself? Clearly Jesus never claimed to be god.

Matthew 4:1-11

8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”

11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him

originally posted by: 2012newstart
..how about the celestial alignment that is ongoing in constellation Virgo?

Please say more about this alignment. What planets are involved? How tight is it?

Thanks

a reply to: 2012newstart

We are in the 1st half of the 21st Century.

The prophecy you quoted, twice mentions the last half of last Century (the 20th). It has come and gone and the prophecy is proven false.

originally posted by: teapot

originally posted by: 2012newstart
..how about the celestial alignment that is ongoing in constellation Virgo?

Please say more about this alignment. What planets are involved? How tight is it?

Thanks

It's from Chapter 12," The Book of Revelation" in the New Testament Bible.

The Sign of the Woman Clothed with the Sun in 2017

…The Woman Clothed with the Sun

In Revelation 12 I believe that we are given a very important sign regarding the coming of the Lord.

12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

. . .alignment on 9/23/17, Virgo is “clothed with the sun,” the moon is now under her feet, and above her head are 3 planets—Mercury, Mars, and Venus, which are in alignment with the star Regulus in Leo. The 9 stars of Leo and the 3 aligning planets make the crown of 12 stars. Thus this alignment meets the criteria of the Rev. 12 sign . . .

. . . look at what Jupiter—the king planet—does in the months prior to this 2017 sign. On November 20th 2016 Jupiter enters the womb of Virgo. Due to retrograde motion Jupiter stays in or near the abdomen of Virgo until September 9, 2017. Thus it is in or near the abdomen of Virgo for a day short of 42 weeks after which time it is born out of the abdomen of Virgo. Note: Normal human gestation is from 37-42 weeks.

Is this what this verse is in reference to? Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Link to Article

a reply to: Peeple

Is the new Jerusalem/cube the thing in which the raptured people will be taken away for the time of turmoil? Does that mean the new temple of Jerusalem will rather come than be built?

Indeed, one should ask himself that question, where exactly the raptured people will be taken. Sure not on clouds. It is wrong to assume that the Catholic Church doctrine doesn't have thing like rapture. Only, it is called Ascension at the last day the judgment day.

The idea of the Heavenly Jerusalem hovering above Earth during whatever tribulation/cleansing happens here, although new for me, seems quite logical.

Yes, there is such a view among the Jewish scholars that the Third Temple will not be built rather will descend from heaven. Both views are present, as far as I know. Sure I am not all-knowing specialist.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

thank you! We are now within those 9 months...And who is/are the manchild? Or is he 144,000 together?

a reply to: chr0naut

exactly. That was the cause of the big delusion of pope John Paul II and cardinal Ratzinger (later pope Benedict) when they thought the secret was over, and posted the "official version" in year 2000....

originally posted by: teapot

originally posted by: 2012newstart
..how about the celestial alignment that is ongoing in constellation Virgo?

Please say more about this alignment. What planets are involved? How tight is it?

Thanks

They are referring to Revelation 12:1 and interpreting it as referring to astronomical alignments. Of course, if you read further in Revelation, it becomes apparent that this isn't about star alignments but is an outline of the conflict between Israel (the woman) and Satan (the dragon).

Aside from that, the alignment of the constellation Virgo with the Sun is supposed to be the 'significant' thing.

In asstrology, there are 12 signs which represent approximately the 12 monthly divisions of the (solar) year. I.e: in each month, the Sun is in the 'house' of the astrological constellation. This means there is a conjunction (more or less) for each sign (or constellation) between itself and the Sun, each year.

The actual alignment of the constellation is not perfect (the Sun can't cover the constellation which stretches across nearly 1/4 of the sky). The Virgo constellation is the largest of all constellations and covers 1,294 square degrees when viewed from the Earth. In comparison, the Sun viewed from Earth subtends a mere 31 to 32 square degrees. So, from an actual astronomical stand point, Virgo cannot be "clothed in the Sun".

About the heavenly Jerusalem described in the Revelation with its dimensions, here are some depictions that I think will be intertesting for the readers.

And...let not forget it was only a vision of John. It is not found in the words of Jesus himself said in the Gospels.

If we refer to the prophets, Ezekiel's last several chapters are dedicated solely to the description of the New Jerusalem on the place of today's Israel. Apparently he lacks wording. The important thing, those chapters follow immediately the notorious ch.38-39 war of Gog and Magog. (and it is being awaited by the Jewish scholars, with some of them even saying it was already accomplished, either symbolically or as WW2).

New Jerusalem
projected on Middle East
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Jerusalem to Rome
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projected on USA
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On earth's sphere www.buckcash.com...
compared to the moon garyosborn.moonfruit.com...

Notice the planetary curvature, if we assume the cube will touch the surface at today's Jerusalem, its corners will hover some 15 miles above the surface.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: chr0naut

exactly. That was the cause of the big delusion of pope John Paul II and cardinal Ratzinger (later pope Benedict) when they thought the secret was over, and posted the "official version" in year 2000....

Are you suggesting that the prophecy was delivered incorrectly so that the leadership of the Roman Catholic church would be decieved?

If that is the case, what evidence do you have that your time-line is correct?

I would have thought that prophecy is not approximate. Something like "something really bad will happen to some people at some time" is hardly prophetic. It is the specificity of a prophecy that gives it any relevance beyond a wild guess,