Fatima 100y coincide with expectation of Jewish Messiah...and more...Free discussion

a reply to: chr0naut

First of all, we still don't know the exact text of the so called 3rd secret.
The Neues Europa version is not the exact text, but close enough. SO said cardinal Ottaviani, then prefect of CDF (whatever the name, the former inquisition). Malachi Martin also said, Neues Europa is not the real text, the real one is much more frightening, although some elements are present in N.E.

That being said, I could speculate no worse than anyone else. Let say, the original text does not include a numerical year, such as 1999 or 2017, rather says: after/inside one century. Which century? Obviously, it wasn't the one started on 1.1.1900/(1901). Perhaps, it was the one started with the apparitions themselves. Therefore the expectations of many of fulfillment around its 100th anniversary. Among those people are: pope Benedict (although he changed views), top exorhist Gabrielle Amorth (expected the secret last year), and Malachi Martin )who set 20 year timespan in his interview 1997).

To top it all, we have the prediction of 100 years reign of Satan, given by pope Leo XIII. Again it was not said when those years started (he lived before Fatima).

So...your guess is as good as mine. The more we brainstorm it, with strange ideas, the bigger the chance to get the truth.

Another clue is: what is the determining EVENT that we still don't know, according to martin? If it was WW3 well it is clearly said in Neues Europa. If it was antichrist in Vatican, it is said satan sitting between cardinals. Both do not constitute the defining EVENT that we do not know.

How about the arrival of Nibiru? Or something else. Above was assumed 3 days of darkness to be caused by the space city Jerusalem. That idea is worth of pondering upon. It is something new for me and I didn't have time to reflect on it. Although I expected angelic fleet of spaceships for the rapture. And also Dyson sphere to be made by angels/ET for the 3 days of darkness to spare humanity for 3 days more from the ravaging flames of the sun. But those are just ideas.

And here is another idea:

How about a New Earth that has been discovered in dozen, is announced to be really hospitable to humans? And a spaceship (is it Jerusalem), or a Stargate is being disclosed to exist? Humanity hgets a chance to move to the New Eaerth and to avoid the solar explosion (shown in Fatima sun miracle).

Movies abundantly show such scenarios. Star Wars not being the best one but the most popular one touching upon the minds and hearts of the young ones. Stargate is much more "science" than "fiction" (there are tremendous non-scientific things in Star Wars...google it). Insiders speak of stargates to really exist. So we may consider such a long long serial to be actual announcement of the true state of things. And when tomorrow we are told, you know what, CERN and Brookhaven NY were built to be stargates to go to the New earth? Just speculation, a logical one though. Indeed to transport billions, you will need something more than a couple of spaceships. Unless you count on millions of them, available to other space races. But then you hit the question, are they good or bad, will they eat us on the new planet...that is stupid, providing they could've killed us many times over. So, from the point of view of mass psychology, may be it is more secure to open several stargates and the people to walk in/drive thru/special trains to the new planet.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: chr0naut

First of all, we still don't know the exact text of the so called 3rd secret.
The Neues Europa version is not the exact text, but close enough. SO said cardinal Ottaviani, then prefect of CDF (whatever the name, the former inquisition). Malachi Martin also said, Neues Europa is not the real text, the real one is much more frightening, although some elements are present in N.E.

That being said, I could speculate no worse than anyone else. Let say, the original text does not include a numerical year, such as 1999 or 2017, rather says: after/inside one century. Which century? Obviously, it wasn't the one started on 1.1.1900/(1901). Perhaps, it was the one started with the apparitions themselves. Therefore the expectations of many of fulfillment around its 100th anniversary. Among those people are: pope Benedict (although he changed views), top exorhist Gabrielle Amorth (expected the secret last year), and Malachi Martin )who set 20 year timespan in his interview 1997).

To top it all, we have the prediction of 100 years reign of Satan, given by pope Leo XIII. Again it was not said when those years started (he lived before Fatima).

So...your guess is as good as mine. The more we brainstorm it, with strange ideas, the bigger the chance to get the truth.

Another clue is: what is the determining EVENT that we still don't know, according to martin? If it was WW3 well it is clearly said in Neues Europa. If it was antichrist in Vatican, it is said satan sitting between cardinals. Both do not constitute the defining EVENT that we do not know.

How about the arrival of Nibiru? Or something else. Above was assumed 3 days of darkness to be caused by the space city Jerusalem. That idea is worth of pondering upon. It is something new for me and I didn't have time to reflect on it. Although I expected angelic fleet of spaceships for the rapture. And also Dyson sphere to be made by angels/ET for the 3 days of darkness to spare humanity for 3 days more from the ravaging flames of the sun. But those are just ideas.

The point is that speculation does NOT increase our chance that we will "get the truth". The field of possibilities remains almost infinite against our few speculations.

As to Nibiru - a fiction invented by Sitchin. The word Nibiru does not even exist in the known Sumerian language.

A Dyson sphere is a construction, speculated upon by Freeman Dyson, that an advanced civilization could attempt to capture the entire energy of their local star by enclosing it in a sphere and living on the inside of the sphere. Dyson Spheres aren't spaceships, they remain statically wrapping their star. Also, the material required to build a Dyson Sphere would consume all star's the orbiting planets. So a Dyson Sphere could have nothing at all to do with three days of darkness but rather with capturing solar energy.

The New Jerusalem is described as having four sides to its base and being as high as the length of one of the sides. It isn't described as being round. The most likely geometric shapes are a cube or a square based pyramid, but it could also be a collection of towers or some other complex shape.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
And here is another idea:

How about a New Earth that has been discovered in dozen, is announced to be really hospitable to humans? And a spaceship (is it Jerusalem), or a Stargate is being disclosed to exist? Humanity hgets a chance to move to the New Eaerth and to avoid the solar explosion (shown in Fatima sun miracle).

Movies abundantly show such scenarios. Star Wars not being the best one but the most popular one touching upon the minds and hearts of the young ones. Stargate is much more "science" than "fiction" (there are tremendous non-scientific things in Star Wars...google it). Insiders speak of stargates to really exist. So we may consider such a long long serial to be actual announcement of the true state of things. And when tomorrow we are told, you know what, CERN and Brookhaven NY were built to be stargates to go to the New earth? Just speculation, a logical one though. Indeed to transport billions, you will need something more than a couple of spaceships. Unless you count on millions of them, available to other space races. But then you hit the question, are they good or bad, will they eat us on the new planet...that is stupid, providing they could've killed us many times over. So, from the point of view of mass psychology, may be it is more secure to open several stargates and the people to walk in/drive thru/special trains to the new planet.

CERN and Brookhaven are both atom smashers. They bang bits of matter together to see how they break. No portals involved.

Perhaps we could speculate that the windscreen wipers on cars are really magic wands and when enough cars are built, and it rains a lot, they will all magic away the bad things (like the pollution that the manufacture of billions of cars will cause) with a swish-swish and there will be magic rainbows and flying unicorns?

See how wonderfully utilitarian speculation is!

a reply to: chr0naut

As to Nibiru - a fiction invented by Sitchin. The word Nibiru does not even exist in the known Sumerian language.

Perhaps the Sumerian civilization didn't exist as well

CERN and Brookhaven are both atom smashers. They bang bits of matter together to see how they break. No portals involved.

But they wrote it in an article, on one April 1st...every joke has some dose truth in it. Does anyone seriously believe they will tell us the real purpose to build those multi-billion operated biggest machines created ever, bigger and more expensive than spaceship Apollo? Only to smash atoms and to write dissertations of the next generation improvable and unseen Bozons? Who pays that? And pays for WHAT?

But of course you will deny all that and more. So why to pour more for you. You have your opinion and it is perfectly fit for you. If I answer it is for the sake of the readers.

originally posted by: chr0naut
Are you suggesting that the prophecy was delivered incorrectly so that the leadership of the Roman Catholic church would be decieved?

If that is the case, what evidence do you have that your time-line is correct?

I would have thought that prophecy is not approximate. Something like "something really bad will happen to some people at some time" is hardly prophetic. It is the specificity of a prophecy that gives it any relevance beyond a wild guess,

wattsupwiththat.com...

Same Sequence from 1917 with the earth's sun, that we see reported to day in 2017 (Circled in Red) ... 12/21/2012 of the Mayan Calendar = 11.2 Year Solar Cycle ... (1951 Edward Leedskalnin dies, then 1968 Nguyen Van Lem also dies) ... 1968 death of Nguyen Van Lem is dead center between the two red circles, the distance of the peak from the top of the arc, matches the design of the mayan calendar ... Three Resurrections of the Antichrist, 1968 to 2017 is 49 Years from the 62nd week to 69th of Daniel 9, before the last 7 years in which the Antichrist Confirms the Covenant with all Nations (70th Week of Daniel = 70 + 7 Years of Matthew 18:22) (Daniel 9:2, 70 years for 70 weeks, and a week to confirm the covenant = 70 + 7 years), following the prophecy of Isaiah's Prince of Peace.
(Of Three Resurrections for one Son of Man, for each of the Testaments, God ordains the death to rebuke sin, because this is unique, the death is also a marker in the intelligent design of what we are observing)

The Gregorian calendar is internationally the most widely used civil calendar. It is named after Pope Gregory XIII, who introduced it in October 1582 .............. His proposal included reducing the number of leap years in four centuries from 100 to 97, by making 3 out of 4 centurial years common instead of leap years. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_XIII

(14 Dynasties, from Atlantis, to Egypt to Babylon, then following the USA Presidencies to the Present)

May to October = Pope Gregory XIII 1572 (1566 Nostradamus is Dead)
May to October = 104th Pope of Saint Malachy in 1917 (1912 - 1917 Edward Leedskalnin divorces the Nazi Party and comes to USA)

Following the Rule of 14 Dynasties, the Pope predicts, that from the 104th Pope, there would be 100 years to the events of revelation, that is from 1917 to 2017, we observe Fatima twice, we have evidence the second time in 1917 was the result of an intelligent design, that can be traced further back into history (400 Year Intervals, following the Earth's Magnet Fields as we've discussed, we see 400 Year interval also present in this example):


holygrailresources.blogspot.com...

The Yellow Arrows on the Top, shows the association between the Prophecy of Fatima (May to October), and the Blood Red Moon Tetrad, as an intelligent design, that has originated around 2000 B.C. to the Present, when God is prepared to disturb the Constellation's Belt.

(When God originally disturbed the Constellation's Belt, the Earth had two moons that included the planet mars (and Nibiru threw a few planets out of order, it threw jupiter out of order also)

So From:

1. 33000 B.C. to 10000 B.C. Earth had Two Moons, and Jupiter Was a Lot Further from Earth (Constellation's Belt was Completed)
2. 2000 B.C. to 2000 A.D. God begins to disturb the Constellation's Belt (Fatima Prophecy Begins Officially)
3. 2000 B.C. to Tetrad Alignment of 2015 (Fatima Prophecy Parallels the original disturbance in the Constellation's Belt)
4. Tetrad Alignment to 33 Days of Constellation Leo to Virgo (God Completes the Action of Disturbing the Constellation's Belt, over a lesser length of time, disclosed in the Fatima Prophecy)

(6 Months of Activity to begin Disturbance, then 33 Days to Complete the Disturbance ... ... ... ... this is a parallel to what happened thousands of years earlier over a much longer period of time)

In early September 2007, archbishop Loris Francesco Capovilla, private secretary to Pope John XXIII, who witnessed Pope John open the envelope of the third secret, said there was no truth in the rumor that the Vatican was suppressing a vision of the end of the world. "There are not two truths from Fatima and nor is there any fourth secret. The text which I read in 1959 is the same that was distributed by the Vatican." Capovilla is also quoted as saying, "I have had enough of these conspiracy theories. It just isn't true. I read it, I presented it to the Pope and we resealed the envelope." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Secrets_of_F%C3%A1tima

God spoke only once. When God spoke to give the prophecy is important. If God spoke in September to give the prophecy of Fatima. Then God has declared the correction of 33 Days. From 8/21 to 9/23. Matching a series of informations. (Evidence that God is no longer using the Catholic Church specifically begins with the Apostle Peter being crucified upside down, God established the church "the rock", with Peter, until he was raped and killed, INRI, God will resolve INRI with the antichrist soon).

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: chr0naut

As to Nibiru - a fiction invented by Sitchin. The word Nibiru does not even exist in the known Sumerian language.

Perhaps the Sumerian civilization didn't exist as well

The Electronic Text Corpus of the Sumerian Language at Oxford University. Everything we have of the Sumerian Language, fully search-able, but with no mention of Nibiru.

CERN and Brookhaven are both atom smashers. They bang bits of matter together to see how they break. No portals involved.

But they wrote it in an article, on one April 1st...every joke has some dose truth in it. Does anyone seriously believe they will tell us the real purpose to build those multi-billion operated biggest machines created ever, bigger and more expensive than spaceship Apollo? Only to smash atoms and to write dissertations of the next generation improvable and unseen Bozons? Who pays that? And pays for WHAT?

They are called Bosons and CERN does far more than just look for Bosons. CERN is the biggest, and most open, physics laboratory in the world.

CERN is funded by 22 member states (there were fewer in the past).

And for what? For scientific progress.

You must remember that the Internet was fundamentally invented at CERN by Tim Berners-Lee. Would that be enough of a financial incentive, perhaps, for countries to put up some funds for scientific research?

But of course you will deny all that and more. So why to pour more for you. You have your opinion and it is perfectly fit for you. If I answer it is for the sake of the readers.

It isn't only my opinion (about atom smashers) and it is based upon a fairly deep knowledge of physics. If you smash together microscopically tiny bits of matter (protons of hydrogen gas), it doesn't open portals to alternate spaces.

originally posted by: tbchugs

originally posted by: chr0naut
Are you suggesting that the prophecy was delivered incorrectly so that the leadership of the Roman Catholic church would be decieved?

If that is the case, what evidence do you have that your time-line is correct?

I would have thought that prophecy is not approximate. Something like "something really bad will happen to some people at some time" is hardly prophetic. It is the specificity of a prophecy that gives it any relevance beyond a wild guess,

wattsupwiththat.com...

Same Sequence from 1917 with the earth's sun, that we see reported to day in 2017 (Circled in Red) ... 12/21/2012 of the Mayan Calendar = 11.2 Year Solar Cycle ... (1951 Edward Leedskalnin dies, then 1968 Nguyen Van Lem also dies) ... 1968 death of Nguyen Van Lem is dead center between the two red circles, the distance of the peak from the top of the arc, matches the design of the mayan calendar ... Three Resurrections of the Antichrist, 1968 to 2017 is 49 Years from the 62nd week to 69th of Daniel 9, before the last 7 years in which the Antichrist Confirms the Covenant with all Nations (70th Week of Daniel = 70 + 7 Years of Matthew 18:22) (Daniel 9:2, 70 years for 70 weeks, and a week to confirm the covenant = 70 + 7 years), following the prophecy of Isaiah's Prince of Peace.
(Of Three Resurrections for one Son of Man, for each of the Testaments, God ordains the death to rebuke sin, because this is unique, the death is also a marker in the intelligent design of what we are observing)

Solar activity follows fairly rigid cycles. There's the Wolf cycle, the 11 year Solar cycle, the 210 year Seuss cycle, the 2,300 year Hallstatt cycle and the 6,000 year cycle. Since the Maunder minimum (1645 to 1715) there hasn't really been that much divergence from the median. The sunspot cycle mentioned in the infographic above, of course looks like all the other hundreds of solar cycles - there is nothing remarkable or 'prophetic' about them, especially in the year range shown (also, note that the source of the Vukcevic formula was from CERN, check the URL).

The Mayan long count calendar displayed in the infographic divides the year up into five periods separated by four divisors. Its long count repetitions around the disk, also have exactly the same period divisions and so it doesn't relate at all to the solar cycles. It's just a red herring that the creator of the infographic added because they couldn't read the Mayan calendar. And because... woo, woo!

The Gregorian calendar is internationally the most widely used civil calendar. It is named after Pope Gregory XIII, who introduced it in October 1582 .............. His proposal included reducing the number of leap years in four centuries from 100 to 97, by making 3 out of 4 centurial years common instead of leap years. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_XIII

(14 Dynasties, from Atlantis, to Egypt to Babylon, then following the USA Presidencies to the Present)

Where do you get 14 dynasties from?

Egypt probably existed prior to the Atlantean dynasties (if Atlantis existed at all).

Egyptian history records 31 Pharonic dynasties up until Cleopatra.

The first Babylonian dynasty arose and disappeared in 299 years. The Neo Babylonian Dynasty (the Chaldean dynasty mentioned in the Bible) lasted only 70 years. There was no third dynasty.

Your timeline does not match with history - it's BS.

May to October = Pope Gregory XIII 1572 (1566 Nostradamus is Dead)
May to October = 104th Pope of Saint Malachy in 1917 (1912 - 1917 Edward Leedskalnin divorces the Nazi Party and comes to USA)

Following the Rule of 14 Dynasties,

There is no such rule.

the Pope predicts, that from the 104th Pope, there would be 100 years to the events of revelation, that is from 1917 to 2017, we observe Fatima twice, we have evidence the second time in 1917 was the result of an intelligent design, that can be traced further back into history (400 Year Intervals, following the Earth's Magnet Fields as we've discussed, we see 400 Year interval also present in this example):

See, the conjunction between the Sun and Virgo is off. Hardly a woman clothed with the Sun. The conjunction between the Sun and the 'house' of the constellation Virgo happens annually.

holygrailresources.blogspot.com...

The Yellow Arrows on the Top, shows the association between the Prophecy of Fatima (May to October), and the Blood Red Moon Tetrad, as an intelligent design, that has originated around 2000 B.C. to the Present, when God is prepared to disturb the Constellation's Belt.

All these things are unrelated. The yellow arrows don't show any such thing/s.

(When God originally disturbed the Constellation's Belt, the Earth had two moons that included the planet mars (and Nibiru threw a few planets out of order, it threw jupiter out of order also)

Piffle!

So From:

1. 33000 B.C. to 10000 B.C. Earth had Two Moons, and Jupiter Was a Lot Further from Earth (Constellation's Belt was Completed)
2. 2000 B.C. to 2000 A.D. God begins to disturb the Constellation's Belt (Fatima Prophecy Begins Officially)
3. 2000 B.C. to Tetrad Alignment of 2015 (Fatima Prophecy Parallels the original disturbance in the Constellation's Belt)
4. Tetrad Alignment to 33 Days of Constellation Leo to Virgo (God Completes the Action of Disturbing the Constellation's Belt, over a lesser length of time, disclosed in the Fatima Prophecy)

(6 Months of Activity to begin Disturbance, then 33 Days to Complete the Disturbance ... ... ... ... this is a parallel to what happened thousands of years earlier over a much longer period of time)

In early September 2007, archbishop Loris Francesco Capovilla, private secretary to Pope John XXIII, who witnessed Pope John open the envelope of the third secret, said there was no truth in the rumor that the Vatican was suppressing a vision of the end of the world. "There are not two truths from Fatima and nor is there any fourth secret. The text which I read in 1959 is the same that was distributed by the Vatican." Capovilla is also quoted as saying, "I have had enough of these conspiracy theories. It just isn't true. I read it, I presented it to the Pope and we resealed the envelope." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Secrets_of_F%C3%A1tima

God spoke only once. When God spoke to give the prophecy is important. If God spoke in September to give the prophecy of Fatima. Then God has declared the correction of 33 Days. From 8/21 to 9/23. Matching a series of informations. (Evidence that God is no longer using the Catholic Church specifically begins with the Apostle Peter being crucified upside down, God established the church "the rock", with Peter, until he was raped and killed, INRI, God will resolve INRI with the antichrist soon).

This is just so much guff, the slightest fact checking pulls it all down.

a reply to: chr0naut

Facts?
We don't need no facts.

*footnote

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

thank you! We are now within those 9 months...And who is/are the manchild? Or is he 144,000 together?

Jupiter represents a ruling male personage, like a king of mankind, or a king of the gods, a top end, "the buck stops here" type ruler. This is interpreted in Christian circles as the return of Christ or the emergence of the great anti-Christ (AKA the beast of biblical prophecy).

As for the 144,000, I'm not too sure myself. The Jehovah's Witness' believe that number is from their members, others say it is the End Times Jewish converts to Christianity, and there are many other ideas on that one. Many believe in a "rapture" scenario where the Christian believer's are taken up into heaven while the world suffers through tribulation. Christ's return would signal all that is about to happen.

The 20th century is over and we are now in the 21st century. The Fatima prophecy is obviously false. Nor can you say calamity was avoided because mankind turned to God and repented it's sins, because it hasn't.

The last great prophets lived during Jesus' time. I don't trust any modern day ones because this is the only thing that ever happens.

a reply to: peskyhumans

Yes, and I will repeat, that was believed to be fulfilled prophecy by both St John Paul II and cardinal ratzinger, when they decided to release partial other vision of Lucia in year 2000 (the topic is too long and I| don't have time to explain, everyone could search that in archives like Fatima.org why the 2000 release cannot be the 3rd secret). They believed and they were wrong. Later, as pope Benedict, Ratzinger said in Fatima that the prophecy is not fulfilled yet but will be likely by the hundred anniversary. 2017.

I think I cannot be more clear about that, for any poster or reader who would ask it again.
And, we do not know the exact text of 3rd secret. What I posted is a leaked version in Neues Europa German Magazine, close enough but NOT IDENTICAL. Apparently, it was wrong. So yes I agree Neues Europa text was wrong in dating. Having in mind it was a leaked release in 70s to appease the catholic public unrest after 1960 when the secret should be made public according to Lucia's words of what heaven demanded. The feeling of betrayal among faithful catholics was strong. Let not forget it was during the height of the cold war and expectations of "annihilation" by the means of nuclear weapons to be everyday reality (according to the well know words of the Second secret which use the word "various nations will be annihilated"), especially for those who cared, i.e. the most devote members of the Catholic church who prayed. Vatican should offer some excuse. Therefore the leaked Neues Europa (that is my interpretation) that was supported by chief of doctrinal office cardinal Ottaviani. It was reprinted by the Vatican official newspaper Osservatore Romano in the interregnum between John Paul I and John Paul II. That alone signifies what weight the Vatican put behind Neues Europa.

"Close enough" (Ottaviani) doer not mean identical (Martin). I already mentioned Martin. He has several interviews that are a must read/listen for everyone who cares of Fatima.

With that being said, not for a first time, I think to conclude answering that type of questions any further.

And I am glad that some posters take initiative also to answer questions of other posters. Thanks to the poster who explained of the planetary alignment later this year!

Let also say that pope Francis initially intended to visit Fatima on October 13, 2017. Later the visit was shifted to May 13 next month. What stands between May and October that the pope wants to outrun? Moreover, he already was in fatima some years ago, and was consecrated by the bishops of Portugal as Fatima pope.

Now a miracle was attributed to Francisco the little seer who died, that clears the way to his cannonization. perhaps it will be done on May 13. Both Francisco and Jacinta are already beatified (the first stage to canonization).

The weight put by Vatican on Fatima is bigger than any other contemporary apparition or claim of such, even those of already canonized saints such as St Padre Pio with undisputed hundreds of miracles and other mystical phenomena. Still Padre Pio's own visions are not given the same weight as it is of Fatima. Still it is not clear whether he wrote the words attributed to him for the 3 days of darkness, or they are just attributed to him post factum. I say that, to outline that even such a great saint that Padre Pio is, is not taken as equal to the Fatima revelations of Our Lady, whatever they might contain in the secret.

Pretty much all world religions are expecting such a figure to emerge.

In my honest opinion; all children just born each and every single day are just such figures, every single one of them... not a stain in the world on them until the world goes to work. Placing our faces and concepts on them from freedom right into bondage... instead of guiding them and their light; controlling them and their light until it snuffed out shining through the lenses the world wants them to see through.

Thousands and thousands of years of this, each one born having a duty to keep such a light get back to or keep their original face before even their father was born. That is the natural purity of who someone is, re-establish where they were going... as that is why there were born here to begin with but expectation and everything else? Covers their purpose up; giving other ones instead of guiding them safely and helpfully in the matter.

Not all cover childrens lights up many guide them the best they can towards who they already are from childhood to adulthood... the natural pull towards the things they like and enjoy; those things typically become lifelong pursuits... best to foster those to help society grow and move forward. Than stagnate to build the same sort of hive over and over and over again.

I guess there is a wild card in fatima prophecy, perhaps connected to Russia, and the unknown event that nobody tells us.

Let resume: that event is

1. NOT WW3 (because Neues Europe talks of WW3 and Martin said it doesn't contain the core element of the secret).

2. That event is connected to Russia (Martin, and John Paul II in Fulda, see the first posts).

3. That event will shake the belief of many (too many comments on that, I cannot say one name, Martin speaks of it too). To the extend many to see in it the rising of the antichrist, although not true.

My suggestion is that event is connected to, or made by Extra-terrestrial presence/visit on erarth. May be in Russia. May be in more places (Israel most likely, or Rome...) Medvedev openly said ET persons reside on Russian territory. The joking end of the interview doesn't make the statements of the former president and current PM of Russia null and void. He SAID IT, TWICE, this is his Second interview on the topic to confirm the first one when he stirred controversy (although he says I tell you first and last time)



To the extend one respected by me poster who withdrew from active posting, Phantom of fire, but I believe he reads still, to make his own prophecies of Medvedev being the antichrist and so on...I'm saying that to point out what big impact will have the Fatima release on the faith of the simple believers. If it is what I suppose to be. Because the revelation that some cardinals might serve Satan, actually is nothing new from history and today. Yes some are evil, as everywhere. But the revelation God chooses angels who are ET to act in world history, that might be beyond the capacity of many honest but not educated believers in the billion wide flock...

Until when the frame of waiting is allowed? Obviously until just before the predicted EVENT that we do not know it. One option is to be Nibiru/asteroid/ mega solar flare. The fire from heaven said in Neues Europa is said also in Akita, another approved apparition in Japan. Was it Ratzinger who said, the message of Fatima is identical with the message of Akita. SO we have fire coming from the sky to earth. Is it nuclear, or is it solar, or both, we don't know. So that is the deadline where any awaiting for the conscience and education of the masses will cease. We will wake up one day with the news on our mobile phones and most likely, in the sky.

I know that interpretation will be rejected by the "fatimists" who have rather conservative approach and didn't change update their worldview since the time of the cold war. Or in religious way, since before Vatican II council. I cannot help them whatsoever. They read and they know of that interpretation. Still they prefer to call all ET-UFO "the great deception".

Even if we assume SOME ET are evil and will play the role for the antichrist's established reign, even though we would be not dualists but monopolar giving credits for everything to satan not to God. Revelation is clear, 2/3 of all stars follow God and archangel Michael. 1/3 are not few, with the thousands of trillions discovered stars. But to assume all of them are evil, is not correct towards the omnipotent and good God who created everything. Still, the fear of error, is too big among the catholics and others, who prefer to err in that way but not to....not to be saved by extraterrestrials. Doing so, they will be voluntarily left behinders, and will face those whom they wanted to avoid: the evil aliens who will aid the antichrist (if the time is ripe for him) or otherwise the evil punishments that are allotted to the evil people.

I hope the Vatican in the last moment will say the truth, that there are good ET who are angels and who serve God, particularly to save us from Nibiru-Solar mega flare, or whatever other cataclysm is on our way. But also it is possible in the critical moment bishops and false apparitions will start speaking how one should give up his life for God by waiting the punishment to burn the planet, that only the soul matters, that they will be martyrs, and so on. Few fanatics if any will be saved physically.

Indeed, one cannot build up new/original christianity with people who find their pleasure in rules and restrictions, and punishments (spiritual now). Where is God of Love, where is the service of Love to the neighbor? The Sunday checks that only a portion of them goes to the hungry in Asia? Is that all of the Gospel of Love that Jesus preached? How many times and how many people in your local church invited you for a coffee, or did you invite any? Let alone to help you in life difficulties, as the first Christians helped to the extend to sell out property and give , not to the Africans they don't know, but to the neighbors God appointed them to live with. To educate a kid in the same church community. Nothing of that is seen today in the catholic parishes. Instead, catholic schools are know to be good but more expensive than the secular elite schools...Jesus didn't preach that. Why should then I believe the rest of the story, if the biggest thing Jesus preached, that is the Love, is so demonstratively not followed in developed countries' churches, with few exceptions?

Having that in mind, I'd rather choose option in the coming worldwide free will choice, regarding the future ways of humanity and personal ways, option that will guarantee mine and that of my loved ones well being beyond earth that is going to be purged by fire. Not choosing to stay, and hoping that God "will fix the world in a blink of an eye when the three days of darkness end". That is absurd! Ezekiel speaks of years recovery after Gog and Magog.

originally posted by: chr0naut
Solar activity follows fairly rigid cycles. There's the Wolf cycle, the 11 year Solar cycle, the 210 year Seuss cycle, the 2,300 year Hallstatt cycle and the 6,000 year cycle. Since the Maunder minimum (1645 to 1715) there hasn't really been that much divergence from the median. The sunspot cycle mentioned in the infographic above, of course looks like all the other hundreds of solar cycles - there is nothing remarkable or 'prophetic' about them, especially in the year range shown (also, note that the source of the Vukcevic formula was from CERN, check the URL).

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Blood Moon Tetrad, parallels, the Fatima Prohpecy, which began around 2000 B.C. (4000 Years Ago), when God originally began to disturb the constellation's Belt. Planet Earth Originally had Two Moons, and Jupiter was a lot further away. Mars Moves Closer to Earth and Jupiter Moves Further Away. (9/11/2001 Falling Man + 16 Years = 9/23/2017 (Unarius) ... 33 Days from Constellation Leo to Constellation Virgo, or to the End of the Mayan Calendar's Solar Cycle Observance of 11.2 Years)
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The Mayan long count calendar displayed in the infographic divides the year up into five periods separated by four divisors. Its long count repetitions around the disk, also have exactly the same period divisions and so it doesn't relate at all to the solar cycles. It's just a red herring that the creator of the infographic added because they couldn't read the Mayan calendar. And because... woo, woo!
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Fatima Prophecy 1917 of September = God Spoke, Following our Previous Solar Example, 100 Years late in September of 2017
Kukulkan Pyramid's Shadow of the Snake Dances in September = Mayan Creation Date (8/11/3113), 8/21/2017 + 33 Days = 9/23/2017
(Around 33,000 B.C. God disturbed the Constellation's Belt ... then for 33 Days God will Disturb the Constellation's Belt, that is the general conclusion, God is not going to do much, right now, you do not have a legal right to anything beyond the 33 Day Period, until that is invalidated or comes to fruition, after that is invalidated, you can either kill the Antichrist, (don't care), or remain blind until God kills billions when 70 years expires ... INRI ... we'll continue to see what is necessary, as the suffering, pain and death continues to happen at your hands with the Antichrist)
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See, the conjunction between the Sun and Virgo is off. Hardly a woman clothed with the Sun. The conjunction between the Sun and the 'house' of the constellation Virgo happens annually.
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Constellation Leo along the Constellation's Belt is Circled ... ... ... ... (Planet Mars Moves Closer to the Earth's Sun) ... ... ... ... (Planet Jupiter Moves Further Away from the Earth's Sun) ............. Only Two Bodies are in alignment with the Sun Symbol, outside of that, only the Planet Earth's and its Moon is alignmend.

(Euthanasia, based on INRI, God can take away your legal right to a disturbance with the Earth's Sun, in favor of Constellation Leo, that removes your right to kill Asia to resolve the murder/suicide of Nguyen Van Lem the first resurrection. Then, we'll see for 33 Days, if you follow through with murder/suicide of the Antichrist or remain dumb and blind, until God decides to either end your lives, or empower the Antichrist to provide assisted suicide to promote the gospel's goal. Fortunately we already have two public safety message up to help keep the ethnic problem tamed, that will have to do for now) Love and Blessings (Nightly Walk tonight to help keep these people tamed, I'll be out a little earlier, based on the level of lethal force used against me, we will do this a few more times later in the night, so you need to convince me this is necessary)

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Enki's journey to Nibru

a reply to: SophiaEveLee

Nibru (not Nibiru) was a city.

a reply to: Phage

Nibru or Nibiru is a "temple aka city" floating in the sky/air

a reply to: SophiaEveLee

False. Nibru was a city.
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originally posted by: SophiaEveLee
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Enki's journey to Nibru

Nibiru and Nibru are different words, especially in Sumerian.

Nibru is the Sumeraian name for the city we call Nippur (the other meaning of the word nibru is eunuch) , here's a Wikipedia link for you to check.