Unwanted or needed EU immigrants, kick them out

I have lots of EU national friends, lovely people who fill the gap in employment and contribute to my society here in the UK.
If the UK government tried to kick them out after being settled here for so long then I for one would take direct action and be happy to risk arrest or a tasering if need be.

That said, there is some graffiti in my town, I had to Google it because it is not in English, saying "# British fascists, stay in the EU" in Polish.
That mildly annoyed me because I'm thinking who the # are you to come to my country and cause criminal damage to argue political views about what my people have democratically chosen.

Then, today I stopped to talk to a homeless guy, a new face I hadn't seen, and it turned out he was from Czech and couldn't get work or get home - that was his story.
I offered him my phone to contact the Czech embassy as it is their responsibility to help him leave the UK. He refused!
We had an exchange of views and I told him he's entitled to nothing in the UK so if he doesn't want his country to assist in getting him back then why is he choosing to beg here. He replied "I have rights, I am EU citizen" really angry with me, I told him to go # himself and if he doesn't want help getting back to his home nation then he isn't getting any other help from me.

You may all break your hearts for this guy, but for the record I spent 6 months sleeping the streets as a homeless 16 year old runaway many years ago. I stop and offer help to everyone who crosses my path, and I wanted to help the guy, but assist in his root problem as well, getting back home.
If he had been interested in that then he would have had money and food from me, but no, if you choose to be a beggar on UK streets then # you.

Czech is a safe country, this guy is NOT a refugee or asylum seeker, just a guy who failed to make it in the UK and is refusing to go home.
I've already said I will fight for any EU national who is contributing to my country, but if you are begging here and refuse assistance to return to your home country then no, it is your choice alone.

Flame away

a reply to: grainofsand

Well it's not just Europe but also Japan:

When that batsh1te insane German woman told the whole of the Middle East and North Africa to come and live in the EU and become citizens, she opened a doorway for hundreds and thousands of non-refugees into handout land. Coming to Germany and getting EU citizenship meant, under the slack freedom of movement rules, that the channel was now open for thousands of undesirables to come to Britain where you get given a free house, free healthcare, and free mansion sized house for your enormous extended family to move into when they arrive to join you, and loads of free money.

Brexit was in no small part driven by the irresponsible and Ill-conceived actions of a crazy childless old German woman. The reality of coming to Britain may not be quite so straight forward for economic migrants, but the perception is what caused so many to make the journey, by illegal means or otherwise to get here. Ending the right of those arriving illegally in this country to claim asylum would make a massive dent in the numbers attempting to enter.

Maybe he came to the country and got a job and worked hard, but then tragedy hit, he lost family, had a mental health crisis and lost everything. Our mental health services let him out early but his mental health deteriorated and he became alcoholic and depressed. Your discussion may have been the last straw so you may not have to worry about him again.

Or he could just be a lazy homeless guy, probably one of those protestor types.

You could contact police, mental health services as he may have somewhere to live but be begging etc, you may also learn a bit about him which always helps develop empathy.

originally posted by: twfau
Maybe he came to the country and got a job and worked hard, but then tragedy hit, he lost family, had a mental health crisis and lost everything. Our mental health services let him out early but his mental health deteriorated and he became alcoholic and depressed. Your discussion may have been the last straw so you may not have to worry about him again.

Or he could just be a lazy homeless guy, probably one of those protestor types.

You could contact police, mental health services as he may have somewhere to live but be begging etc, you may also learn a bit about him which always helps develop empathy.

I offered to help him get back home and he angrily refused it.
Are you saying that the UK should take the EU's beggars now?
I disagree, you want to beg then beg in your own country.

It's a tough one man, there are a lot that come here and work their arses off to the point it puts us to shame. Then you have people that are actual scumbags that rob, steal and do whatever they want. How to vet them, even with Visa restrictions in place post Brexit is going to be tough.

TBH I'm much more wary of the turks and kurds that stand on the high street pervertedly leering at women and kids, on 2 occasions I've caught guys taking photos of my 7 year old step daughter and had to smash their phones. Those are the types of people that need to be deported ASAP whether they're working or not.

I used to think differently and try to see the good in it all but reality has a habit of kicking you in the arse and changing your perspective.

a reply to: MagnaCarta2015

The bottom line is that some people are not needed in the UK and should be kicked out.
I'm all for immigration which benefits the UK, but beggars, no.

Same as if I started begging on the streets in Australia I'd soon be on a plane back to the UK getting deported.

Genuine refugees are very rarely seen in the west, what we see are economic migrants.

Genuine and helpless refugees are stuck in camps in the middle of nowhere because they dont have the means to pay people traffickers 1000's of dollars to get out.

We in the west need to wake up and start being a bit more discerning about who we let into our homes and societies

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Agreed, but the examples in my OP are EU citizens who have the freedom of movement to beg in the UK.
They are fleeing no oppression, their home nation is a safe EU nation, and the guy I spoke to refused my offer of my phone to contact the Czech embassy for help.
# him.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Agreed, but the examples in my OP are EU citizens who have the freedom of movement to beg in the UK.
They are fleeing no oppression, their home nation is a safe EU nation, and the guy I spoke to refused my offer of my phone to contact the Czech embassy for help.
# him.

Sadly the above is true for most "Refugees" now in Europe, hardly any of the people rocking up in recent years have come from war zones and I even watched a documentary that followed a few groups of "refugees" while they made their way to Europe, a group of Nth African men gave an account of the first time in their lives that they had a gun pointed at them, it was during the first few weeks of their illegal journey at a border crossing in Africa, hows that for irony.

Countries that do have a comprehensive social security/welfare system in place do need to be more careful about who is entitled to benefits and if a non national cant support themselves without gov assistance or begging then they should be booted out

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

if a non national cant support themselves without gov assistance or begging then they should be booted out

Agreed, I would have given him money and food as well as the phone to contact the Czech embassy but he got angry with me, no intention to receive the appropriate help.
It's less than £50 to fly to Czech and I'd even consider helping make that happen, just the leech didn't actually want that, just easy begging in the UK.
He didn't have a clue what to argue back because I was actually trying to help...#ing economic migrant who failed is all.

Does anybody really and truly believe that your politicians/"leaders" are allowing their countries to be swarmed enmasse by migrants and refugees out of their heartfelt love and compassion for others?

Oh, sure. When you object to too many too quick, they will chastise you and use words like, "that is not who we are as a nation. We welcome all people looking for a better life".

There is $$$$$$$$$$ to be made in the immigration/refugee "business".

UN Funding, Foundations, Foundation funding, NGOs, grants to non-profits, etc. etc. etc. They all make money from programs designed to help these people.

They could give a squat less about The People of their homelands. As long as the money is rolling in, the refugees and migrants will roll in and you/me, the taxpayer, will foot the bill through our taxes.

a reply to: queenofswords

I understand your sentiments but my OP is about EU nationals who are legally entitled to be here in the UK.
It is why I voted 'leave' in the referendum last year for the UK out of the EU.

*edit*
Well, one reason lol British sovereignty and control of immigration is no bad thing if the immigrants are needed

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Agreed, but the examples in my OP are EU citizens who have the freedom of movement to beg in the UK.
They are fleeing no oppression, their home nation is a safe EU nation, and the guy I spoke to refused my offer of my phone to contact the Czech embassy for help.
# him.

There are beggars here too, men and women. But, the thing is many of them have gangmasters, and they are scared to death of them, so it's catch 22 for many of them, and hard to escape from.
The old Czechoslovakia now gone, had pretty hard times from the aftermath of WW2 right up to the late1980's, while the two new countries now are seemingly prospering. But there are somethings that do stand out re the EU that many Brits like to malign these days. The Czech Republic is but one example. After WW2, 3 million ethnic German civilians got shoved out of the old Czechoslovakia, with allied approval, yet and all the EU has brought German knowhow back to the CZech lands, Skoda being a prime example, that takes some doing while we in Britland are still talking about Hitler and his one ball, who was a cultist beast, and of course we have the loud mouth BNP, and only slightly more subdued UKIP, cultists, who actually are not short of a bob or two of their own.
Thing is, it looks like you were a bit short on temper with that guy if you know nothing about him, your own experience is about a self inflicted one for whatever, and don't tell me either. But his experience could be totally different, and for any reason.

a reply to: smurfy

Nope, my Czech female 'friend' says he's a leech prick as well.
Perhaps you know different lol

*Edit*
...and I offered a phone call to the Czech embassy on my phone to which he refused all angry.
Yeah, poor EU national.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: smurfy

Nope, my Czech female 'friend' says he's a leech prick as well.
Perhaps you know different lol

*Edit*
...and I offered a phone call to the Czech embassy on my phone to which he refused all angry.
Yeah, poor EU national.

Didn't read a bit of my post did you, now this Czech guy is a female as well...and no, I don't want whatever you are on if I should make mistakes like that.

a reply to: smurfy

What are you on about?
My Czech friend thinks her fellow countryman is a leech, begging here instead of going back home. As I said at the start, I have many EU friends, but the beggar is someone separate.

What issue can you have with me?
I offered my phone to call the Czech embassy for assistance as that is the best port of call for foreign nationals and he angrily refused.
Do you want all the EU's beggars here or do you wish to help them return home?

In the interests of fairness, I reckon every single person that is here on the day that article 50 is enacted should be given a British passport and be told in no uncertain terms that they are British.

I don't hold with this selective kicking out of folks because of their perceived worth. There are an awful lot of native Brits I'd want kicked out for not pulling their weight if I am really honest.

I know it's annoying when you walk through town and see people selling the Big Issue who aren't homeless Brits, but people from Eastern Europe on the fiddle, but the only answer to such things is bigger, more intrusive government meddling and that is a far heftier burden to bear than the odd interloper.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Hmm I'm with you on the passport thing when article 50 is invoked up to a point.
I'd offer it to all settled nationals, so anyone who can do the usual expected by banks etc, ID and two forms of UK address at that date.

How else do you prove 'settled' and do you really want a rush of people moving here with no home or job just to claim British residency?
That would happen for sure from the piss poor parts of the EU.
Imagine if Theresa May declared a March cut off date, there would be an exodus in my opinion.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Agreed, but the examples in my OP are EU citizens who have the freedom of movement to beg in the UK.

Wrong it's this mistaken BS that has made so many people anti EU. He is actually breaking the law if he has been here more than 3 months and incapable of supporting himself. Clearly true.

The fault lies with UK nationals incapable of doing their fricking job and enforcing the law.

The same problem with health tourism. The EU seems to have no difficulty in enforcing the law and making sure the bill for treating UK citizens is handed over to the NHS. But the NHS finds it impossible to do the opposite. This is because of all those very highly paid UK admin managers being paid huge salaries that are incapable of organising this.

The world is going to hell in a hand basket as folks increasingly obsess over the symptoms of problems and not the cause.