Unwanted or needed EU immigrants, kick them out

a reply to: grainofsand

I agree. Anyone who can provide proof of residency is fine. Even people on the street can get a letter from the dole office to prove their status so it shouldn't disadvantage anyone at all.


The safest thing to do would be some sort of mechanism whereby the date can be announced in retrospect. Not sure if it's doable within law though, so we will probably just have to suck it up.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Even retrospect is going to be problematic, there will be people who start a job a day or so later and will miss out.
It will be a mess however it's decided.
I know one thing though, I don't want non nationals begging on the streets of the UK.

Exactly the same as if I decided to overstay my visa in Australia and started begging then the authorities will deport me back to Britain.
I approve of such a policy for the UK.

Wouldn't it have been more thoughtful on a basic human level to simply give the guy a few coins and signpost him to the nearest homeless hostel, or to the local council homelessness unit where he could get some real help, rather than give him a lecture and tell him to leave the country ?

Or did you already know, before you spoke to the guy, that he was a bum (from your conversation with your Czech friend) and that he was especially deserving of a brutal dollop of grainofsand advice ?

OP, a word of advice. It's all very well being controversial on here. But try it in the real world once too often and you'll eventually end up with a smack in the mouth.

Sometimes it's better to exercise restraint and walk on by.

a reply to: TheShippingForecast

The homeless services are fantastic in my area, charities and churches have places for everyone overnight and will even pick people up by car. There is a daily hot meal for everyone and replacement clothes.
Begging is not for food, clothes or shelter here.

And save your advice fella, I'm as blunt in real life as I am online and taken enough punches so your words of wisdom like a pseudo father figure are dismissed.

a reply to: grainofsand

I get what you are saying, but YorkshireLad had a good point. There is a massive failure in the bureaucracy of government which should already be dealing with such things and isn't.


I don't like the idea of extra laws to deal with things that can already be dealt with under existing law. We had far too much of that under Blair and Brown.

a reply to: grainofsand

I'm struggling to understand why you chose to confront a homeless man on the street about his situation, rather than express your opinions about EU migrants in a more conventional way. Organising, demonstrating, letter writing, online campaigning etc.

Instead you picked on a homeless beggar and fired off with him, as if he's the one to blame for British/EU migration policy. I don't understand why someone who says he has been homeless himself would choose to do that.

Sounds like some weird dom/sub thing going on in your head tbh. Takes all sorts I guess.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Agreed, but like it or not new legislation will be required to adapt to the new reality after Brexit.
I don't want anyone without British residency status begging on our streets, as my OP clearly indicates.

I wish such beggars compassion, food and shelter prior to deportation then a free flight back to their home nation.
As I've said, the same as I'd expect if I started begging in Australia or similar.

The guy in the OP angrily refused assistance to contact his embassy for help so chooses to beg in Britain. # him.

a reply to: TheShippingForecast

Oh don't be silly, I initiated friendly contact same as I do daily with homeless people.
I share a smoke and a chat often with many folk.
Difference this guy's story was he couldn't afford to get back to Czech and got angry when I looked at a solution like using my phone to call his embassy.
He clearly didn't like my offer of help for his presented situation, so I assumed he was bull#ting.

You can take your bleeding heart and assume what you like as well, but if you choose to beg in a foreign country and refuse assistance to get help from your embassy then frankly you can # off in my opinion.

All that leave Siria and the other countries are refugees. Doesn't matter what they really want.

A refugee is any person that leaves a conflict country where you can die on a daily basis.

Some people just want safer laid back life in the EU.


Tell me, if UK or Germany was ravaged by terorists and you can die every day. Your mother died being shot by a soldier, your son doesn't have a hand, or you are just tired because your friend blew himself up in your work office.

What will you do then if lets say , Siria was a really safe place, people are happy. There is no death , there is only peace and happiness.

What will you do?

Go to Siria?

But Siria doesn't want you. You don't fit into society. You are trash and you need to go back AND DIE! You are woman who doesn't want to cover her face? Please go back in your war ravaged country and die like all your friends. Just go and DIE!


This is what is happening. It doesn't really matter what is right or wrong. It matters if you want to let people have some rest and get better life, or you want them to go back and probbably die for one big nothing.

If you are so concerned about their bad behaviour, build biger and better jails for them to stay in >.>

a reply to: ZeroFurrbone

Did you even read the OP?
The guy is from Czech, a safe EU country.

I dont have much myself but i give when i can to the less fortunate. Deep down i know some of these beggars are being used and abused by gangsters from their own country. I've never ask what the deal is but i suspect they are living ten deep in a house somewhere controlled by a overlord and forced to sell the big issue or just plain beg for money. I wouldn't wish that scenario on my worst enemy.

If i give a fiver and that fiver goes directly to a gangster who in turn keeps a roof over the beggars heads and feeds them then i can live with the knowledge that at least they are being fed and housed.

Indirectly i'm probably not helping anyone but the gangster. i'm sure the beggar never thought his/her life would come to this, but i would rather give something than see them pushed to prostitution or worse.

I'm with the op on why you would want to come here with little to offer, it's not for the #ing weather that's for sure, but remember there are plenty born and bred here who contribute # all as well.

Can you imagine if it was your son or daughter living this way and everyone just turned a blind eye..Personal circumstance of these people we will never know..so what do we do.? Turning a Blind eye is not in my makeup. I remember as a child, long before migrants were an issue, i would lay in bed on a cold stormy night and think and worry about how homeless people cope, and that has stuck with me to this day. Hey, I'm a Human being and proud to have this compassion for my fellow human being.

originally posted by: ZeroFurrbone
If you are so concerned about their bad behaviour, build biger and better jails for them to stay in >.>

...and no, deport them, it's cheaper.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

I'm with you on the compassion thing and it was from a genuine place when I was looking at helping him contact the Czech embassy with my phone.
The guy got angry with me for finding a solution to the problem he presented to me, getting back to Czech.

If he is controlled by a gangmaster then it's a piss poor master who advises lying about raising money to get back home because kind people like myself will think of other more holistic options than giving coins.
If trapped in a foreign country then your embassy is the first option, hence the offer of my phone which was angrily refused.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Soloprotocol

I'm with you on the compassion thing and it was from a genuine place when I was looking at helping him contact the Czech embassy with my phone.
The guy got angry with me for finding a solution to the problem he presented to me, getting back to Czech.

If he is controlled by a gangmaster then it's a piss poor master who advises lying about raising money to get back home because kind people like myself will think of other more holistic options than giving coins.
If trapped in a foreign country then your embassy is the first option, hence the offer of my phone which was angrily refused.

Yeah, but if he/she are controlled by masters running back home is not an option. The masters would know where to find them. vicious circle mate.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Then it's a Czech problem. Britain deports and refuse re entry, closes the begging in Britain market.
Say some bad dudes trafficked me to Canada to beg should Canada not kick me back to Britain?
Is every other country outside the EU a terrible place because they would kick me out if I rocked up as a beggar?

EU freedom of movement appears to facilitate the trafficked beggar market.
But you are assuming the guy in my OP was trafficked, he was angry not afraid, I cannot assume he is controlled as you do, but either way it is Czech's problem so deport and refuse re entry.

*edit*
I'll even sugar coat it...Give a hot meal, shower, fresh clothes, and a free flight home, with refusal of re entry to Britain unless with a verified confirmed job to come to.
Deportation of beggars would hurt the gang masters and ruin their begging market.

What happens back in Czech is Czech's problem.

Maybe he just wants to be free? You aren't exactly free when you have to go to job everyday for your whole life.
Why beggars are making you so mad? Would UK native beggar be more welcomed by you?
The growing muslim population in the UK is your real problem but perhaps you still need few years to find out.

a reply to: KiwiNite

Oh please don't exaggerate, I'm not made 'mad' by EU beggars, I was genuinely friendly offering my phone to a beggar claiming he wanted to go home, he was the one who got angry about calling his embassy.

And yes, beg in your own safe country, same as I can't just turn up at some nice beach in Australia and start begging.
Australia and every other country outside of the EU would kick me out. Rightly so.

a reply to: grainofsand

Give me a hot shower, free meal and flight anywhere and some fancy clobber and i'll accept. wont be long before i'm back though. Have we not tried that one before?, i'm sure we were paying some people to # off a few years ago.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Try begging in Australia or Canada and see how quickly your arse will be flown back.
Improve border control here and no problem.