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originally posted by: Itisnowagain
Can you please answer this question?
Why is there any need to still the mind? For what purpose? Do thoughts bother you?
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originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: Itisnowagain
yes that would be true if we walked about with our heads in the clouds, but thoughts don't "just" happen, there is a cause to every effect,
originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: crowdedskies
There is no need to control thought or stop thought when thoughts are seen to be happening because they are realised not to be yours or anything to do with you. Thoughts are no different from clouds in the sky - I am not a cloud - I am the sky.
No one is thinking - thought just happens - it is easy to recognise this - just watch where the next thought appears - you are merely the witness of whatever is arising.
originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: crowdedskies
Very true each persons attachments of concepts about the world itself and what is contained in it is what keeps it perpetuating onward under the same systems that never seem to go away just change names and faces as people die enslaved to those illusions or delusions of conceptual being reality.
Sure it may seem like oh no this that and the other in all of those conceptual bubbles one is clinging too... but place the mind elsewhere and everything else in the entire universe ceases to exist until the attachment of others to "you" and them come crashing the party en-mass.
So what is there to escape from after escaping oneself? Hell even hermits had difficulty escaping into mountain caves 10's of thousands of years ago. So the best thing to do is point that this nonsense is not what we should be clinging to in forming it in perpetuation nor teaching others to cling to it in perpetuation as what ease does it bring anyone other than the systems in which the perpetuation of it benefit?
Renunciation of the world means just that; it nor anyone in it is welcome that brings concepts of bondage and slavery into it caring only for basic needs to survive in order to do one thing... point that those conceptual attachments are the problem so investigate where they arose from and see they were never a part of the self but somehow became a self and there is no need to support such things and eventually, they disappear as the mind becomes vacuous and all encompassing like space itself, and matter is only form balancing what is already formless.
originally posted by: crowdedskies
Therefore, irrespective of of attachments or environment , thoughts should be at the service of the Will. Again I say, thought control exercise helps because it stops petty , inconsequential thinking from obscuring our objectives .
originally posted by: Dark Ghost
originally posted by: crowdedskies
Therefore, irrespective of of attachments or environment , thoughts should be at the service of the Will. Again I say, thought control exercise helps because it stops petty , inconsequential thinking from obscuring our objectives .
"Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills." — Arthur Schopenhauer.
When you consider, I mean REALLY deeply consider what Schopenhauer was alluding to, you will come to realise that you cannot even truly control what you will.
originally posted by: crowdedskies
I bought myself two volumes of Schopenhauer more that 20 years ago. Midway through the first volume , I decided that I had nothing to gain from it. Everything written was very clear, yet there was nothing that I could benefit from.
To use a phrase such as "Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills" is just a play on words; a riddle that cannot be solved and is only there to create a knot on a string. In fact , it has no meaning at all . It is like saying ;" I cannot eat what I eat"
originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
"Man can do what he wills but he cannot will what he wills"
originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: Itisnowagain
Then who is experiencing compassion and awe as it arises.
originally posted by: Dark Ghost
Take for example your earlier assertions that through practice, one can learn to control their thoughts. You may be able to control your thoughts, but you cannot change your desire to do so. This desire to control your thoughts is out of your control — whether you act on it or not.