Who is the Alt-Right

I've seen a lot of confusion and a lot of deflecting of what the alt-right is.

I decided to make a lengthy reply about the Alt-Right in another thread, but thought it deserved it's own thread for discussion as well.

As a disclaimer, I am not a fan of the Alt-Right, so this is obviously biased towards the negative. I think most people after reading what/who the Alt-Right really is, you will share that negativity towards them.

But if you read this entire thread and still feel like you can defend the Alt-Right, please let's discuss it.

To try to be somewhat less biased, I will use a source from the Alt-Right itself that describes what/who they are. The source is Breitbart news, and is written by a columnist who champions himself as Alt-Right. This article is from March 2016, so well before Clinton and everyone started talking about the Alt-Right.

Without further ado...I present to you the Alt-Right. I

www.breitbart.com...

The writer of this article divdes alt-right members into 4 groups. The "Intellectuals", "Natural Conservatives", "The MEME Team", and "1488ers"

Let's first look at the "The Intellectuals"

The origins of the alternative right can be found in thinkers as diverse as Oswald Spengler, H.L Mencken, Julius Evola, Sam Francis, and the paleoconservative movement that rallied around the presidential campaigns of Pat Buchanan. The French New Right also serve as a source of inspiration for many leaders of the alt-right.

The media empire of the modern-day alternative right coalesced around Richard Spencer during his editorship of Taki’s Magazine. In 2010, Spencer founded AlternativeRight.com, which would become a center of alt-right thought.

Alongside other nodes like Steve Sailer’s blog, VDARE and American Renaissance, AlternativeRight.com became a gathering point for an eclectic mix of renegades who objected to the established political consensus in some form or another. All of these websites have been accused of racism.

Ok, let's check some of those sites out that have been "accused of racism"...I'll just hop over to VDARE and see what's on their front page.

YIKES

The Answer To Hillary’s Charge Of “Racism” Is The Charge Of Treason—Against America, And Its Founding Stock

Hillary Clinton has just claimed that all criticism of America’s immigration disaster is inspired by Alt Right “racism,” so we feel free to mention the obvious truth: Kaine, and all immigration enthusiasm, is ultimately motivated by treason—to America; and to its Founding stock.

It's "founding stock"? ...oh...they mean white people. HOLY ####. Yeah, that's not racist at all. Let me keep reading, maybe it's not what they really mean.

The politicians implementing this policy of dispossession against American whites can only be viewed as an occupying government. Those who go along with it, especially Republicans, should be considered collaborators. And the response to accusations of “racism” is the, entirely accurate, charge of treason.

Nope, that's what they really mean. If you are white and support immigration...you are a traitor against your race and your country.

Seems like nice people...glad to see some of you defending them. And remember...these are the "Intellectuals" of the group.

But back to the Brietbart article....let's move on to the "Natural Conservatives".

Natural conservatives can broadly be described as the group that the intellectuals above were writing for. They are mostly white, mostly male middle-American radicals, who are unapologetically embracing a new identity politics that prioritises the interests of their own demographic.
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The conservative instinct, as described by Haidt, includes a preference for homogeneity over diversity, for stability over change
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But natural conservatives have other concerns: chiefly, the preservation of their own tribe and its culture.

Ok...so they are mostly white males who are concerned of homogeneity over diversity...so....white supremacist, Awesome.

And their use of the word "tribe" is very disturbing for some reason.

The alt-right’s intellectuals would also argue that culture is inseparable from race. The alt-right believe that some degree of separation between peoples is necessary for a culture to be preserved. A Mosque next to an English street full of houses bearing the flag of St. George, according to alt-righters, is neither an English street nor a Muslim street — separation is necessary for distinctiveness.

Oh, and they want segregation too. Sounds like a great group of people.

Anyone want to defend this group?

We are going to skip "The MEME Team"...because all they do is make MEMEs. They supposedly don't care about the politics or the issues...they are in it for the LOLs.

So let's go right into the 1488RS.

What's a 1488R you ask? Well...

Why “1488”? It’s a reference to two well-known Neo Nazi slogans, the first being the so-called 14 Words: “We Must Secure The Existence Of Our People And A Future For White Children.” The second part of the number, 88, is a reference to the 8th letter of the alphabet – H. Thus, “88” becomes “HH” which becomes “Heil Hitler.”

to be fair, the author does say this about them

Anything associated as closely with racism and bigotry as the alternative right will inevitably attract real racists and bigots. Calmer members of the alternative right refer darkly to these people as the “1488ers,” and for all their talk of there being “no enemies to the right,” it’s clear from the many conversations we’ve had with alt-righters that many would rather the 1488ers didn’t exist.

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But the fact is they are part of the alt-right...the author even admits it and HE is part of the alt-right. It's nice to hear that they would rather not have them be a part of their movement...but the reason they are is because their viewpoints align with them.



So there you have it...the alt-right...go ahead and defend them if you want to, but I will continue to call them out for what they are. White Supremacist, Segregationist, White Nationalist, and Neo Nazis...and that is not me trying to smear their name...that is just repeating what the author of this article and member of the alt-right self-declared themselves as.

a reply to: kruphix

The whole thing reads like a tired manifesto. It's too reactionary for my liking.

The alt-right’s intellectuals would also argue that culture is inseparable from race. The alt-right believe that some degree of separation between peoples is necessary for a culture to be preserved. A Mosque next to an English street full of houses bearing the flag of St. George, according to alt-righters, is neither an English street nor a Muslim street — separation is necessary for distinctiveness.

This is particularly nonsensical. Culture is separable from race. This is the very same identity politics they're reacting against.

FULL SPEECH: Hillary Clinton links Donald Trump to alt-right in Reno

Hillarys alt-right attack could backfire

There are two ways to become relevant as a conservative. The difficult path is to inspire enough Americans with the force of great ideas. The easier option is to incite the right enemies.

Last Thursday, Hillary Clinton gave a small group of left-wing inspired cranks, trolls, and outcast bloggers the easier path towards the latter. In a speech in Reno, Clinton took aim at “an emerging racist ideology known as the ‘alt-right.’” According to Clinton, this “fringe element has effectively taken over the Republican Party.”


This is news to me. Over the past year, I served as the Policy Coordinator to both the Huckabee and Trump presidential campaigns. Not once did I hear the term “alt-right” on either campaign.
Yes, I suppose it’s possible, as Clinton claims, that my colleagues secretly “traffic in dark conspiracy theories drawn from … the far, dark reaches of the internet.” But, at least as far as I can tell, the inspiration behind our campaigns' policy work comes from more familiar sources — think-tanks like the Heritage Foundation, policy staffs in Congress, and center-right publications where conservative wonks tend to publish.

Last month in the week before the Republican National Convention, for example, I represented the Trump campaign in Cleveland during GOP Committee Week when delegates gathered from around the country to hammer out the 2016 official party platform. I saw plenty of familiar faces — social conservatives from longstanding evangelical organizations, former foreign policy officials from the Bush Administration, and donors who finance their churn of white papers......

Pratik Chougule (Author of this Article) is the former Policy Coordinator to the presidential campaigns of Gov. Mike Huckabee and Donald Trump. He is also a former State Department political appointee in the George W. Bush Administration.

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There appears to be many (still) emerging theories as to who or what constitutes this Neorevolutionary movement, Hillary has an interesting commentary on her website about what she thinks it is...

hillaryclinton.com

So, I am a racist bigot because one blogger claims there's a group defined by a Facebook meme inspired by a denomination I first learned existed while eating breakfast last Thursday?

a reply to: Sublimecraft

It is the first time I have heard the term alt right. But Trump...looks like a duck, acts ilke a diuck...may be this alt right thing.

originally posted by: Reigning
So, I am a racist bigot because one blogger claims there's a group defined by a Facebook meme inspired by a denomination I first learned existed while eating breakfast last Thursday?

AND, you are supposed to feel bad about it, too.

Is alt-right another made up word like islamophobia?

It's not even in my spell check.

Stupid hillary. She should take the blame for this.

originally posted by: Reigning
So, I am a racist bigot because one blogger claims there's a group defined by a Facebook meme inspired by a denomination I first heard of while eating breakfast last Thursday?

Who said that?

Do you claim to be part of the Alt-Right? If not, then no...no one is saying you are a racist or a bigot.

What makes you think anyone is claiming you are part of the Alt-Right?

On the fence about this thing. It's an authoritarian movement(from what I have heard from the more politically interested) and I waver at this point. Of course there is no unified ideology so not every point goes with me, if any. Frankly, I'd need to read more on the topic, but so little appears available. This will either die out or more information will come in the coming years.

Some are very right wingers

But in some blogs and other sites there are left wing democrat trolls that are just on the internet to screw with the ALT RIGHT and make them over the top and racist.

There is nothing racist about calling out black and Hispanic gang members criminals that should be locked behind bars forever or taken out and fitted for body bags.

I am a retired EMT but if called out to pick up a gang member with gang tats i do not work as hard to save them or lessen there pain as i would there victims. Many firefighter and EMTs are of the same mind but will never admit it.
Its the same for drunk drivers that take out people. We will tell the cops at the site that we have a possible 501.

Collectivist thinking is HATE speech trying to group people into EASILY fomented opinions based on the assumptions of the observer.

a reply to: ksiezyc

From what I read, it is actually quite the opposite of authoritarian. If you read the article, they are actually very anti-establishment and anti-government involvement in personal issues.

I honestly don't see anything authoritarian about them. If you have a source that explains how this is true, could you please share it?

a reply to: ANNED

There is nothing racist about calling out black and Hispanic gang members criminals that should be locked behind bars forever or taken out and fitted for body bags.

But why aren't you calling out the white criminals? Why only the black and hispanic gang members?

It's statements like those that make people question motives.

I am a retired EMT but if called out to pick up a gang member with gang tats i do not work as hard to save them or lessen there pain as i would there victims. Many firefighter and EMTs are of the same mind but will never admit it.
Its the same for drunk drivers that take out people. We will tell the cops at the site that we have a possible 501.

Well that is quite horrible.

Judge, Jury and Executioner?

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
Collectivist thinking is HATE speech trying to group people into EASILY fomented opinions based on the assumptions of the observer.

So what did you think about the article from Breitbart.com?

Are they espousing hate speech?

originally posted by: kruphix

originally posted by: Reigning
So, I am a racist bigot because one blogger claims there's a group defined by a Facebook meme inspired by a denomination I first heard of while eating breakfast last Thursday?

Who said that?

Do you claim to be part of the Alt-Right? If not, then no...no one is saying you are a racist or a bigot.

What makes you think anyone is claiming you are part of the Alt-Right?

a reply to: kruphix

I will have to look into that actually as you may be correct, but that may be till tomorrow. In any case that removes an obstacle from them I suppose.

No one has even heard of the Alt Right until Clinton brought it up. Just another he's "racist" smear because that's all she's got.

Alt right might consist of a few thousand racists at most? Idk

Can we call the Communist, Socialist, Anarchists and satanists as the Alt Left now?

Seems fair to me.

Forget it

originally posted by: kruphixYIKES



It's "founding stock"? ...oh...they mean white people. HOLY ####. Yeah, that's not racist at all. Let me keep reading, maybe it's not what they really mean.

What's so scary about that? Just a clumsy way of identifying themselves as from European stock.

The politicians implementing this policy of dispossession against American whites can only be viewed as an occupying government. Those who go along with it, especially Republicans, should be considered collaborators. And the response to accusations of “racism” is the, entirely accurate, charge of treason.

Nope, that's what they really mean. If you are white and support immigration...you are a traitor against your race and your country.

It's hyperbole, sure, but isn't that the essence of all special interest groups? I'm sure BLM people often refer to black cops as racial traitors (coconuts, eggplants etc).

But natural conservatives have other concerns: chiefly, the preservation of their own tribe and its culture.

Ok...so they are mostly white males who are concerned of homogeneity over diversity...so....white supremacist, Awesome.

And their use of the word "tribe" is very disturbing for some reason.

If you have a culture that you enjoy, why not protect it? Lots of BEME groups promote their cultures why can't these guys? Why are they scarier? Tribe is just a collective term for a group.

So let's go right into the 1488RS.

What's a 1488R you ask? Well...

Why “1488”? It’s a reference to two well-known Neo Nazi slogans, the first being the so-called 14 Words: “We Must Secure The Existence Of Our People And A Future For White Children.” The second part of the number, 88, is a reference to the 8th letter of the alphabet – H. Thus, “88” becomes “HH” which becomes “Heil Hitler.”

to be fair, the author does say this about them

Anything associated as closely with racism and bigotry as the alternative right will inevitably attract real racists and bigots. Calmer members of the alternative right refer darkly to these people as the “1488ers,” and for all their talk of there being “no enemies to the right,” it’s clear from the many conversations we’ve had with alt-righters that many would rather the 1488ers didn’t exist.

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But the fact is they are part of the alt-right...the author even admits it and HE is part of the alt-right. It's nice to hear that they would rather not have them be a part of their movement...but the reason they are is because their viewpoints align with them.



So there you have it...the alt-right...go ahead and defend them if you want to, but I will continue to call them out for what they are. White Supremacist, Segregationist, White Nationalist, and Neo Nazis...and that is not me trying to smear their name...that is just repeating what the author of this article and member of the alt-right self-declared themselves as.

To be fair, hardline Nazis (which is what 1488ers really are) often align themselves with whatever group they feel shares a confluence of interests with them. It doesn't mean the whole group is toxic, just that there are some who are bad within that group, rather like a football club. Some supporters are far right, others far left while the majority hover in between, but you wouldn't call them all Nazis, would you?

originally posted by: ksiezyc
Forget it

Because they are leftists
www.progressivestoday.com...

The left is becoming the antiChristian party.

a reply to: kruphix

I avoid them I got stung too many times.
THAT article is an opinion of a new word like my "Prog" deal.
Its going to be used to target free speech so it might be a PC term.