Mandela Effect - 007 Moonraker; Dolly Has No Braces!

originally posted by: FlabberGhast
a reply to: In4ormant

I refered to the same commercial in my OP. So your point is that people remember her having braces bcause they actually saw braces in this commercial? Lol.

I never saw that commercial before yesterday.

You just said yourself you remembered seeing braces watching the movie, because of bad quality and low resolution, but now you are going to claim you were influenced by that commercial? Which is it?

I would say the commercial is refering to the movie, suggesting there were braces in the movie, which is why I posted it in my op.

I never said I was influenced by the commercial.

It's cute how you want so badly to believe.

Let's do a thought experiment.

You say there is no point to her without braces. If there was an alternative timeline crashing into yours that would mean the movie was made in another timeline and she didn't have braces in that timeline.

What was the point of her in that timeline when they made the movie then? She must of had a point to her role in the alternative timeline. What was it?

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I dont know anything about that movie (although I loved playing as Jaws in Goldeneye 64).

But I do know about a movie term known as "Goofs". Pretty much every movie ever has some listed in the Trivia section of their imdb page. Even some of these modern billion dollar box office flicks are loaded with them.

Here is the such page for this film:
www.imdb.com...

Although everybody remembers Dolly (played by Blanche Ravalec) wearing braces in the scene where she meets Jaws for the first time, she doesn't wear braces at all!

Hmmmmmmm......

So, although everyone remembers Dolly wearing braces, because I do, and in all fairness I remember it well because that's what she was meant to be wearing to align with Jaws and his metal teeth.

I don't know about the Mandela effect, but someone is screwing with us here.

Because no other explanation fits?

You know what, this is the first time I actually believe that we live in a manipulated world.

Sure we are manipulated by fellow humans, but the manipulation appears to go beyond that.

Man, this weird, seriously. I am a James Bond fan and I have watched Moonraker many times. I distinctly remember Dolly having braces/retainer.

I remember it too. I watched the clips from an old vhs copy and the quality was bad. I think that, coupled with old TV resolution, is what gives me that memory.

You truly don't know much about films do you?

The whole point of Dolly having braces was in order to give her empathy for Jaws and Jaws empathy from Dolly.

There would be no point in the character otherwise.

That's the whole point in your rationale.
Or....it was just another big t$tty blonde in a Bond movie and it was IRONIC that a girl with perfect teeth would like a guy with a jacked up mouth.

You know, I didn't even remember her having a heaving bosom, all I remember about her is the braces, whether it was a worn VHS recording or whether it was aired on T.V.

Strange, very strange.

a reply to: In4ormant

I never said I was influenced by the commercial.

What was the point you were trying to make with it?

You say there is no point to her without braces.

I said the specific scene doesn't make sense without her having braces.

What was the point of her in that timeline when they made the movie then?

That timeline? You mean THIS reality?

You keep coming up with contrived arguments that don't change the issue which almost every responder sofar, including yourself, is noticing.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I dont know anything about that movie (although I loved playing as Jaws in Goldeneye 64).

But I do know about a movie term known as "Goofs". Pretty much every movie ever has some listed in the Trivia section of their imdb page. Even some of these modern billion dollar box office flicks are loaded with them.

Here is the such page for this film:
www.imdb.com...

Although everybody remembers Dolly (played by Blanche Ravalec) wearing braces in the scene where she meets Jaws for the first time, she doesn't wear braces at all!

Hmmmmmmm......

So, although everyone remembers Dolly wearing braces, because I do, and in all fairness I remember it well because that's what she was meant to be wearing to align with Jaws and his metal teeth.

I don't know about the Mandela effect, but someone is screwing with us here.

Because no other explanation fits?

You know what, this is the first time I actually believe that we live in a manipulated world.

Sure we are manipulated by fellow humans, but the manipulation appears to go beyond that.

Man, this weird, seriously. I am a James Bond fan and I have watched Moonraker many times. I distinctly remember Dolly having braces/retainer.

I remember it too. I watched the clips from an old vhs copy and the quality was bad. I think that, coupled with old TV resolution, is what gives me that memory.

You truly don't know much about films do you?

The whole point of Dolly having braces was in order to give her empathy for Jaws and Jaws empathy from Dolly.

There would be no point in the character otherwise.

That's the whole point in your rationale.
Or....it was just another big t$tty blonde in a Bond movie and it was IRONIC that a girl with perfect teeth would like a guy with a jacked up mouth.

You know, I didn't even remember her having a heaving bosom, all I remember about her is the braces, whether it was a worn VHS recording or whether it was aired on T.V.

Strange, very strange.

Maybe you could answer my question I posted above.

Just adding that I also distinctly remember Dolly having braces. And she wasn't such a looker either...
A quick image search of Blanche Ravalec doesn't show any images of her with braces that I can find.

More than happy for a rational explanation to come along (like if there were multiple shots of that scene using different actresses) but until that time, I'm going to go and hide in a cupboard now. Reality appears to be made of play-dough.

originally posted by: FlabberGhast
a reply to: In4ormant

I never said I was influenced by the commercial.

What was the point you were trying to make with it?

You say there is no point to her without braces.

I said the specific scene doesn't make sense without her having braces.

What was the point of her in that timeline when they made the movie then?

That timeline? You mean THIS reality?

You keep coming up with contrived arguments that don't change the issue which almost every responder sofar, including yourself, is noticing.

You failed to answer my question. If this reality was altered due to converging realities, what was the point of her role in the reality that took this one over?

a reply to: In4ormant

You failed to answer my question.

Your question was based on something I didn't say, and it was a response to a post that you failed to actually reply to, so cry me a river. What you say doesn't even make sense since she has no braces in THIS reality. You tell me what her purpose is in this reality.

originally posted by: Unresponsible
Just adding that I also distinctly remember Dolly having braces. And she wasn't such a looker either...
A quick image search of Blanche Ravalec doesn't show any images of her with braces that I can find.

More than happy for a rational explanation to come along (like if there were multiple shots of that scene using different actresses) but until that time, I'm going to go and hide in a cupboard now. Reality appears to be made of play-dough.

Rational explanations aren't working tonight, check back tomorrow.

originally posted by: In4ormant
You failed to answer my question. If this reality was altered due to converging realities, what was the point of her role in the reality that took this one over?

She was and still is a plot device

However

I read once that Jaws’ girlfriend Dolly, whom he meets in Rio de Janeiro, was initially meant to have a mouth full of shiny metal braces, but for some reason they didn’t put this in the film. I think this would have been perfect! It saddens me that this wasn’t included.

Thoughts on… Moonraker (1979)

Now answer me this, why would they "for some reason" not give Dolly braces ?

They intended for her to have braces, everybody including yourself remembers her having braces, yet somehow she doesn't

Are you saying that it all makes perfect sense that everybody is remembering something that never happened in a very iconic moment of an iconic film ?

Are there any other films of all the thousands of films you've likely watched where you remember anybody wearing braces ?

Here's another iconic film, The Italian Job



Why is it everybody can remember that line perfectly yet it's "faulty memory" for other things which people remember so perfectly but is apparently now not true

originally posted by: FlabberGhast
a reply to: In4ormant

You failed to answer my question.

Your question was based on something I didn't say, and it was a response to a post that you failed to actually reply to, so cry me a river. What you say doesn't even make sense since she has no braces in THIS reality. You tell me what her purpose is in this reality.

You deflect. What is your explanation of the ME?
How do you suppose this reality is different now?

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

You know what, this is the first time I actually believe that we live in a manipulated world.

Sure we are manipulated by fellow humans, but the manipulation appears to go beyond that.

Man, this weird, seriously. I am a James Bond fan and I have watched Moonraker many times. I distinctly remember Dolly having braces/retainer.

Well, I agree we live in a manipulated world, how desperate is that? you could consider though that someone would like to eke out the last shekel from something out of nothing though.
I can consider that something like a, 'Mandela Effect' would be very marketable to a product once it's past its sell by date, especially old film, TV whatever media, just by tweaking, even just a little bit, and its well known that renderings into digital are tweaked all the time. Throw out a bit of controversy into the 'net, like here, and it becomes its own 'truth' it's so easy. I don't even think it matters at the end of the day should some old genuine copy turn up with Dolly flashing a set of braces..as in teeth that is, all that matters is that some critter goes and buys a blue ray, and bids on an old VHS for the 'original' foreby.

'Mandela effect' is only as real as you want it to be.

a reply to: In4ormant

I remember it too. I watched the clips from an old vhs copy and the quality was bad. I think that, coupled with old TV resolution, is what gives me that memory.

So you remember Dolly having braces too, just like all responders sofar, except two. This is your final explanation for it?

Low resolution and bad quality making braceless teeth look like braces?

Lol.

a reply to: smurfy

I don't believe in the Mandela Effect, but I believe someone is screwing with us.

a reply to: smurfy

Just to add to that I found this



We all know Lucas fudged with the original trilogy with his "special" editions which ruined the original trilogy, that was admitted to however, so it could be perfectly reasonable to think that it's intentional editing and not admitted to create controversy and attention back to an aged film

a reply to: Discotech

But old VHS tapes seem to show no braces either.

originally posted by: Discotech

originally posted by: In4ormant
You failed to answer my question. If this reality was altered due to converging realities, what was the point of her role in the reality that took this one over?

She was and still is a plot device

However

I read once that Jaws’ girlfriend Dolly, whom he meets in Rio de Janeiro, was initially meant to have a mouth full of shiny metal braces, but for some reason they didn’t put this in the film. I think this would have been perfect! It saddens me that this wasn’t included.

Thoughts on… Moonraker (1979)

Now answer me this, why would they "for some reason" not give Dolly braces ?

They intended for her to have braces, everybody including yourself remembers her having braces, yet somehow she doesn't

Are you saying that it all makes perfect sense that everybody is remembering something that never happened in a very iconic moment of an iconic film ?

Are there any other films of all the thousands of films you've likely watched where you remember anybody wearing braces ?

Your use of the word "everyone" is a little misleading here.

Even if I'm EXTREMELY generous and concede that 100k people remember it that way, let's do some math.

Moonraker brought in 210 million worldwide. Average ticket price was 2.54 a ticket. That means that nearly 100 million people worldwide saw this movie during its run.

That's .1%

Hardly everyone, and really telling.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

why even post something ridiculous like this Unbreakable? you have nothing worthy to add to this thread. And maybe, just maybe, this hasn't been covered in awhile, so a new thread on this topic can't hurt. We have so many new comers on this site, I'm sure not everyone saw the last thread. And really, who wants to use the search function on this site anyways, it's flawed big time. I clearly remember this movie, my father was a huge 007 fan, and had all the movies. We would watch marathons of it. She had braces as far back as I can remember. I found this link for everyone else except you Unbreakable. www.complex.com...

AND FOR THE RECORD ITS BEARENSTIEN BEARSTEIN BEARS!!!!!!!!

Well, I remember braces. And I also thought Nelson Mandela died way before 2013. That alone was not convincing to me and I smiled at all the "new mandela effect" threads.

I´m unsure if this is not some major prank but then, some people already digged out their VHS recordings.
First time I really get intrigued.

a reply to: In4ormant
No, you´re deflecting again. Seriously, try to read his posts.