Climate Change Denial: Why?

- stopping deforestation
- polluting the oceans and water tables
- polluting potable water sources
- dumping toxins into the soils
- reducing our garbage output
- finding a way to properly dispose of our garbage output
- killing animals to the point of near extinction
- demanding the development of clean self-sustainable energy
- putting a stop to corporate corruption of overstepping environmental regulations
- getting off of the fossil fuel nipple
- stop using planet decimating radioactive nuclear fission to boil water to spin a turbine

etc etc


These are things we humans need to be concerning ourselves with and mitigating.... NOT whether the global mean temperature has fluctuated 0.1% of a degree in the past 18 months.

Jumping up and down on a soapbox about global mean temperature fluctuation is not going to magically mitigate all the other more important issues at hand.



Simply put:

We need to stop sh***ing in our nest.

Period.

It seems, or is actually, that people who try and live off the grid, and live "green" get punished by the very gov who says they need to stop using so much energy, or this or that. People who set up solar power in their homes, get punished for it. Try living "green" and see how fast CPS takes your kids away.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Jonjonj

Can you please address the overall topic? Yes, tornado activity fluctuates. So does earthquake activity.

But why do you insist that humans are not having any impact? Because - you are looking at like, five minutes ago on the cosmic scale. If you start with a weak patient, you're glad to see breathing and consciousness.

Can you address the graphs he posted about the apparent cyclical nature of Tornadoes and overall decline of violent storms?

Can you please debunk these records, which arent falsified? I have not seen you post any data to back up your claim for Anthropological Climate Change, just dismiss everyone that has responded.

No offense, just dropped into this thread and noticed you havnt posted any data, just biased opinions.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Okay, I'll look at all of your sources.

The point remains - everyone seems to agree that the climate IS INDEED changing. Good.

So now, the question is (instead):

If you believe the climate is, in fact changing, why do you think it's okay for humans to ignore it?

Why is it fine if we do not do what we can to mitigate it, to reduce the potential harm it is sure to cause if we do nothing?

Here, again, is a "multiple choice" chart to make it easier for members to respond.

Here are some examples of answers that mean something (updated):

Money
Conspiracy
Indifference
Not my problem
I don't care
It's a stupid myth
Nothing we can do
I give up
People pick on non-deniers
Science is stupid
I like sweltering heat and floods
I hope everyone dies except me
Satan is doing this
Humans are innocent of this
Don't blame me
Oh well, what's one more mine?
I dump waste into the rivers
I dump waste into the oceans
I don't care about wildlife
Fish are stupid
What difference would it make?
Alex Jones said so
It snowed in May
It's too late
You can't do anything to help
Stupid ocean is stupid who cares?
Coral reefs are fakers

Yes - I live in tornado alley. Have done for 50 years. THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

I have often wondered why someone would chose to live in Tornado alley ,or why so many people would live on the west coast where they say its not of a matter if but when the next big one hits . Also there are some scared about sea level rise but chose to live at the ocean . In Canada we have what is known as snow birds and they head south to get away from the cold winters and there are people in the south that chose to live up here to get away from the heat . Being mobile seems to be something we can do to mitigate our personal preferences . I put more insulation in my house to help bring the heat bill down . There are lots of choices we can make . You choosing to live where you do doesn't mean you deny tornado's and people living with climate is the same deal .

The biggest problem is that we can't even agree if the Temperature is rising or not and if we can have a meaningful conversation about it. Sea level rise, increased storm severity is a pressing issue to millions of people.

a reply to: Bennyzilla

LOL!!! Really?

That's hilarious.
Check my thread history. I'm not the one who doesn't know.......

a reply to: CranialSponge

Another $64,000 answer!

As Americans "debate" "climate change", China is doing something to curb its pollution, although as a Chinese said, "Legislation is better; enforcement is still weak".

What is China doing to tackle its air pollution?

In 2008 the air quality data was considered a state secret. The government was in a denial stage for years until 2013 when those huge episodes happened, and then they started to say 'This is real now'. Because of [prioritising] economic interest over public health interest, the way they implement the existing air quality regulations is very inefficient.

National Air Pollution Action Plan. At the core of that is a scheme to cut back coal use in the big metropolitan regions.

As it continues to "debate" "climate change", the United Sates will lose out to China as a country that can live in a sustainable way. America will not keep up with China (or India or...) in developing and using alternative energy. The USA will become a third world country in terms of its inability to address pollution and natural resources and alternative energy.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

I didn't "choose" it. I was brought here by my parents when I was a first-grader.
I had no say so.

First was Wichita () then was Lawrence (:ham now is KC Metro.....

always, though - liberal pro-education, pro-literacy portion

originally posted by: CranialSponge
- stopping deforestation
- polluting the oceans and water tables
- polluting potable water sources
- dumping toxins into the soils
- reducing our garbage output
- finding a way to properly dispose of our garbage output
- killing animals to the point of near extinction
- demanding the development of clean self-sustainable energy
- putting a stop to corporate corruption of overstepping environmental regulations
- getting off of the fossil fuel nipple
- stop using planet decimating radioactive nuclear fission to boil water to spin a turbine

etc etc


These are things we humans need to be concerning ourselves with and mitigating.... NOT whether the global mean temperature has fluctuated 0.1% of a degree in the past 18 months.

Jumping up and down on a soapbox about global mean temperature fluctuation is not going to magically mitigate all the other more important issues at hand.



Simply put:

We need to stop sh***ing in our nest.

Period.

Agreed.

As a codicil how about we actually enforce the rules rather than running to congress, parliament, or whatever representation we have, to change it for corporate benefits?

a reply to: Butterfinger

Okay, hold on. I'll link to the thread that has all the science stuff linked......

Climate Change Denial, Anyone?

Sorry. Should have linked to that earlier.

a reply to: desert

"Legislation is better; enforcement is still weak".

A fundamental point.

Nothing more to add really.

Except for:

Unbiased scientific evidence is good. Biased, industry based and profit maintaining evidence should at least be checked.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I didn't "choose" it. I was brought here by my parents when I was a first-grader. I had no say so.

But you were not a child for 50 years of your time there . I noticed up thread that tornados seem to be on the decrease as of late so not all climate change is a bad thing . If the north wars a little more then they will be able to grow their own food locally so it depends on how you look at the changes that have happened and will probably continue to happen .

My Government listened to the prediction that more rain will fall as the climate change, they started upgrading the severs in almost the entire country of Denmark 10 years ago to cope with the increased rain.

That was a smart move to avoid flooding's, because today one front of torrential rainfall after the other is bombarding the country, every summer since 10 years ago has become worse and worse.

This summer has been warm but wet, with constant warnings of severe weather in the form of massive thunderstorms covering the whole country, localized thunder storms belongs to the past.

Not to mention that we have no winter anymore, i haven't seen snow in years, we used to have frozen sea, i know because i have sailed for twenty years in the northern hemisphere, with a constant battle with sea ice in winter time, today we can't even skate on the lakes as they do not freeze over.

Scandinavia has very clearly gotten warmer

A couple of questions:

1) What is the optimal temperature of the world? To be upset about climate change it means you have to believe there is some static perfect global temperature. I've yet to hear what this temperature is...

2) Who is to say climate change is bad? If the earth is warming, wouldn't that be a good thing in may areas? Crops could be more bountiful and areas that were once not good for growing produce might be able to produce their own food?

3) Being in Chicago, I LOVE global warming. The last couple of winters have been pretty mild. Actually makes living here tolerable.

a reply to: desert

I know right ?!

People are jumping up and down on their soapboxes arguing about 0.1 degree of global mean temperature change last year and a 1mm of global mean ocean level change.

Meanwhile...

We're dumping millions upon millions of gallons of toxins into our waterways and oceans, forests are disappearing, animals are dropping out of the skies, and cancer has increased an estimated 500% over the last two decades.



There's only one thing I can say about this fluster cuck:

Seriously, WTF people ??!!

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

So, everyone - can you answer the question "Why?" from the title in one word?

Kyoto Protocol not profitable for American based big business yet.

Dang it! that's 10 words.
But any way, It's not happening. There, 3 words.

a reply to: Mianeye

I agree that northern Europe has changed, more rain if that were possible in Holland, Belgium, France and the UK.

My question would be: Is it because of human beings or is it because the planet has entered another cycle, thanks to a myriad of reasons.

It seems that we are actually entering another mini ice age, how does that even fit in to the whole idea of anthropomorphic climate change.

Hold on, there is a way, cos reasons.

We need to get a coat, 'cos the Sun has decided it's time to go cold.

Environmental issues and climate change are two different things.

The amount of waste and pollution we spew upon the Earth needs addressing.

Most of the Western countries have reduced their carbon output, it's not carbon to blame any longer, it's methane now.

Clean up the oceans, let us stop polluting our living spaces and let us engage with nature once more. But, let's forget that climate isn't a thing we are going to have an influence on, especially with other influences in the infinite universe.

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: desert

I know right ?!

People are jumping up and down on their soapboxes arguing about 0.1 degree of global mean temperature change last year and a 1mm of global mean ocean level change.

Meanwhile...

We're dumping millions upon millions of gallons of toxins into our waterways and oceans, forests are disappearing, animals are dropping out of the skies, and cancer has increased an estimated 500% over the last two decades.



There's only one thing I can say about this fluster cuck:

Seriously, WTF people ??!!

But we can focus and work on many things at once, as humans. I'm typing on ATS as I download some software and print some papers. I'm doing all three things at once. Then next week I have to focus on getting my children ready for school, getting my truck repaired, my business, my wife, my sons birthday etc.

We can focus on Climate change and all the other problems at the same time.

The good thing is that hey are all interconnected. Clean energy means less fracking means less pollution means less asthma means healthier children means more outdoor play means less electronic devices etc etc etc.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Boils down to: it's the economy, stupid! (pun intended)

The 10 warmest years in the instrumental record, with the exception of 1998, have now occurred since 2000.

NASA, NOAA Find 2014 Warmest Year in Modern Record

Lot's of paid flat earthlings have issues with cheap and plain facts since 9/11, you're not entertained? Why?

Quite the funny thread though, let's blaim Nibiru now! And don't forget to never ever mention the glory of industrialisation...