Goldman Sachs is sponsoring a Scientology-based jail ‘re-education’ program

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: Mystery_Lady

I think it was meant to be a sort of reformatory school sort of programming... you know like military ones where every single matter in ones life is controlled until te person is broken or fractured... and in that split is where the mind control or molding comes into real play. Such programs dont want people to think though they want mind controlled robots to perform specific tasks or when one says jumps tey arent gonna ask or question how high... as that was already programmed in there, so it becomes do as soon as told.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven of another form of MKULTRA stuff hijacked by the government types and used for whatever purpose. Didn't POTUS just have bunches of people released from jail recently? Wonder if they've been programmed to be good little kids or sleepers to do some dirty work for the GMan.

originally posted by: SpecialSauce
a reply to: TerryDon79

No man, not an insult, shemales and transexuals and transgenders are people. You know if you googled Jesus and perfume you will find he wore perfume in 2 different passages? He also kissed Judas. A guy who wears perfume and kisses another man may not be what your ideal man would be but other people would swear he's the son of God and that is beautiful. One of my best friend's names is Terry.

You apparently missed the culture in which Mediterranean types kiss people on either cheek as a sign of friendship and family..... but some people see it only as a sexual expression.

Cheek kissing is a ritual or social kissing gesture to indicate friendship, perform a greeting, to confer congratulations, to comfort someone, to show respect, or to indicate sexual or romantic interest. Double Cheek Kissing in the Italian families is a ritual of "I have your back and you have mine", it's the holy Grail of ultimate loyalty. Then when approaching the head of the family a Double kissed on the cheek starting with the right side, and then it was custom to kiss the hand and the ring. Starting the double kiss on the left was considered the Judas Kiss.

Cheek kissing is very common in Southern, Central and Eastern Europe, the Mediterranean, the Middle East, the Horn of Africa and Latin America. It is not as common in English-speaking Canada and the United States, Asia and Northern Europe. However, there are some exceptions in the United States and Canada, including ethnic enclaves, such as Italian, French, or Hispanic neighborhoods, as well as, Quebec, Louisiana and Miami.

en.wikipedia.org...
So ill thank you not to insult with this nonsense made up to make Jesus appear as SJW's from today would like to make him appear.
Thanks in advance

a reply to: stinkelbaum

the OP said the term conation was around in the 30s before the term ego. I googled and only "connotation" came up....

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Thats a bit reaching... but every belief system can turn into a ticking time bomb because it doesnt deal with reality in the first place. So people already twisted up in belief are easy to be sent over some edge once under someone power or control they allowed themselves to be lead are by the nose and programmed by.

Humans being herding sorts of animals is a given that some with a psychological edge for power or greed or control or all three over others will likely eventually corrupt instead of take extra responsibility to that seat or position they hold... even kings and queens past forget that the crown belongs to the throne and not them. If people are psuhed to far in the populous and no group is left unturned? Revolt is inevitable... peace makers and non separatists to help moderate such with reason become a very valuable asset in such times, unless of course thats what the agenda is. Seeing how an uprising in the US would lead to martial law 2.0 since we still havent really left it since civil war because inequality that was guaranteed still doesnt exist and theres the requirment of social programs to force it where people arent just genocided... it shows the government isnt as nefarious as people think.

They are us just typically a lot richer and because of that position used for influence by the very industries that allow us a living... its all symbiotic and catch 22 its a food chain none can exist without the other without a slow change or else shtf if one falls out... corporations going hey everyone slave labor and resources over here... has of course caused us a huge falling out, and tptb bailing banks is the only reason we havent drowned... if it wasnt for foriegn companies coming in that weve helped or liberated wed have been dead in the water.

Of course now that we are not really oil dependent we still have corporate dependency that tptb has to pander to in order to keep staying afloat... of course immigration can mean cheaper labor as 1st world crumbles a bit back to 2nd but that doesnt really do us any good so theres that fight to keep it out, yet that doesnt allow other corps to move in or invest except through bonds and selling out america on loan and proxy wars or selling weapons for big bucks to fill those gaps... of course privatizing isnt the answer as thats a grift of those already in large corporations that have hopped across borders... the best way to equalize all of this is too propaganda forgein workers to unionize and demand rights the way we did so these corporations cant fleece and force people around in a wheres all the slaves and resources at? Leaving the workers and resources of industry in their wake...

Its unsustainable with all the bigotry, it was foriegn interests and melting pot that formed this country and thats exactly what will save it. So asking corporations to come in and lowering the bar so they can do so and tracking out the tax shelters loop holes and off shore accounts that have been robbing us blind and breaking up conglomerates is the way to balance... yet being corporate dependent we are kinda rock and a hard place... of course easing small business is the way to go as they can cause competition and ease the services away from those large we dont effing care about anything but the bottom line.

Thats just how it all is right now... the corps have screwed us and yet we are dependent on them until we can shift to something so it all doesnt implode, the corps bailing on us has been the problem bailing them is the incentive to keep them not yeah lets screw the people... although some do feel that way hanging out in someones pocket and of course there has been much in the way of trying to root all of that out if people have bothered to look at more than the dance the divide that triggers ones ire.

Thats the situation as clearly as I can state it... theres no fantasy in it, so hey solutions are always good knowing where we stand... cause divided? Like the corps bailing on us unless we keep kissing their buts? It hasnt been easy staying afloat. But hey cant blame the government for trying to keep it together.

The cheapest way out of this is to balance nations so the corps have to pay living wages and meet quality standards of living and safety worldwide and actually care to do something other than strip mine and conglomerate into one huge untouchable totalitarian system country hoping without regard to human life in the process... so lay that bias and bigotry down and maybe this world family of umanity can get somewhere... not specifically you to whom im replying but if anyone reading this is fanning those flames... dude get some therapy talk to people to heal that ignorance cause we are all in or on this boat called earth.

Just read the book "Dianetics" written by Ron Hubbard. You don't have to belong to the organization. If enough education is provided, many prisoners would want to try it so that they don't have to come back to the prison after their have done their time. Many people do not know that they have horrible wounds in their souls. It is a way to clean up bad karma in there. It would be much much better than electroshock therapy at the least. Just do not pay the crooks in the organization. You can even do it yourself. The book says it is a "Repair Manual for Human Mind" like you have repair manual for your car. I think it is better than the Protestant Christian religion or the Roman Catholic Church in terms of healing your mind.

a reply to: groveacc

Transcendental Meditation > Dianetics Treatment

In prison and every aspect of life.

Dianetics is full of half-truths, pseudoscience, and blatant disinformation about the medical/scientific industries. There are many claims that Hubbard makes in Dianetics that have been debunked and proven scientifically false time and again over the course of Scientology's existence. But that doesn't stop people from continuing to believe in the great con.

He claims that he has discovered the "single source of mental derangement" (Hubbard 6). However, in a disclaimer on the frontispiece of the book, we are told that "Scientology and its sub-study, Dianetics, as practiced by the Church...does not wish to accept individuals who desire treatment of physical illness or insanity but refers these to qualified specialists of other organizations who deal in these matters." The disclaimer seems clearly to have been a protective mechanism against lawsuits for practicing medicine without a license; the author repeatedly insists that dianetics can cure just about anything that ails you. He also repeatedly insists that dianetics is a science. Yet, just about anyone familiar with scientific texts will be able to tell from the first few pages of Dianetics that the text is no scientific work and the author no scientist. Dianetics is a classic example of a pseudoscience.

There is other evidence that dianetics is not a science. For example, his theory of mind shares little in common with modern neurophysiology and what is known about the brain and how it works. According to Hubbard, the mind has three parts. "The analytical mind is that portion of the mind which perceives and retains experience data to compose and resolve problems and direct the organism along the four dynamics. It thinks in differences and similarities. The reactive mind is that portion of the mind which files and retains physical pain and painful emotion and seeks to direct the organism solely on a stimulus-response basis. It thinks only in identities. The somatic mind is that mind, which, directed by the analytical or reactive mind, places solutions into effect on the physical level" (Hubbard, 39).

skepdic.com...
tonyortega.org...
www.xenu.net...

The medical industry (psychiatric) claiming that they can heal people by drugs is much bigger lie and deception than scientology. It is an institutionalized and sanctioned rip off system. No matter what you do, you are duped and being ripped off so why don't you read it by yourself (I did) and test it. The common misconception of scientology is only half truth. No one wants to hear the positive side of it. I'm an outsider of the organization but I do not criticize the fundamental concept of Dianetics like parrots.
Just don't pay the crooks in the organization and do your own research. I bet Coldwisdom never read the book Dianetics.
In any decision making based on public information, make sure to listen to both side of their story. The MSM is using this tendency that people are lazy and do not research the information they hears on their own to brainwash people. If both sides story is not available dig it out yourself. Sometimes, the opposite side gets tired of defending or runs out of resources to defend themselves in public because it cost money to do that. But that doesn't mean the truth is not out there.

a reply to: groveacc

There's plenty of evidence to support that Scientology is nothing but a group of con artists, murderers, rapists, pseudoscience pushers and a whole list of other things.

I'm sure you'd be on Mansons side too.

originally posted by: SpecialSauce
a reply to: ColdWisdom

You're just spewing religious hate. They can use their money how they want to, they don't require your permission. What experience do you have in rehabilitation? What makes you the expert, because you read an article and parrot it as fact?

Lmao, how can you defend this nonsense? I've been in many rehab programs for drug use and met people who had been through this back asswards program/scientology programs like it. They are absolutely horrendous and have zero place in our modern society. You're ignorance astounds me, it seems impossible any level headed person could defend this.

a reply to: groveacc

I have read Dianetics. I have the .pdf on my computer.

There is no cure for plugged eared idiots. Read the book Dianetics. Not all the scientologists are bad people. Bible may contain many a good stories of morality but the book created Jesuits and Roman Catholics, killing many innocent women, children, and scholars etc. They committed diabolical crimes against humanity. So there you go..

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Thanks for posting.

I'm generally against the entire "mental health" industry, the world's getting crazier, not saner.

Our whole system is screwed, primarily because lunatics run the asylum.

originally posted by: groveacc
Read the book Dianetics.

I read it.

I regretted buying it, it was complete gibberish.

a reply to: groveacc

A book created by a fraudster and a conman to do nothing but make money.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Very interesting read, thanks !

It really makes me wonder what other cartels is scientology in bed with... and just how far does their monetary influence truly expand ?!

Scary thoughts indeed.

Woah!

It's like a bizaare twist on er hybrid of Masonic Degrees + 12 Step Program + Lord Zenu!

Scientology... they have all these anti-Psychiatry arguments, many of which have enormous merit (its brutal history, its perpetration of drugs, etc, etc)...

The irony is it itself is but 'psychiatry' in disguise.

Damninit, I thought i had made a a thread about his a long time ago, with major data to support my assertion here, but I guess I was posting in anothers' thread. Was going to link it in.

Anyways just analyze a standard Scientology "Personality Test", its hardly different than any standard Psychiatric "Mental Health Assessment Test". There's simply no getting around this fact, so right out the gates its hypocrisy at best.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

What utter rubbish.

Their "personality test" is NOTHING like a mental health assessment.

As for the rest, see my first sentence.

Skip forward to 2:40. I highly recommend this film (just put a little extra salt on the popcorn)!

There's a lot of truth in this Scientology backed piece. It doesn't promote Scientology directly. I have no love for Scientology.

Love the editing / effects of it lol. I never got around to checking into all of its statistics, but they probably aren't toooo far off. A most brutal presentation, although considering the subject matter I'd say the director rose to the challenge (albeit a bit too dark by most documentary standards).

Now after all that, Scientology is little different except for maybe the psychotropic drugs angle. What a sinister world when the 'alternative' to a dark scheme is them!


Anyways, there IS a LOT of truth in this film (the historical aspects very important info).

edit on 11-6-2016 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)

a reply to: TerryDon79

You think they dont have some methodology behind that test to use that data to assess people, to then use it for desired calculated outcomes?

Now granted, their use of that data will be much different, but yet same crap different package.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
There's plenty of evidence to support that Scientology is nothing but a group of con artists, murderers, rapists, pseudoscience pushers and a whole list of other things.

Right! Con men using psychiatric techniques against their marks to trap them for life.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Anyways just analyze a standard Scientology "Personality Test", its hardly different than any standard Psychiatric "Mental Health Assessment Test". There's simply no getting around this fact, so right out the gates its hypocrisy at best.

You should find this interesting.

Scientology's Personality test aka Oxford Capacity Analysis (OCA)

The staple of modern Scientology recruitment is the Personality Test, or to give it its more formal name, the Oxford Capacity Analysis (OCA). It also appears sometimes to be (or to have been) referred to as the American Personality Analysis or APA.
The OCA has been used as a recruiting tool by Scientology since 1953. What Is Scientology? (1992 edition) says of the test:

"This test accurately measures the preclear's estimation of ten different personality traits. These rise markedly in auditing, reflecting the preclear's gains. Preclears report being calmer, more stable, more energetic and more outgoing as a direct result of auditing and scores on the OCA furnish corroborative data.

A vital tool in Expanded Dianetics is the Oxford Capacity Analysis. An important use of this profile is to inprove specific personality traits with Expanded Dianetics procedures. The OCA helps locate deep-seated pockets of aberration which can then be addressed and erased with these precise auditing techniques."

An example of some of the questions that appear on the test:

The questions on the OCA sheet are strangely reminiscent of the "Security Checks" which Scientologists have to do and, in several instances, share the oddity and leading nature of Security Check questions; it is not impossible (though probably unprovable) that Sec. Checks developed from the OCA:

3. Do you browse through railway timetables, directories or dictionaries just for pleasure?
6. Do you get occasional twitches of your muscles, when there is no logical reason for it?
30. Do you enjoy telling people latest scandal [sic] about your associates?
59. Do you consider the modern prisons without bars system "doomed to failure"?
105. Do you rarely suspect the actions of others?
124. Do you often make tactless blunders?

So it's hardly similar to any standard Psychiatric Mental Health Assessment.