High School Boy Wins All-State Honors In Girls Track And Field

a reply to: Annee

It's simple.

If you were walking down a dark ally at night and a group of gang bangers approached you, would you want a strong, strapping male next to you or a woman?

The answer is obviously a strong, strapping male and it's pure logic, has nothing to do with sexism.

And women biologically are attracted to men who can keep them safe, protect them. It's one of the most basic differences between the sexes.

So a soldier on the front line more often than not is going to want a guy next to him.

originally posted by: NthOther

So you're ok with boys hitting girls as long as the guy is a total pussy?

Wrong message to send, man.

It's voluntary, man. Nobody is forcing any individual to participate. We're just not denying anyone the opportunity to play in the arena they want to, by using criteria that is irrelevant to the sport.

The whole idea of discrimination, is we imposing restrictions on individuals due to factors that have nothing to do with the activities involved. We paste blanket qualifications based on things like race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, national origin, or whatever, and use these irrelevant things to limit peoples freedoms to express themselves the way they want.

Why shouldn't a woman lead the platoon into battle?

Yea, we know many girls can't do the job. But, what of those who can? Are we to deny them the opportunity to lead just because "other" girls can't hack it?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Brotherman

I feel the same way about combat units training to fight in wars but others here have called me a misogynist and a bigot for saying what I think and feel being a former infantryman and trainer/ warfighter in other capacities within the USMC and other organizations.

Why shouldn't it be the woman's choice?

If a woman wants to do it and can pass the training, why deny her?

I do not like men making rules for women.

There is not enough woman wanting combat roles to even make up a whole infantry battalion, why should the minority change the majority if warfare in and of itself evolved this way out of 1000's of years of human evolution? Because some woman think they can do it? What about the 100's of men per woman, how do you think they feel about it? In previous wars usually all the men to a losing army were killed and the woman and kids made slaves, they had reasons for this as well. Not all countries and warfighters agree with the progressive agenda's, ask the ladies captured and held by islamic extremists in afghanastan, Iran, Iraq, and Pakistan some of them were just tourists or reporters. American men do not usually stand up for these practices yet they are still apparent in modern warfare yet the glaze of saying oh well there are whole units blah blah blah, I think it is all BS. Having a woman in a unit changes things for the guys an awful lot.

originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: Annee

Yeah sorry its Effed up the link doesn't work, I own a copy of the book

Looks like an awesome book.

It is a bit old for this subject though.

I am not the one that cites it in all these studies either, besides if Trans-genderism is supposed to be so apparent in all of human history I am not sure the date in which science apparently discovered it should matter much.

That there is history is good.

But, new science, new psychology, new medical specialists - - - are fairly recent. The Swedish report many refer to has been corrected, updated, overhauled and being released this year 2016.

Children as young as 3 are expressing their gender difference.

Hormone blockers are now recommended to begin much earlier.

There is also recommendations that hormone therapy begin earlier then legal adult age.

originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Brotherman

I feel the same way about combat units training to fight in wars but others here have called me a misogynist and a bigot for saying what I think and feel being a former infantryman and trainer/ warfighter in other capacities within the USMC and other organizations.

Why shouldn't it be the woman's choice?

If a woman wants to do it and can pass the training, why deny her?

I do not like men making rules for women.

There is not enough woman wanting combat roles to even make up a whole infantry battalion, why should the minority change the majority if warfare in and of itself evolved this way out of 1000's of years of human evolution? Because some woman think they can do it? What about the 100's of men per woman, how do you think they feel about it? In previous wars usually all the men to a losing army were killed and the woman and kids made slaves, they had reasons for this as well. Not all countries and warfighters agree with the progressive agenda's, ask the ladies captured and held by islamic extremists in afghanastan, Iran, Iraq, and Pakistan some of them were just tourists or reporters. American men do not usually stand up for these practices yet they are still apparent in modern warfare yet the glaze of saying oh well there are whole units blah blah blah, I think it is all BS. Having a woman in a unit changes things for the guys an awful lot.

I am aware of these things.

So women and men in war still have to be segregated?

I'm supposed to ask men how they feel about it?

That's it - - too far from OP.

a reply to: NthOther

What I'm wondering is why it's not ok to hit a woman but it is ok to hit a man???

Even more strange is that even if it's wimpy man and a big tough woman it's still not ok??

Shouldn't it just be wrong to hit anyone??? Male or female???

Is it less wrong for a Female to hit a man than it is for a man to hit a man???

What about a Female hitting a Female???

Why is ok sometimes but not other times based on nothing more than the genitals of the person being hit??

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Brotherman

I feel the same way about combat units training to fight in wars but others here have called me a misogynist and a bigot for saying what I think and feel being a former infantryman and trainer/ warfighter in other capacities within the USMC and other organizations.

Why shouldn't it be the woman's choice?

If a woman wants to do it and can pass the training, why deny her?

I do not like men making rules for women.

There is not enough woman wanting combat roles to even make up a whole infantry battalion, why should the minority change the majority if warfare in and of itself evolved this way out of 1000's of years of human evolution? Because some woman think they can do it? What about the 100's of men per woman, how do you think they feel about it? In previous wars usually all the men to a losing army were killed and the woman and kids made slaves, they had reasons for this as well. Not all countries and warfighters agree with the progressive agenda's, ask the ladies captured and held by islamic extremists in afghanastan, Iran, Iraq, and Pakistan some of them were just tourists or reporters. American men do not usually stand up for these practices yet they are still apparent in modern warfare yet the glaze of saying oh well there are whole units blah blah blah, I think it is all BS. Having a woman in a unit changes things for the guys an awful lot.

I am aware of these things.

So women and men in war still have to be segregated?

I'm supposed to ask men how they feel about it?

That's it - - too far from OP.

I have half a life time of experience in these matters and it is hard to put aside so I regress and will no longer post in this thread. I have more then illustrated my point in the idea of facts and truth involving trans CHILDREN competing and can no longer express my concerns as how it will eventually pertain to both adulthood and military service.

I will leave this though, not all people are equal, we all have differing skills, abilities, and talents. These three categories can be augmented by leadership of expertise, character, and paid for education, constant training, or sheer will of interest or necessity.
Being born with a penis does not and will not ever mean a man with a penis can feel like a woman with a vagina no matter how many drugs or nurturing you can give them, no matter what you do to these kids they will always have man hips, muscle and skeletal remnants.
In a thousand years when an anthropologist digs them up they will be identified as a dead male corpse. I feel very strongly because I identify as a male that believes in woman as beautiful and very opposite as me, I identify this way because of things like their smaller hands, and how their feelings differ very much then my own, I feel very different about this idea.

a reply to: Profusion

Wangyot — who immigrated from Thailand in 2014

Anyone who has been to Thailand knows that Ladyboys can run like the wind, getting their practice from disappointed sailors and malfunctioning ATM machines.

This ladyboy however, is not one who can run like the wind if other teenage girls can run faster so I fail to see why she is deserved of an All-State Honor.

Personally, a male individual identifying as a female does not automatically constitute being given a reprieve from competing in sporting activities against the same biological gender.

But, I'll tell you what would be a lot more newsworthy - if she won the All-State honors by competing against boys

As an accomplished male college athlete (football and track and field), I have one point to make. No matter how one "identifies" a REAL athlete wants to face the absolute BEST competition to IMPROVE upon their own physical/mental abilities. It appears that the mentioned "athlete" in the OP is nothing but an opportunist looking to be trophied for being the DEFINITION of a LOSER. I mean seriously?? It's simply absurd. Probably only clinched bronze by the tip of his shenis. Gtf out of here!!

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: mOjOm

Maybe we should treat it like professional combat.

Sports?

Lost your damn mind.

A life-threatening situation is the only instance wherein it might be acceptable for a man to hit a woman.

And yes, this even applies to the most wussified sissy of a man doing it to the most butch and homely woman.

There are some things that no amount of gender bending will ever make ok.

Hitting women is one of them.

I thought this was a pretty universally accepted principle, but then again I thought opposition to pedophilia was too. Boy was I wrong.

Wow, bringing up the same stupid old pedophilia argument.

Who was it molesting all those little boys? Oh that's right, people calling themselves Christians.

If there was added an "open" class, it would become obsolete, except for a few freaks.

originally posted by: Brotherman
a reply to: Annee

Some of the things I have read in regards to gender dysphoria are in deep conflict sometimes with one another, I do not always conclude because a psychologist says so as fact especially when the research is apparently cited in many cases as "case by case" basis.

I often find this Book cited in regards to apparently "well known" cases of this "gender identity" issue yet can't find the parts of it that are so relevant to the supposed "well known" throughout history cases of the phenomenon, also alot of this research I find is only really discussed much in the early of the 2000's and before which this over whelming research is not very easy to find in either the library or the internet as a source of hard science in both anthropology and sociology.

Most of the accumulated scientific research done prior to WW II was destroyed by the Nazis with the burning of the Magnus Hirschfeld Institute in 1933 so there was a lot of starting over to be done. Socially and culturally, for the most part, trans people and lives have been erased from history (written by men) and that's one of the reasons it seems like some sort of recent development. Incidentally, the DSM-IV was updated several years ago. The DSM-V is the current version and Gender Identity Disorder has been de-pathologized and now how its own separate section called Gender Dysphoria.

I do appreciate your curiosity and interest in learning. Here are a few links where you may gain further cultural and historical perspectives?

24 Transgender Historical Figures

Transgender History: Trans Expression in Ancient Times

Tracking Transgender: The Historical Truth

Transgender Identities in an Age of Globalization and Colonization

Sex-Gender Diversity: A Cross Cultural Perspective

Sociology of Gender

And below these are the sources:...

I think it is awesome you have done your own research but as noted, the DSM-IV has been deprecated and Gender Identity Disorder is no longer a diagnosis. Your source citing Zucker & Bradley I'm going to totally toss as discredited as their Canadian clinic practicing reparative therapy has been shut down and Zucker run out of town on a rail.

It is easy to spend days Googling and finding research on either side of the aisle. What is important to consider in the overall picture though is the hundreds of thousands that have benefited by transition and appropriate medical care. It is one thing to read about it - it is another to know of the actual people and their lives and humanity.

Here are a couple links with literally hundreds of research articles on this subject.

Reference list of scientific articles and studies (2014 and newer) (180 items)

Reference list of scientific articles and studies (2013 and older) (184 items)

Transsexual and Intersex Research

I think that that the whole gender identity thing may effect some people truly, but mostly I think this is an issue of nurture rather then nature.

For your consideration:

BU researchers find biological basis for transgender identity

Is There Something Unique about the Transgender Brain?

Transgender: Evidence on the biological nature of gender identity

I did look into this 2016 "issue" because someone a member here actually Freija has always been very nice to me and supportive of my art work and in a thread awhile ago I said something that may have offended this person, I was given information to look at to make a better opinion of the matter so I did look a little deeper, my stance has not changed much in regards to things I have said before in other threads... If anything reading more into it I am more confused then anything because as I was trying to state before, the academics and respective and relative sciences do not agree with one another.

No, I was not offended. You've actually also commented on my former user account's artwork as well. I will be soon sharing some of my airbrush work and digital compositions too if we ever get a break about talking about transgender outrage and if I don't get fed up with all the constant crap around here and block this site in my router. I would encourage you and ask that you please keep an open mind as the discussions of trans issues apparently isn't going to go away or die down anytime soon. I do have a lifetime of lived experience after myself having been trans as a child and adolescent and while I'm maybe not the most unbiased source in town, sometimes hearing things straight from the horse's mouth makes all the things you can look up in the Internet or through academic resources somewhat insignificant and sterile. (Did I just call myself a horse?)

Brotherman, before posting this I caught up with some of your comments in the rest of this thread and I honestly have to say I am disappointed and feel I've wasted my time and now I have to waste more of rebutting some of your statements. Oh eff it, nevermind. I've just about had my share of the ignorance, willful and otherwise around here and am on the verge of letting this website just wallow in its own disgusting ignorance and prejudice. It's really sad too because there are a few critical thinkers around here that aren't necessarily locked in their dogma, rhetoric and politically polarized bullsh!t that might actually have open minds and appreciate the some information and personal things I share here. It is very frustrating, horrendously time consuming and at times I feel my efforts to help educate and inform are for naught.

If it weren't for my passion to bring understanding and awareness to the lives and issues of transgender children and their families, I would have never returned. I question more and more why I did and if it is worth my time away from other things in my life to continue my advocacy here. I'm sure not being a constant presence in these threads would be appreciated by some so they can devolve into festering boils of hate and ignorance which is the direction I've seen this place move toward in the 9 years I've been here. That makes me sad and some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

a reply to: Freija

A question for you in regards to perspective to the subject of the thread. Do you believe that the born male athlete mentioned in the OP, identifying currently as a woman, should be both competing and receiving acclomades in womens sporting competitions? I ask because I often wonder if members of the LGBT community are aware that people outside of the LGBT community, such as myself identifying as a straight white middle class biologically born and proud male, are attempting to make sense of these modulated generational "norms".

a reply to: kngfc

I'm giving you a star for asking a person with real knowledge, a real question.

Freija is a wealth of knowledge on transgender, and rarely gets asked a real question.

Sick people with badly wired brains changing the landscape for the majority. Simple as that. Just because some want to celebrate mental illness doesn't make it less of an illness. Pretend it's the norm all you want bit rational thinking says otherwise.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: DupontDeux

I'd tell the girls that finished after HER, that her being born with a penis didn't stop girls born with vaginas from beating her.

Then let's remove Boys and Girls and just have Field and Track.

Lets remove the BOYS from GIRLS Track and Field. Doesn't matter how they feel. They can't argue with genetics.

After all thats why there was TWO of them to begin with.

Or was it the BOY knew he couldn't compete with HIS fellow males, and decided to run GIRLS because it was easier?

I don't know.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Profusion

She came in 5th and 3rd so obviously faces competition despite being born with a penis.

Just stop with the theatre. It is a HE. He still has his penis. And he is not Transgender either if he still has his penis. Trans as in tranitioned to . If he was born with a penis and still has a penis he never Transitioned to anything.

a reply to: ketsuko

We separate men's and women's sports not because of gender identity but because of physical, biological differences.

You mean like heavyweight, middle weight and lightweight?

Should really big girls be allowed to compete against tiny girls just because they're all girls?

I think this is interesting - and funny

originally posted by: everyone

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Profusion

She came in 5th and 3rd so obviously faces competition despite being born with a penis.

Just stop with the theatre. It is a HE. He still has his penis. And he is not Transgender either if he still has his penis. Trans as in tranitioned to . If he was born with a penis and still has a penis he never Transitioned to anything.

Gender Dysphoria (transgender) is brain male or female gender, physical body opposite.

Most transgenders do not have reassignment surgery.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: NthOther

What I'm wondering is why it's not ok to hit a woman but it is ok to hit a man???

Even more strange is that even if it's wimpy man and a big tough woman it's still not ok??

Shouldn't it just be wrong to hit anyone??? Male or female???

Is it less wrong for a Female to hit a man than it is for a man to hit a man???

What about a Female hitting a Female???

Why is ok sometimes but not other times based on nothing more than the genitals of the person being hit??

Ask the feminists and they will tell you:

Because.