WA Schools to Teach Gender Identity Curriculum to Kindergarteners

Yes, we all know that fact-checking and finding the truth is a leftist plot.

Well, actually, you know, it just might be at that.

Another reason I am a leftist.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Recruitment??? Really?

So, if we teach kids about math, we're trying to turn them into accountants?

This isn't about teaching math. it's about telling kids that basic biology is somehow irrelevant, and encouraging confusion and mental disorders.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Sometimes, what passes for logic here is stupefying.

I quite agree. So far in this thread, I have seen people admit that parents can teach their kids in far less time than the schools, and then turn around and state that children should be removed for not teaching them what that person believes is needed. I have seen someone claim that the cute little comment in Kindergarten Cop isn't accurate; that boys don't have a penis and girls don't have a vagina, and I have seen others, including someone who admits to believing the are the opposite sex, claim that all who disagree are just stupid, and hateful, and so forth. If that's what some call logic, they need a refresher course.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Gender identities exist. Discussing it in school might make someone, somewhere, sometime have a bit more informed conversation on the subject than we've seen here.

Yes, male and female. Anything else is a mental condition, and needs treatment, not enabling.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
The idea that knowing that different gender identities might make a kid different points to a fundamental ignorance about the way things are.

The idea of teaching anything sexual to children in kindergarten ought to be considered criminal. Children of that age need only know what parts are private, and to go into the proper restroom. No, there are NOT children who naturally think they are the opposite sex. Never saw anyone like that, ever. It's a very recent thing, pushed by "parents" who care more about an agenda than they do about their kids.

Then you get cases like that pair in Scotland, who killed that poor little boy, and abused him and his brother before that.

I am sure they were just "confused", though......

Speaking of fact checking:

Here is the actual Washington State Education Standards

Hint, it addresses a lot more than gender identity! Surprised?

Beyond that fact, consider that this is established by the State of Washington, and then consider that some of the detractors in this same thread are in every other case, calling for States Rights and local autonomy ...

EXCEPT, when they don't agree.

Check out the actual document if you're interested. As usual, it's being grossly misrepresented.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

This isn't about teaching math. it's about telling kids that basic biology is somehow irrelevant, and encouraging confusion and mental disorders.

Except ... that's not what's being taught in the Washington educational system; see my post above.

The irrelevancies and misrepresentations of the remainder of your post speak for themselves.

So, you're for State's Rights until you disagree with them, eh? You don't find that a bit hypocritical?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

This isn't about teaching math. it's about telling kids that basic biology is somehow irrelevant, and encouraging confusion and mental disorders.

Except ... that's not what's being taught in the Washington educational system; see my post above.

That's not ALL that is being taught, but that IS being taught.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
The irrelevancies and misrepresentations of the remainder of your post speak for themselves.

So, you're for State's Rights until you disagree with them, eh? You don't find that a bit hypocritical?

Your claims that because other material is included, no one should worry are not valid.

There is a huge difference between states' rights and the State controlling people's children, and indoctrinating them.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Yes, we all know the paranoid reasons for getting rid of public education that passes for reality in the spheres of wingnuttery.
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And there you have it folks. All you need to do to make a socialist/Marxist tell you the truth is get them angry, they will immediately drop all euphemism and doublespeak and tell you exactly what they want... For the State to control all education, in this case.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Your claim that teaching kids that gender and gender identities exist is equivalent to teaching them "that basic biology is somehow irrelevant, and encouraging confusion and mental disorders" is a blatant lie.

And that's because, your superstitious beliefs about gender and gender identities are disputed by modern medicine and ever-growing legal precedent.

Your way of thinking is becoming a relic, and the people of Washington have the right to determine their educational standards.

Or are you against States' Rights now?

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

He will never budge. Even when it comes directly from the horse's mouth he will claim "it is only paranoia from the right"...

Americans Warned: Home Schoolers Stripped of Rights

BERLIN -- Recently, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has said that home schooling is not a parent's right. It is a statement some are saying should frighten American parents.

Nations like Germany and Sweden show that when governments take away home schooling rights, it's a slippery slope to no parental rights.

America the Refuge or Not

The Romeike family came to the United States from Germany five years ago hoping to find refuge. They wanted to home-school their children in freedom and a federal judge granted them asylum.

But now the Obama administration has been trying to deport them, arguing that home schooling is not a right. The case is currently before a federal appeals court.
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www.cbn.com...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Yes, we all know the paranoid reasons for getting rid of public education that passes for reality in the spheres of wingnuttery.
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And there you have it folks. All you need to do to make a socialist/Marxist tell you the truth is get them angry, they will immediately drop all euphemism and doublespeak and tell you exactly what they want... For the State to control all education, in this case.

Oh my, you actually think you have an audience here ...

I'm sorry you are against State Rights', but in the United States, that is a well-established legal fact.

The people of Washington have the right to establish educational standards. What would you like to see happen?

Do you want the Federal government to intervene? Weren't you just trying to imply that was dangerous?

You failed miserably, because you like to post outdated information of course ... but still.

What power do you want to take over education in the State of Washington from the people who live there?

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I think this is a great idea and will maybe teach some kids that we should accept other people's differences and wishes.

Or maybe teach kids that their parents are no better than Westboro Church assholes........

a reply to: Gryphon66

I am making a difference between "state rights" and State rights"... One is about individual states making decisions, the second one is about the State, as in the Federal Government imposing it's will... But of course, you don't know the difference...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Christian Broadcasting Network ... now there's an unbiased source ... did you notice that they don't quote anything from what AG Holder or the Justice Department actually said?

... not to mention that you're still doubling down on the outdated Romeike family information that was just proven to be inaccurate?

LOL ... I think you better put that horse out to pasture ... his teeth are getting old and worn, and his breath is kinda bad.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Gryphon66

I am making a difference between "state rights" and State rights"... One is about individual states making decisions, the second one is about the State imposing it's will... But of course, you don't know the difference...

Because there's no difference.

These guidelines are set by the State of Washington by those that the people of Washington have elected to do so.

You want to inject the usual socialist/communist mumbo-jumbo into the matter, when that doesn't apply at all.

I hesitate to say "as usual." We've seen you here in the last few posts make statements that are bald-faced lies.

The picayune distinctions that exist in your own mind are your own problem.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

Christian Broadcasting Network ... now there's an unbiased source ... did you notice that they don't quote anything from what AG Holder or the Justice Department actually said?
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Hummm, really?...

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Eric Holder said home schooling is not a protected freedom. He said “There is no fundamental liberty to homeschool.” He added that as long as a government bans homeschooling broadly and equally, there is no violation of rights. This is a view which gives a nod to the principle of equal protection but which completely ignores the concept of fundamental, individual liberties.
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www.independentsentinel.com...

Of course, when the Obama administration received a backlash from parents all over the U.S. they backtracked. But if this case hadn't received so much attention the Obama administration would have gotten away with it.

Go on Gryphon, try to save your masters from what they themselves have said...

For anyone else who wants to educate themselves as to the actual position of Holder, here you have it.

www.ca6.uscourts.gov...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Are you actually starting to read your sources before you post them?

That might help with your credibility ... somewhat.

As your Sentinel article states, the Romeike's had their appeal turned away by the Supreme Court. Why?

Because their assertion that was the basis for their request for asylum was that they were being religiously oppressed in Germany. This had no basis in fact.

As to the Holder quote, he's right: there is no right to "homeschool." State laws and School districts certify that parents can provide education equal to what is offered publicly and homeschooling happens freely in the US.

But keep mumbling about masters and communism ... is the Illuminati next?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
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As your Sentinel article states, the Romeike's had their appeal turned away by the Supreme Court. Why?

Because their assertion that was the basis for their request for asylum was that they were being religiously oppressed in Germany. This had no basis in fact.
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No?... so imposing heavy fines and jail to parents that home school children is not persecution?....

It is also happening in other countries that are "embracing Marxism, I mean progressivism"...

Carlow mother of six released from Mountjoy after being jailed for not paying homeschooling fine
She was taken from her home this morning and did not resist arrest.
Sep 3rd 2014, 2:01 PM

She was taken from her home this morning and did not resist arrest.
Sep 3rd 2014, 2:01 PM

MONICA O’CONNOR WAS jailed for a time earlier today after she refused to pay a €2,000 fine relating to home schooling, she has now been released.

The mother of six from Tullow was taken from her home at around 7:20 this morning after both she and her husband, Eddie O’Neill, were found guilty of failing to register two of their children for home schooling.

It’s reported that the children were present this morning as their mother was taken away.
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www.thejournal.ie...

Hitler’s Ghost Haunts German Parents

From the desk of Alexandra Colen on Mon, 2005-08-01 23:35

Of all religious groups Baptists were among the most fiercely persecuted in the Soviet Union. They were not just Christians but they also distrusted the state, preaching an institutional secession from state-run institutions. Many Baptists belonged to the German-speaking minority in Southern Russia and Kazakhstan. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, they emigrated to Germany, the land where their forefathers had originally come from. Today, these Baptist immigrants from Russia, as well as the Low-German Mennonites, are being prosecuted in Germany because they are unhappy with what their children are learning in the German public schools, which they consider too secular. Children are not allowed to opt out of classes or school activities and homeschooling is illegal in Germany since Adolf Hitler outlawed it in 1938.

Last week, a court in Paderborn in the German state of Westphalia ruled that two Baptist couples lose their parental authority over their own children in educational matters. The court said it was interfering “in order to protect the children from further harm.” It stated that the parents had shown “a stubborn contempt both for the state’s educational duty as well as the right of their children to develop their personalities by attending school.” The court appointed the local Paderborn social service as guardian over the children to ensure that they attend public school.
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www.brusselsjournal.com...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I want you to concentrate ... just for a moment.

Where is your evidence that anyone in the United States is being jailed or fined for homeschooling?

I don't want to hear about Germany or The Netherlands ... I want to hear about the United States.

Go.

a reply to: Gryphon66

In case you didn't know the German government had been imposing fines to the Romeike family, among others, for homeschooling their children...

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The devoutly Christian Romeike family fled to the United States in 2008 from southwest Germany after the German government threatened them with legal action for homeschooling their children, which has been banned in Germany since 1918.

German families who choose to home school their children anyway face legal action including potential loss of custody of their children and fines. The family had racked up close to $9,000 in fines before moving to the United States, settling in Tennessee.
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abcnews.go.com...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Gryphon66

In case you didn't know the German government had been imposing fines to the Romeike family, among others, for homeschooling their children...

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The devoutly Christian Romeike family fled to the United States in 2008 from southwest Germany after the German government threatened them with legal action for homeschooling their children, which has been banned in Germany since 1918.

German families who choose to home school their children anyway face legal action including potential loss of custody of their children and fines. The family had racked up close to $9,000 in fines before moving to the United States, settling in Tennessee.
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abcnews.go.com...

Homeschooling has been illegal in Germany since 1918.

That still has nothing to do with what happens in the United States, nor in Washington state.

So, now, the US, parents fined and jailed for homeschooling ... go.

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

What exactly about this could screw kids up?

You don't think teaching boys it's ok to be girls and girls it's ok to be boys could screw them up in the head?

I don't even know what to say anymore. It's literal insanity.

You're a reptilian from another planet, aren't you?

Shouldn't that be taught in the home, anyway, like religion? lol.

I'd be pretty pissed off if my kid was being taught that gender BS.

It is pretty odd, that it seems like all this BS is coming out at once or is it just me?

Is someone making a move before Obama leaves office?